Freidman: don't expect Campbell to be back Leafs inital offer was 2.75 million per year

[ShaneFalco]

As a habs fan, I really don’t understand why leaf fans want to get rid of Jack.

You’re going to be a paying a goalie 4M (not including Mrazek) and I don’t see who else you can get for 4M who could be as good as Jack. If the leafs do not pay a goalie 4M (not including Mrazek), then there is a much bigger concern because you are probably rolling with a back up as your starter.

I’d do 4/4.5M for 4 years for Jack easily.

Then you have 8 mill tied up in injury prone fragile goalies.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Which one? You don't get to try them all in the playoffs and then choose one.

Good question .. my bet is Woll .. but you start with hot hand over last 10 games of regular season .. and you tell all 3 look boys "WIN and YOU STAY IN" .. da guy who really wants da net will get it done (next contract $$$ mean everything to hockey player) .. playoffs are not for p*ssies .. winners win losers lose .. and no coaching overrides

 

[Gary Nylund]

Good question .. my bet is Woll .. but you start with hot hand over last 10 games of regular season .. and you tell all 3 look boys "WIN and YOU STAY IN" .. da guy who really wants da net will get it done (next contract $$$ mean everything to hockey player) .. playoffs are not for p*ssies .. winners win losers lose .. and no coaching overrides

This throw the rookies in the fire approach isn't likely to work out well. I admire your optimism though.

Do you remember what happened that one time when the Leafs started the season with 3 rookie Dmen on the blueline? I do. Do you think 3 rookie goalies is likely to produce better results? Is it because you think there is less pressure on goalies?

 

[Morbo]

bottom line is the leafs needs to find a way not to have the second best goaltending every single time, regardless of what that level might be. Each year it's the same thing.

 

[BackPassChampions]

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Call me crazy, but I think they find common ground with Campbell and they get an extension done. And I also think Mrazek will be back, since there'll be no takers for a trade.

I might be one of the only fans who would be ok with that. I think Campbell can be a legit starter for a contender, and I think Mrazek has more to give than we saw this season.

You’re not the only one. There seems to be a large majority that are OK having him back.

It all comes down to the dollars.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

This throw the rookies in the fire approach isn't likely to work out well. I admire your optimism though.

Do you remember what happened that one time when the Leafs started the season with 3 rookie Dmen on the blueline? I do. Do you think 3 rookie goalies is likely to produce better results? Is it because you think there is less pressure on goalies?

Well Mrzak and Soup can't get it done .. so that's all we got .. da definition of insanity is playing same guys over and over and expecting a different result ... Woll is a big game hunter .. da bigger da game da more clutch he gets .. I would have thrown him into game 6 last year and maybe game 7 this year .. some guys just have it in them to perform their ultimate best under da brightest lights .. kinda like Fuhr a bit huge ego but decent weird sense of humor .. completely unlike Soup or Freddy who can't handle da lights and pressure

 

[Brobust]

bottom line is the leafs needs to find a way not to have the second best goaltending every single time, regardless of what that level might be. Each year it's the same thing.

5 of the 6 series were against Holtby, Rask, Price and Vasilevsky.

The leafs would have to make massive changes to their roster if they wanted an undoubtable top 5 goalie. It's not happening.

It's simpler to just figure out the power play.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

5 of the 6 series were against Holtby, Rask, Price and Vasilevsky.

The leafs would have to make massive changes to their roster if they wanted an undoubtable top 5 goalie. It's not happening.

It's simpler to just figure out the power play.

who cares who the goalies are? find a way not to have the 2nd best goalie

simple as that that's the issue

 

[Brobust]

who cares who the goalies are? find a way not to have the 2nd best goalie

simple as that that's the issue

My point is that the way to have the best goalie would be to acquire the best goalie, and that would mean paying a crap ton.

If the leafs PP wasn't so inept, the would have won the series despite having the 2nd best goalie.

Tell me, which is the cheaper and easier problem to address?

 

[Stephen]

My point is that the way to have the best goalie would be to acquire the best goalie, and that would mean paying a crap ton.

If the leafs PP wasn't so inept, the would have won the series despite having the 2nd best goalie.

Tell me, which is the cheaper and easier problem to address?

Maybe it's time the Leafs just pay a crap ton for an elite goalie who can be a strength for once? A strong goalie also gives the offense a boost by giving them more of a margin to make mistakes on the attack. In some ways I could see an argument made that a $6.5 million bluechip goalie is a much more impactful way to use the cap than $5 million on a quiet defensive defenseman like Brodie.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

My point is that the way to have the best goalie would be to acquire the best goalie, and that would mean paying a crap ton.

