GDT: Free agency madness, brought to you by the letter G - PART 2

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Kyle Turris hadn't established himself as top 6 forward on a bad Arz team, Chychrun is the #1 on a bad Arz team, seems like there's a bit of a difference there.
Oh sure, it's not a direct comparison. My comment was only that we seem to be assuming best-case for Chychrun when there's not really much evidence to suggest he'll blossom elsewhere (but there was reason to believe that with Turris.) I think there's a case to be made for saying he is what he is – an effective defenceman with some offensive flair, but not the undisputed solution some are painting him to be. That was the context of my initial reply in the chain.
 
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Chychrun been rumoured to Sens for a while by few credible people including most of TSN panel.

Then within 24 hours Wally again, too much smoke.

Would be insane if true. Chychrun might not be as good as some making him out to be, but still a spectacular number 3, which would give us just a super balanced top 4 at worst.

How much is a number 3 defender at 4 mil worth at deadline? At least a 1st + prospect? I can see why Dorion pushing now. Likely won't trade 2 firsts and could get him for a steal relative to what others pay at deadline for 3/4 the player Chychrun is.

Got to include Zaitsev, trading Chychrun puts them under the cap floor if no salary comes backand we can't afford keeping both.

My trade automatically includes Zaitsev. It is a given they are linked in any transaction.
 
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Oh sure, it's not a direct comparison. My comment was only that we seem to be assuming best-case for Chychrun when there's not really much evidence to suggest he'll blossom elsewhere (but there was reason to believe that with Turris.) I think there's a case to be made for saying he is what he is – an effective defenceman with some offensive flair, but not the undisputed solution some are painting him to be. That was the context of my initial reply in the chain.
What are people really suggesting he'd be here? I don't think people are saying he's better than Chabot, but he'd almost certainly be the second best D on the team next year unless Sanderson comes in hot. That gives us a much better D group, assuming he can play the right side effectively.

I'm also not sure why there's not much evidence he'll blossom outside of Arz, he's 24, basically just entering prime years for a Dman, and has all the tools to be successful in a better environment. He's already shown flashes of what he can be. This has the same feel as people who claimed you should stay away from Petry when EDM was moving him because that team leaves a taint on players.
 
What are people really suggesting he'd be here? I don't think people are saying he's better than Chabot, but he'd almost certainly be the second best D on the team next year unless Sanderson comes in hot. That gives us a much better D group, assuming he can play the right side effectively.

I'm also not sure why there's not much evidence he'll blossom outside of Arz, he's 24, basically just entering prime years for a Dman, and has all the tools to be successful in a better environment. He's already shown flashes of what he can be. This has the same feel as people who claimed you should stay away from Petry when EDM was moving him because that team leaves a taint on players.
If he is exactly what he currently is we have a massive upgrade.

He gives us quite a number of things we lack on the back end:

- big time shot
- big body and physical
- Outlet passing
- he is not Z or Brown

No question he is a massive upgrade and I am not sure I buy in to the fact he would be an $8M D (previously posted). He would get a raise but not that much.
 
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1st 2023 (top 3 protected), one of Jarventie/Boucher/Sokolov/Ostapchuk, one of JBD/Brannstrom, 2nd round pick 2024 (if the sens make the playoffs this year it turns into a top 5 protected 1st 2024), Zaitsev.

For

Chychrun

Final offer
 
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If u are adding Chychrun it’s a safe gamble . Sens aren’t gonna draft top 10 with that pick and chances of winning the lotto as a team just out of the wildcard race is rare
It’s not a risk any GM would/should take. Top 3 protection at a bare minimum.
 
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If u are adding Chychrun it’s a safe gamble . Sens aren’t gonna draft top 10 with that pick and chances of winning the lotto as a team just out of the wildcard race is rare
That's giving a way a free asset. GMs who think they can predict the future run the risk of looking very silly on protection.

All first round picks have 2 components

1. The pick
2. The protection.

Taking protection off costs money, assets, etc.

If you don't charge for that you're just giving a gift to a fellow GM.

It's fine to give an unprotected pick you just don't stack a billion assets on top and do it with the best 1 OA since McDavid.
 
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That's giving a way a free asset. GMs who think they can predict the future run the risk of looking very silly on protection.

All first round picks have 2 components

1. The pick
2. The protection.

Taking protection off costs money, assets, etc.

