GDT: Free agency madness, brought to you by the letter G - PART 2

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Agree with the Brady praise. We often talk about how certain guys, such as Nick Paul, are "glue guys" which is definitely a valid concept as there are obviously some people who have a knack for tightening the social bonds around them (sports or not). Brady seems like an elite glue guy himself the way other players talk about him.
 
Trading Chabot to clear cap space makes no sense. He's the only top pairing d-man on the team, the only offensive d-man and arguably 1 of only 2 top-4 d-men. He's not expendable in any way, even with Chychrun.

I also don't get the point of Chychrun at the same time that Sanderson is about to start his NHL career.

There are 6 forwards trying to score 65+ points. I can barely find team comps for that unless I go back to the 1980's. I'm legitimately worried about diminishing returns reducing the potential production for 1-2 of these guys. The best offenses normally have 2x50 point guys mixed in. If the cap becomes an issue down the road, a forward will be moved.

I think the fact that we did not buyout Zaitzev during the most recent buyout window (this past week if I’m not mistaken which we were eligible for because Joesph filed for arb) makes me think there is a deal in place.

Or it means that they're expecting a rebound from a guy who missed 20 games last year due to Covid-19 and a serious heel injury. Zaitsev, Hamonic and Holden are high shot block and hits d-men in their early-mid 30's. There are going to be lots of times where underperforming because they're hurt and some when they're missing games due to injury.
 
It was interesting once again to listen to Methot and DBC talk about how people continue to underestimate how important the locker room is, and how it directly correlates to how hard the players are able and willing to work, how much they enjoy coming to work, and how far they are willing to go for each other in the ice.

In here there are some who understate this no matter how many pro players try to explain it. To me and many others it’s an obvious thing, and doesn’t just pertain to a hockey team.

Chabot and Brady are two vocal core leaders of the team. They also nicely represent forwards and D, French and English. Neither will be traded during this contract, or likely the next. Our guys go on and on to every new player about how awesome the ‘room’ is, both DBC and G mentioned it and are stoked. G even mentioned Brady as a reason to sign with Ottawa. These two players (Brady and Chabby) have helped build a team chemistry and identity that looks to have the potential to be deadly. This was the character that Dorion, Mann and company have been drafting and developing for years. No way either player is traded.

In video games, it’s easy to move players as though they are pieces, but on a team where these two players are so incredibly important to both the fanbase, the community and their teammates, it would be devastating.

Especially Brady because he’s become the hero that we needed. Every single player asked talks about how much of a pain he is to play against, and by extension the team. Every broadcast team for the opposition on any given night go on and on about Brady and his leadership, how much a pain he is, and how he drags the team into battle.

Now, he always explains that it’s a leadership group and that every player in the locker room brings their own piece of the puzzle. In one interview when asked about who was the funniest teammate, he still wouldn’t isolate anyone for higher praise. Lots of funny guys, everyone has their moments, it not just me leading, everyone has their moments… The humility doesn’t go unnoticed by the guys in the room. The young man is already legend in the league, and by signing his long term deal along with Chabot, they saved the fanbase from the seemingly endless bitterness and frustration, and gave us hope that this time things will be different.

So far so good.

Between the core pillars of Chabot and Brady, it’s Dorion’s ‘we are team’. That joke is finally on us.
I assume DBC is Debrincat, right?
 
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No, it’s an entertainment business. Brady is entertaining and he sells lots of tickets. Every team can’t win the cup each year. You have to sell the market something and Brady does that for the team in spades.

What sells ticket's is a good team. We've had Brady for 4 seasons and no one's been buying tickets because the team sucked. Good teams sell tickets.

It's crazy that you think the Sens' shitty marketing is responsible for our love of Brady. You're really out of touch with the fanbase.

Brady gets love same reason Boro got love. He plays an easy to love hard nosed game and was heavily marketed by the team as the leader and is good in the community.



It would have been easy to simply state we shouldn't trade Chabot. You made the choice to include Tkachuk and make it a debate about which player we should keep.

I wouldn't have even considered mentioning anything if it wasn't for the fact that you are constantly criticizing Tkachuk. It is fine to have an opinion but you present your subjective opinion as if it were objective facts. Most problematic is your tendency to make completely hyperbolic and inflammatory statements about Tkachuk. The type of statements that not only lack nuance, ambivalence or an appreciation for ambiguities but logically would invite criticism and opposition. When presented with such criticism and opposition, you play the victim. You claim everyone else is being absurd and call them "cultists" for disagreeing with you.

