GDT: Free agency madness, brought to you by the letter G - PART 2

[SpezDispenser]

We can add Chychrun and not be in any trouble. We'd have to shed a contract or 2 in a couple of years, but I hope that isn't seen as the holdup. It's likely not, it's the asking price.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Chychrun plus an EK type deal for Chabot which allows us to keep more players and extend our competitive window is more valuable than going all in on Chabot.

There was some good fortune involved in that EK deal and he carried a bigger rep, so expecting the same from a Chabot trade is probably not realistic. If you top that off with what it would cost to acquire Chychrun and him needing another big contract soon, how much ahead are you?

 

[playasRus]

There was some good fortune involved in that EK deal and he carried a bigger rep, so expecting the same from a Chabot trade is probably not realistic. If you top that off with what it would cost to acquire Chychrun and him needing another big contract soon, how much ahead are you?

Also watching EK carry the Senators to the ECF game 7 was rather impressive for outsiders.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Also watching EK carry the Senators to the ECF game 7 was rather impressive for outsiders.

I'm sure it did.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

What is this..

Agent Zub doesn't like Tkachuk. That is about the extent of it.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I assume the Sens are offering Formenton instead of Greig, and I'm sure a big reason for that is that Greig would probably be able to plug into the 3rd line LW role by potentially the end of next season for around 2M less than Formenton, resulting in around 6M in savings over his 3YR ELC. If the Yotes retained 50% on Chychrun the savings would be slightly higher (about 2.6M per year).

Depends on how much better the Sens think Greig will end up compared to Formenton. Personally I think both probably top out as 40-50P 2nd line LWs that bring value away from the puck with good two-way games, quality PKing and some physicality (bit more in Greig's case), so I wouldn't mind the above deal.

HC Issue aside I hope the Sens are not entertaining trading Formenton,

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Fixed that for you.

I’m not sure we do this board is talking about who to trade Chabot or tkatchuk lol. Not long ago we didn’t think we could sign them

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Agent Zub doesn't like Tkachuk. That is about the extent of it.

Lol so Chabot gets floated to be traded but no one accuses them of being haters but if Brady gets floated (which makes so much more sense on so many levels) suddenly it's out of bounds and they are haters? Come on.


And it's not about liking the player or not. I like the player, I don't like the cap hit and the money allocated and it will increasingly be a problem. Because let's face it. Brady is the 5th or 6th best player when we're going to be competing and for some reason we're hoping he will carry the highest cap hit on the team.


Keeping Chabot and his better salary makes way more sense than Brady if we're forced to choose one.


It's crazy how well marketing works on people. This place is like a cult now.

 

[slamigo]

It's crazy how well marketing works on people. This place is like a cult now.

No, it’s an entertainment business. Brady is entertaining and he sells lots of tickets. Every team can’t win the cup each year. You have to sell the market something and Brady does that for the team in spades.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Lol so Chabot gets floated to be traded but no one accuses them of being haters but if Brady gets floated (which makes so much more sense on so many levels) suddenly it's out of bounds and they are haters? Come on.


And it's not about liking the player or not. I like the player, I don't like the cap hit and the money allocated and it will increasingly be a problem. Because let's face it. Brady is the 5th or 6th best player when we're going to be competing and for some reason we're hoping he will carry the highest cap hit on the team.


Keeping Chabot and his better salary makes way more sense than Brady if we're forced to choose one.


It's crazy how well marketing works on people. This place is like a cult now.

It's crazy that you think the Sens' shitty marketing is responsible for our love of Brady. You're really out of touch with the fanbase.

 

[SensFactor]

Lol so Chabot gets floated to be traded but no one accuses them of being haters but if Brady gets floated (which makes so much more sense on so many levels) suddenly it's out of bounds and they are haters? Come on.


And it's not about liking the player or not. I like the player, I don't like the cap hit and the money allocated and it will increasingly be a problem. Because let's face it. Brady is the 5th or 6th best player when we're going to be competing and for some reason we're hoping he will carry the highest cap hit on the team.