If you don't charge for that you're just giving a gift to a fellow GM.

It's fine to give an unprotected pick you just don't stack a billion assets on top and do it with the best 1 OA since McDavid.

I agree a first unprotected has more worth than a protected first.

We are talking about acquiring a top 4 D locked up on a team friendly AAV for 3 years.

in this deal that was proposed... the first is the best piece and we are also dumping Zaitsev. I won't lose sleep losing two seconds and Jarvy and Brannstrom either. Chychrun will open a three year window for this team that it hasn't seen for over a decade. We already have a sick top 9 F group. If we have Chabot, Zub, Sanderson, Chychrun, and keep Thomson, JBD, Klevin in our prospect pool our D looks very promising.

Zaitzev
1st 2023 (no conditions)
2nd 2024
2nd 2024 Was
Jarventie
Brannstrom
 
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No chance it’s a 2023 unprotected 1st.
A protected 1st. Top 3 protected? Top 10 protected?

Did they not change the rules? Maximum jump is 10 spots?

If the play is we need Chychrun to make the playoffs....how much protection is needed? If we make the deal, it'd be a disaster to miss the playoffs wouldn't you think?
 
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I agree a first unprotected has more worth than a protected first.

We are talking about acquiring a top 4 D locked up on a team friendly AAV for 3 years.

in this deal that was proposed... the first is the best piece and we are also dumping Zaitsev. I won't lose sleep losing two seconds and Jarvy and Brannstrom either. Chychrun will open a three year window for this team that it hasn't seen for over a decade. We already have a sick top 9 F group. If we have Chabot, Zub, Sanderson, Chychrun, and keep Thomson, JBD, Klevin in our prospect pool our D looks very promising.

Zaitzev
1st 2023 (no conditions)
2nd 2024
2nd 2024 Was
Jarventie
Brannstrom
I think you're talking yourself into an overpay with a potentially catastrophic conclusion.
 
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Honestly at this point I wouldn't mind trying to acquire him. He'd be fine on our second pairing and doesn't have much term.

Jets are in a weird place right now, not sure how they "re-tool". I wouldn't mind acquiring one of DeMelo or Schmidt. Schmidt barely cost anything in his two recent trades. I'd offer Zaitsev for him or a couple of draft picks for DeMelo.

Both would be a major improvement over Zaitsev. But I doubt Winnipeg would take on Zaitsevs contract even in their current situation. Demelo would be nice with either Sanderson or Chabot
 
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If he is exactly what he currently is we have a massive upgrade.

He gives us quite a number of things we lack on the back end:

- big time shot
- big body and physical
- Outlet passing
- he is not Z or Brown

No question he is a massive upgrade and I am not sure I buy in to the fact he would be an $8M D (previously posted). He would get a raise but not that much.
There aren't a lot of 8 mil d out there, maybe 20 league wide? I think he needs to have a couple big offensive seasons to get there but at the same time, he isn't coming in much lower than that either.
 
i don't think its an overpay when you aren't offering the best piece in the deal. There is a lot of value in that trade for Ottawa with Zaitsev our Chychrun in.
That's because you've already decided the 1st is not Berard. That is not necessarily correct.
 
A protected 1st. Top 3 protected? Top 10 protected?

Did they not change the rules? Maximum jump is 10 spots?

If the play is we need Chychrun to make the playoffs....how much protection is needed? If we make the deal, it'd be a disaster to miss the playoffs wouldn't you think?
If/when the deal is made, I still feel we are more likely to miss than make the playoffs.

Sanderson - 0 NHL games
Stu - 132 NHL games
Batherson - 145 NHL games
Norris - 125 NHL games
Pinto - 17 NHL games
Formenton - 109 NHL games

These guys need experience, our top 3 centres and Sanderson especially. I think 2023/24 is most realistic to make the playoffs.
 
That's because you've already decided the 1st is not Berard. That is not necessarily correct.

It is more correct to assume that 1st is not going to be Bedard.

When it becomes hindsight and the Sens are drafting 9th-16th overall in 23 draft wouldn't you want to go back and make that trade? With Chychrun its likely the sens are drafting 13th-20th overall.
 
Would anyone entertain a Sanderson for Dobson trade if Lou took back Zaitsev and we added a 2nd.
 
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