I have attempted to contend with your position by using facts and logic and it seems to have no real impact on you. You don't even appear to be that interested in engaging in any kind of argumentative dialogue which could lead to a mutual re-evaluation of each person's position. Instead you appear, at least to me, to be fairly entrenched in your position and quite dismissive of anything that would lead to even a slight re-evaluation of your position. I am highly doubtful that you have any genuine interest in any such dialogue. That is why I don't really engage with you in discussions on the topic. It is also why I have concluded that you dislike him as a player.

It is probably futile for me to even state any of this, as I am highly doubtful that it will facilitate any productive dialogue. But, if it happens to be the case, that you are not aware how you are coming across, that you are perplexed by the responses you are receiving, the lack of others (like myself) willingness to engage in a more detailed dialogue with you and you would like to change that, this may prove helpful. If not, then at least I won't be engaging in any dialogue with you on this matter in the future. You can hold your position and call me a cultist for disagreeing with you, if that is what you so choose.

Obviously it would be better to keep Chabot and Tkachuk. But the whole discussion was about possibly having to manage the cap and salaries which will very quickly become tenuous. So in that context what is the point of saying we should trade neither. It's a hockey discussion board, you guys get offended for absolutely no reason when it comes to Brady.

You literally aren't allowed to talk about Brady on here unless it's about profuse praise. Even Alfredsson and Karlsson had a smaller leash and they were double the players and had accomplished way more. Brady hasn't accomplished shit yet for you guys to be so offended and consider any critique as hyperbolic and inflammatory. The cultist tag sticks.

And for the 100th time it's not about me disliking the player specifically. I just don't like overpaid players if I'm building a Stanley Cup team. That to me is not how you build a Cup team imo. And in the case of Brady he needs to massively improve his defensive play and defensive effort (esp as Captain) if he is to stop being overpaid because I doubt he will be outscoring it.
 
What sells ticket's is a good team. We've had Brady for 4 seasons and no one's been buying tickets because the team sucked. Good teams sell tickets.



Brady gets love same reason Boro got love. He plays an easy to love hard nosed game and was heavily marketed by the team as the leader and is good in the community.





Obviously it would be better to keep Chabot and Tkachuk. But the whole discussion was about possibly having to manage the cap and salaries which will very quickly become tenuous. So in that context what is the point of saying we should trade neither. It's a hockey discussion board, you guys get offended for absolutely no reason when it comes to Brady.

You literally aren't allowed to talk about Brady on here unless it's about profuse praise. Even Alfredsson and Karlsson had a smaller leash and they were double the players and had accomplished way more. Brady hasn't accomplished shit yet for you guys to be so offended and consider any critique as hyperbolic and inflammatory. The cultist tag sticks.

And for the 100th time it's not about me disliking the player specifically. I just don't like overpaid players if I'm building a Stanley Cup team. That to me is not how you build a Cup team imo. And in the case of Brady he needs to massively improve his defensive play and defensive effort (esp as Captain) if he is to stop being overpaid because I doubt he will be outscoring it.

4 guys 22 years old or younger score 30+ goals last season.

1 player scored at least 30 who was 21 (svechnikov).

You may not like to spend your money on goals, shots, physicality, "intangibles", youth, and potential but GMs do.

Your take on Tkachuk is completely out of line with reality.

He got 30 points in his last 31 games In a season he missed camp. He's gotten a huge upgrade in quality of teammates. And powerforwards take longer to develop.

Do your best to score your points on him now because, as he fills out, your perspective will become progressively disconnected from reality.
 
4 guys 22 years old or younger score 30+ goals last season.

1 player scored at least 30 who was 21 (svechnikov).

You may not like to spend your money on goals, shots, physicality, "intangibles", youth, and potential but GMs do.

Your take on Tkachuk is completely out of line with reality.

He got 30 points in his last 31 games In a season he missed camp. He's gotten a huge upgrade in quality of teammates. And powerforwards take longer to develop.

Do your best to score your points on him now because, as he fills out, your perspective will become progressively disconnected from reality.