Keeping Chabot and his better salary makes way more sense than Brady if we're forced to choose one.


It's crazy how well marketing works on people. This place is like a cult now.

I love both players but I'd keep Brady over Chabby...

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Lol so Chabot gets floated to be traded but no one accuses them of being haters but if Brady gets floated (which makes so much more sense on so many levels) suddenly it's out of bounds and they are haters? Come on.

Aren't you a notorious Brady hater?

 

[Sensinitis]

If you look around the league, having our #1D locked up long term for 8M is great in comparison to other teams

 

[Sweatred]

There was some good fortune involved in that EK deal and he carried a bigger rep, so expecting the same from a Chabot trade is probably not realistic. If you top that off with what it would cost to acquire Chychrun and him needing another big contract soon, how much ahead are you?

A bit - Chabot will be making $10 million soon and he may not be a)PP1 B) PK1 … he may not be on the ice in the highest leverage opportunities.

He’s a great player - but if he’s not your top defensive player or top offensive player - you need to be careful if he’s your top paid player.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Lol so Chabot gets floated to be traded but no one accuses them of being haters but if Brady gets floated (which makes so much more sense on so many levels) suddenly it's out of bounds and they are haters? Come on.


And it's not about liking the player or not. I like the player, I don't like the cap hit and the money allocated and it will increasingly be a problem. Because let's face it. Brady is the 5th or 6th best player when we're going to be competing and for some reason we're hoping he will carry the highest cap hit on the team.


Keeping Chabot and his better salary makes way more sense than Brady if we're forced to choose one.


It's crazy how well marketing works on people. This place is like a cult now.

It would have been easy to simply state we shouldn't trade Chabot. You made the choice to include Tkachuk and make it a debate about which player we should keep.

I wouldn't have even considered mentioning anything if it wasn't for the fact that you are constantly criticizing Tkachuk. It is fine to have an opinion but you present your subjective opinion as if it were objective facts. Most problematic is your tendency to make completely hyperbolic and inflammatory statements about Tkachuk. The type of statements that not only lack nuance, ambivalence or an appreciation for ambiguities but logically would invite criticism and opposition. When presented with such criticism and opposition, you play the victim. You claim everyone else is being absurd and call them "cultists" for disagreeing with you.

I have attempted to contend with your position by using facts and logic and it seems to have no real impact on you. You don't even appear to be that interested in engaging in any kind of argumentative dialogue which could lead to a mutual re-evaluation of each person's position. Instead you appear, at least to me, to be fairly entrenched in your position and quite dismissive of anything that would lead to even a slight re-evaluation of your position. I am highly doubtful that you have any genuine interest in any such dialogue. That is why I don't really engage with you in discussions on the topic. It is also why I have concluded that you dislike him as a player.

It is probably futile for me to even state any of this, as I am highly doubtful that it will facilitate any productive dialogue. But, if it happens to be the case, that you are not aware how you are coming across, that you are perplexed by the responses you are receiving, the lack of others (like myself) willingness to engage in a more detailed dialogue with you and you would like to change that, this may prove helpful. If not, then at least I won't be engaging in any dialogue with you on this matter in the future. You can hold your position and call me a cultist for disagreeing with you, if that is what you so choose.

 

[Senovision]

I would like to see Chabot playing 23 to 25 minutes a night. He has been run ragged the last few years playing with a very weak defense group. He makes mistakes because he being overplayed.( because he had to be, someone had to be good back there). I would like to see him play with a bonafide number 2 defenseman, and a better overall group of defenseman. Also in the coming 2022-23 season he will have a nice group of forwards to make plays with for the first time in quite awhile. I would not be surprised if at the exit meetings at the end of this year he asked for the team to go out and get a top 4 defenseman. Apparently from what was being reported that he and Brady were quite vocal about improving the team in the off season. during the exit meetings.

 

[ATdaisuki]

Lol so Chabot gets floated to be traded but no one accuses them of being haters but if Brady gets floated (which makes so much more sense on so many levels) suddenly it's out of bounds and they are haters? