GDT: Free agency madness, brought to you by the letter G - PART 2

[Micklebot]

No one is giving them that. So just have to keep negotiating.

Idk, on the one hand I can't see a team with the pieces, capspace and willingness to move two firsts plus a good prospect either,

On the other hand, he's a young top pair quality Dman at a good cap hit with 3 years left in a league where top 4 Dman rentals get a 1st, and we'd be shipping out Zaitsev which is probably going to cost us at least the equivalent of a 2nd.

Not sure there's any rush for Arz to move him, I guess they don't want it hanging over them when the season starts.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Two 1sts and a high-end prospect is an overpayment.

2023 1st + 2024 2nd + Greig + D prospect + Zaitsev is probably fair value, but I wouldn't pay that much either.

We're still in a major buyer's market with little cap space to go around, plus the 2023 draft looks insane.

Would offer them all of our Finns (Jarventie, Thomson, Merilainen), Zaitsev, our 2023 1st and a 2024 2nd.

 

[JimmySpaetzle]

Two 1sts and a high-end prospect is an overpayment.

2023 1st + 2024 2nd + Greig + D prospect + Zaitsev is probably fair value, but I wouldn't pay that much either.

We're still in a major buyer's market with little cap space to go around, plus the 2023 draft looks insane.

Would offer them all of our Finns (Jarventie, Thomson, Merilainen), Zaitsev, our 2023 1st and a 2024 2nd.

Do not need to give up Merilainen after trading away Gus, but the rest I’m fine with

 

[Hale The Villain]

Do not need to give up Merilainen after trading away Gus, but the rest I’m fine with

Still would have Sogaard, Mandolese and Reidler in the pipeline.

I'm not convinced Merilainen is a starter in the making. Has talent but his technicals are awful.

 

[Micklebot]

Two 1sts and a high-end prospect is an overpayment.

2023 1st + 2024 2nd + Greig + D prospect + Zaitsev is probably fair value, but I wouldn't pay that much either.

We're still in a major buyer's market with little cap space to go around, plus the 2023 draft looks insane.

Would offer them all of our Finns (Jarventie, Thomson, Merilainen), Zaitsev, our 2023 1st and a 2024 2nd.

I'd rather give up another first than Greig myself.

All that said, I don't see us making the move unless the ask comes down

 

[OD99]

I just can't see with what GMPD has shown in the Summer of Pierre that he would give up Greig. That kid has never been more popular and no question he and Pinto along with Sanderson are the next in line to have meaningful impact on the team.

Anyone not named above, 1st next season and 2nd in 2024. Let's get it done...big time fan support and the numbers work.

Need to move up from the $26 tickets though.

 

[benjiv1]

Not many teams are going to be lining up to pay that.

I suspect they might lean on Tourigny’s connections in the 67s to see if Boucher is legit and come to a compromise.

2023 1st- Top 3 Protected
2025 1st- Condition if the 2023 pick is in the top 10, it reverts to a 2nd.
2024 3rd
Boucher

 

[Wallet Inspector]

If we can trade a 2024 1st instead of Greig, I'm all for it

Protected 2023 1st
Protected 2024 1st
Thomson
2023 2nd
Zaitsev

For Chychrun

 

[L'Aveuglette]

That's a lot to give up for Chychrun, depending on the prospect. If Greig or Pinto are involved I'd pass. I'm also hesitant to go three straight years without a first.

Getting Chychrun makes us a young, complete team for many years. Now's not the time to worry about our next two 1st picks. Only player I'd balk at sending their way would be Pinto.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Too much

 

[L'Aveuglette]

People forget how we'd suddenly go from being very thin on defense, to having one of the best d cores in the league. Being scared off by giving away two 1sts is myopic.

The rebuilding part is clearly over with so let's f-ing go.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Are we best team in division with Chychrun?

DeBrincat-Stutzle-Giroux
Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
Formenton-Pinto-Joseph
Kelly-Kaestlic-Watson

Chabot-Zub
Sanderson-Chychrun
Holden-Hamonic

Talbot
Forsberg

Jarventie+JBD/Thomson+top 10 protected 1st or unprotected 2024 pick+Sokolov

I mean... adding a top pairing D + above average number 1 goalie + 40 goal scorer + 60+ point first line veteran + possible top 4 Calder capable D

That’s gotta be top 3 in division.

 

[playasRus]

To say nothing of what adding Chychrun will do to the cap sitch. Inclined to pass on this one too if it’s anything more than, say, Lassi/Z/1st/2nd. Not because I don’t think Chyc would improve the team, but just because that’s a lot to give up.

Exactly.
$28M (+ Zaitsev's 4.5M) to resign: Stutzle, DBC, Zub, #3D, #4D, #1/2 goalie, Formenton/Brannstrom (assuming they're only signed to 1year deals) sounds like a nightmare.

HFBoard projects 33.5M alone with conservative numbers of:
Stutzle - 9M
DBC - 9M
Zub - 4M
#3D - 3M
#4D - 2M
#1/2 goalie - 2M
Formenton - 2.5M
Brannstrom - 2M

The deal probably looks like a 1st, 2 2nds and a prospect like Jarventie, with a bit of retention on Zaitsev.

As per above, retaining is absolutely not an option.

Yikes, a $5.4 million salary next year and a $7 million salary in his last year. I think that alone will make it difficult for Ottawa to acquire him

So, cap strain AND salary strain.

 

[majormajor]

If we can trade a 2024 1st instead of Greig, I'm all for it

Protected 2023 1st
Protected 2024 1st
Thomson
2023 2nd
Zaitsev

For Chychrun

Are we best team in division with Chychrun?

DeBrincat-Stutzle-Giroux
Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
Formenton-Pinto-Joseph
Kelly-Kaestlic-Watson

Chabot-Zub
Sanderson-Chychrun
Holden-Hamonic

Talbot
Forsberg

Jarventie+JBD/Thomson+top 10 protected 1st or unprotected 2024 pick+Sokolov

I mean... adding a top pairing D + above average number 1 goalie + 40 goal scorer + 60+ point first line veteran + possible top 4 Calder capable D

That’s gotta be top 3 in division.

I don't think that's a great defense. I'm not sure if Chychrun is more than an average defenseman with a good shot. So the overall D group would look middle of the pack.

But a 1st to unload Zaitsev and another 1st+2nd+Thomson is a reasonable price to pay for a good #3D. So that makes sense. I don't think he's good enough to involve Greig or Pinto unless it's close to 1 for 1.

 

[Silky Johnson]

Careful there partner; there are many religious people with firm beliefs in their firm beliefs.

That's still embarrassing.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Exactly.
$28M (+ Zaitsev's 4.5M) to resign: Stutzle, DBC, Zub, #3D, #4D, #1/2 goalie, Formenton/Brannstrom (assuming they're only signed to 1year deals) sounds like a nightmare.

HFBoard projects 33.5M alone with conservative numbers of:
Stutzle - 9M
DBC - 9M
Zub - 4M
#3D - 3M
#4D - 2M
#1/2 goalie - 2M
Formenton - 2.5M
Brannstrom - 2M

If we aren't giving up Greig in the deal then he's definitely going to be plugged in at LW for DeBrincat (if he doesn't re-sign) or Formenton (if he does) after the season, so there's some cap savings there.

We would also likely plug in Thomson and JBD at around 1M each, assuming neither gets the chance to play in the NHL all year and break out, so that's 3M in savings compared to what you project. Even if Zub costs 5M or more there should be enough money to pull it off.

Brannstrom also won't make 2M on his next deal and will be redundant if we add Chychrun. Could see him going back to Arizona in the deal actually.

It's definitely going to be tight if we can re-sign DeBrincat, but should be do-able.

 

[majormajor]

To say nothing of what adding Chychrun will do to the cap sitch. Inclined to pass on this one too if it’s anything more than, say, Lassi/Z/1st/2nd. Not because I don’t think Chyc would improve the team, but just because that’s a lot to give up.

If there's one good argument for Chychrun it is that he is excellent value for his cap hit. Getting a top four D spot filled for $4.6m x3 makes it easier to build a roster under the cap, not harder. You'd pay a lot more if you were signing that player in UFA.

 

[SpezDispenser]

No way am I trading 2 1sts and a top prospect for Chychrun. At this point, this is just getting annoying.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

I'm guessing one of Jarventie or Ostapchuk would probably go the other way, along with our 2023 1st (hopefully protected) and another mid-tier prospect.

 

[Peptic Balcers]

Too much

Probably called around to see what the price is to move Zaitsev and the market is a 1st round pick. So they’re looking at getting the Zaitsev dump and top 4 D with 1 stone. It’d could be broken down to 1st and a prospect for chychrun and a 1st to dump Zaitsev. Probably don’t have it in the budget to get a D without moving Zaitsev so that’s an important piece to the puzzle.

That being said, I’m really hesitant to ship out a lot for chychrun. Injuries, playing his off side plus a strong draft coming up. It could end up ugly

 

[Micklebot]

People forget how we'd suddenly go from being very thin on defense, to having one of the best d cores in the league. Being scared off by giving away two 1sts is myopic.

The rebuilding part is clearly over with so let's f-ing go.

Two firsts and Greig who was a first and has improved his stock. It's compounded by having dealt our first for DeBrincat and imo by the Boucher pick who I don't see giving us 1st Rd pick value long term.

If anything is myopic, it's not considering how big an impact no first 3 years in a row will have on us long term combined with potentially missing on that 4th year in Boucher, and that's before considering the loss of Greig.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Two firsts and Greig who was a first and has improved his stock. It's compounded by having dealt our first for DeBrincat and imo by the Boucher pick who I don't see giving us 1st Rd pick value long term.

If anything is myopic, it's not considering how big an impact no first 3 years in a row will have on us long term combined with potentially missing on that 4th year in Boucher, and that's before considering the loss of Greig.

Our core is all in their early 20s. I don't care about our next two 1sts one bit, especially if we have a top-4 of Chabot, Chychrun, Sanderson and Zub.

I agree losing Greig would hurt though, and I'd rather trade Jarventie, Ostapchuk or Sokolov instead.

 

[Cosmix]

One first round pick (2023 lottery protected), plus Jarventie or Boucher or JBD or Thomson plus Zaitsev and 2nd round pick is all I would give up for Chychrun. If that is not sufficient, then stay the course or find another trading partner for a decent top 4 D. Zaitsev and the 2nd round pick are packaged together.

 

[Cosmix]

The deal probably looks like a 1st, 2 2nds and a prospect like Jarventie, with a bit of retention on Zaitsev.

If the 1st is lottery protected, OK.

Yup. The draft was approaching, Chicago wanted to get into the top 10 and it was time to make a decision. Arizona doesn't have a hard deadline the same way Chicago did but I'm sure there will be some motivation to get it done before training camp for both sides.

Waiting for training camp to start is not good for the players and their families. It has to be done asap and before the end of August to enable moves, school registration, etc. if a player is MWC.

 

[JD1]

That's a lot to give up for Chychrun, depending on the prospect. If Greig or Pinto are involved I'd pass. I'm also hesitant to go three straight years without a first.

I'd pass on that too. Thinking must be to win a cup during Giroux's three years