Norris outplayed him, Batherson outplayed him, Chabot outplayed him, Stutzle will outplay/outplayed him, Sanderson will outplay him, Debrincat will outplay him.

He will be our 5th/6th/7th best player and you guys are hoping he's our highest cap hit.
 
Norris outplayed him, Batherson outplayed him, Chabot outplayed him, Stutzle will outplay/outplayed him, Sanderson will outplay him, Debrincat will outplay him.

He will be our 5th/6th/7th best player and you guys are hoping he's our highest cap hit.
I have no expectation he will be highest cap hit. I expect stutzle to be over 9.5 unless his deal is extremely short.

Insane that you value an injured college defenseman over a guy who scored 30 goals at 21, in the nhl, while terrifying the rest of the league.

This isn't a video game it's real life.

Getting back to the free agent thread again, is anybody getting the feeling that maybe we go into the season with existing roster i.e., no RD acquisition?
Wouldn't be surprised but it's the beginning of August. People need to go to the cottage like the executives and relax a bit.
 
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I have no expectation he will be highest cap hit. I expect stutzle to be over 9.5 unless his deal is extremely short.

Insane that you value an injured college defenseman over a guy who scored 30 goals at 21, in the nhl, while terrifying the rest of the league.

This isn't a video game it's real life.


Wouldn't be surprised but it's the beginning of August. People need to go to the cottage like the executives and relax a bit.

I will 100 percent take Sanderson over Brady.

Sanderson might end up our best player and be Norris caliber, Brady will never be our best player and will never be in contention for any award.

It is real life and in real life you have to have balls to win.
 
I have no expectation he will be highest cap hit. I expect stutzle to be over 9.5 unless his deal is extremely short.

Insane that you value an injured college defenseman over a guy who scored 30 goals at 21, in the nhl, while terrifying the rest of the league.

This isn't a video game it's real life.


Wouldn't be surprised but it's the beginning of August. People need to go to the cottage like the executives and relax a bit.
Yes, good point. Might be a bit of lull now given the summer break. Its combination of craving news and trying to predict the future I suppose. Trying to move the discussion back to the thread topic was another agenda.
 
Getting back to the free agent thread again, is anybody getting the feeling that maybe we go into the season with existing roster i.e., no RD acquisition?
I have a similar feeling too. The current available options may be too expensive or inadequate.

Maybe we can be like the Leafs and hope that like Murray, Zaitzev will have a decent season!!!
 
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Getting back to the free agent thread again, is anybody getting the feeling that maybe we go into the season with existing roster i.e., no RD acquisition?
I think Dorion got his top 4 D during last season but has been reluctant to say so, given his past odd comments. However if he does acquire a better D, he will have to jettison a D to make the 6D better overall.
 
Arizona would definately want Formenton in a trade. However, until the hockey Canada stuff is settled, we have a pause on a potential swap.

To Arizona:
Formenton
Brannstrom
2024 protected 1st
Zaitsev

Ottawa:
Chychrun
Fischer
Here's the answer from Arizona:

f*** no.
 
I will 100 percent take Sanderson over Brady.

Sanderson might end up our best player and be Norris caliber, Brady will never be our best player and will never be in contention for any award.

It is real life and in real life you have to have balls to win.
Brady has hart trophy candidate written all over him, I don’t see anyone else on the team that looks close to winning an award lol.

The problem is that you put zero value on many of the major things that Brady brings to the team. Everyone else on the team and in and around the league puts tremendous value on it, while you place none.

You seem to think that Norris and Batherson outplayed Brady last season when he is the straw that stirs the drink on that line, and on the team in general. All while scoring 30 goals himself. Chabot also didn’t outplay Brady last year.

The funny thing is that if his name was Tkachukov or Tkachuksson he’d be your absolute favourite player. Your Brady takes are just pure trolling in my opinion.
 
You don't have to choose, you can build your team with Brady, Sanderson, DBC, Stutzle, Batherson, Norris, Chabot, DMAN X, but you sure as shit better have some cheap contracts on there.

What I WOULD NOT do is sign a 30 year old player to an 8 year, 10.5 million dollar contract, no matter how bad you want to keep him, no matter how bad you think it's the right thing to do, it's a disaster waiting to happen and firmly closes your window after the 5th year when the player's value absolutely tanks (as does his play based on history).