If the leafs PP wasn't so inept, the would have won the series despite having the 2nd best goalie.

Tell me, which is the cheaper and easier problem to address?

OR STOP cheaping out on goaltending because It's CLEARLY not working and have the guts to pay the price to get the best guy available.

 

[Brobust]

Maybe it's time the Leafs just pay a crap ton for an elite goalie who can be a strength for once? A strong goalie also gives the offense a boost by giving them more of a margin to make mistakes on the attack. In some ways I could see an argument made that a $6.5 million bluechip goalie is a much more impactful way to use the cap than $5 million on a quiet defensive defenseman like Brodie.

Who do you have in mind?

OR STOP cheaping out on goaltending because It's CLEARLY not working and have the guts to pay the price to get the best guy available.

How did this go from 'Campbell might be leaving, what are the other options' to 'goaltending will solve all our problems'?

By the way, Andersen was a top 10 goalie for 3 of the 5 seasons he was here. And Campbell has not been an issue in the playoffs.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Who do you have in mind?



How did this go from 'Campbell might be leaving, what are the other options' to 'goaltending will solve all our problems'?

By the way, Andersen was a top 10 goalie for 3 of the 5 seasons he was here. And Campbell has not been an issue in the playoffs.

Campbell is 0-5 in games when he can win a series because he doesn't have the guts to win

Campbell shit the bed in games 2, 4 and 6

Campbell had an under 900 save% for the series against Tampa, yes Vasi did too but he won so that doesn't matter for him that Matters with Campbell because Campbell lost.

That's what Campbell does he loses because when it matters he's a loser

go get the best guy the best guy available

have the guts to pay the price

 

[3blizzard4]

Prediction: Campbell signs with Edmonton and plays like the second coming of Christ together with Ceci, Hyman and Barrie. Of course winning the Cup too.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Prediction: Campbell signs with Edmonton and plays like the second coming of Christ together with Ceci, Hyman and Barrie. Of course winning the Cup too.

I think you're secretly an Oilers fan.

 

[Buds17]

Prediction: Campbell signs with Edmonton and plays like the second coming of Christ together with Ceci, Hyman and Barrie. Of course winning the Cup too.

Is it time for the Leafs to move back to the Western Conference?

 

[3blizzard4]

I think you're secretly an Oilers fan.

At this rate I might as well be my friend. Seems like all the Leafs who go there do pretty well.

PS never ever say I’m a Coilers fan. I hate that team and that fan base with a passion. Just like they hate us. And trust me they HATE us. The mods here are pretty strict. Over there: anti leaf hate is encouraged.

 

[Stephen]

Who do you have in mind?

Open minded.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Campbell is 0-5 in games when he can win a series because he doesn't have the guts to win

Campbell shit the bed in games 2, 4 and 6

Campbell had an under 900 save% for the series against Tampa, yes Vasi did too but he won so that doesn't matter for him that Matters with Campbell because Campbell lost.

That's what Campbell does he loses because when it matters he's a loser

go get the best guy the best guy available

have the guts to pay the price

Always fun when anonymous guys on the internet talk about people having no guts.

 

[Jeypic]

who cares who the goalies are? find a way not to have the 2nd best goalie

simple as that that's the issue

So injure vasilevsky and price?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

So injure vasilevsky and price?

no just close it out when you have a chance to.

Don't be 0-5 in games where you can win a series

 

[Jeypic]

no just close it out when you have a chance to.

Don't be 0-5 in games where you can win a series

You just completely changed what you said the simple issue was. Guess its more complicated then that

 

[fahad203]

Always fun when anonymous guys on the internet talk about people having no guts.

Sure, but he's not wrong

 

[ShaneFalco]

Then you have 8 mill tied up in injury prone fragile goalies.

But I'm sure they so deeply care

 

[Mess]

Maybe it's time the Leafs just pay a crap ton for an elite goalie who can be a strength for once? A strong goalie also gives the offense a boost by giving them more of a margin to make mistakes on the attack. In some ways I could see an argument made that a $6.5 million bluechip goalie is a much more impactful way to use the cap than $5 million on a quiet defensive defenseman like Brodie.

In the last 30+ years the Leafs have had the most success in the 90's and 2000's with Potvin and then Cujo or Belfour in net.

Good teams are built from the goalie out.