We're set up to not deal with that for a long time, so we should all consider ourselves lucky.
 
What sells ticket's is a good team. We've had Brady for 4 seasons and no one's been buying tickets because the team sucked. Good teams sell tickets.



Brady gets love same reason Boro got love. He plays an easy to love hard nosed game and was heavily marketed by the team as the leader and is good in the community.





Obviously it would be better to keep Chabot and Tkachuk. But the whole discussion was about possibly having to manage the cap and salaries which will very quickly become tenuous. So in that context what is the point of saying we should trade neither. It's a hockey discussion board, you guys get offended for absolutely no reason when it comes to Brady.

You literally aren't allowed to talk about Brady on here unless it's about profuse praise. Even Alfredsson and Karlsson had a smaller leash and they were double the players and had accomplished way more. Brady hasn't accomplished shit yet for you guys to be so offended and consider any critique as hyperbolic and inflammatory. The cultist tag sticks.

And for the 100th time it's not about me disliking the player specifically. I just don't like overpaid players if I'm building a Stanley Cup team. That to me is not how you build a Cup team imo. And in the case of Brady he needs to massively improve his defensive play and defensive effort (esp as Captain) if he is to stop being overpaid because I doubt he will be outscoring it.
There's that thing that RafiBomb pointed out... You are stating your opinion as fact. Your opinion may be that Tkachuk is overpaid, but that's certainly not a fact.

I think what is a fact is that you're on a pretty small island on this board with your views on Tkachuk
 
I will 100 percent take Sanderson over Brady.

Sanderson might end up our best player and be Norris caliber, Brady will never be our best player and will never be in contention for any award.

It is real life and in real life you have to have balls to win.

Stars like Debrincat and Giroux are willing and happy to play here largely based on Tkachuk being our captain. You think they're wrong and you're right?
 
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Stars like Debrincat and Giroux are willing and happy to play here largely based on Tkachuk being our captain. You think they're wrong and you're right?
When was this said? I don't really think Debrincat has a choice (yet). Giroux...sure, we can credit Tkachuk, but he's an Ottawa boy that was just paid 20 million to play in his hometown.
 
When was this said? I don't really think Debrincat has a choice (yet). Giroux...sure, we can credit Tkachuk, but he's an Ottawa boy that was just paid 20 million to play in his hometown.

I can't pinpoint exactly when they said it, but in their interviews on various media shows/podcasts they've mentioned Tkachuk's leadership as being a key factor in their excitement for playing in Ottawa.
 
You don't have to choose, you can build your team with Brady, Sanderson, DBC, Stutzle, Batherson, Norris, Chabot, DMAN X, but you sure as shit better have some cheap contracts on there.

What I WOULD NOT do is sign a 30 year old player to an 8 year, 10.5 million dollar contract, no matter how bad you want to keep him, no matter how bad you think it's the right thing to do, it's a disaster waiting to happen and firmly closes your window after the 5th year when the player's value absolutely tanks (as does his play based on history).

We're set up to not deal with that for a long time, so we should all consider ourselves lucky.
Yup, the smart building plan is to sign the your stars to long term deals during their primes. Good chance they won’t be looking to make up for lost money on their retirement deals as well.

Instead of paying for past deeds, you pay up for current deeds and potential. There is risk, but the kids can be bought out or traded a la white if they seem to be falling off course.
 
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I can't pinpoint exactly when they said it, but in their interviews on various media shows/podcasts they've mentioned Tkachuk's leadership as being a key factor in their excitement for playing in Ottawa.
Yep. Giroux definitely said this. I couldn't be bothered to go look for the interview but he definitely said it. Brady's presence contributed to Claude signing here.
 
I can't pinpoint exactly when they said it, but in their interviews on various media shows/podcasts they've mentioned Tkachuk's leadership as being a key factor in their excitement for playing in Ottawa.
That's cool then. I don't doubt it, was just curious.
 
I can't pinpoint exactly when they said it, but in their interviews on various media shows/podcasts they've mentioned Tkachuk's leadership as being a key factor in their excitement for playing in Ottawa.
Giroux mentioned it on the Wally & Meth show. Didn't say much but named Tkachuk specifically as a guy he's looking forward to playing with.
 
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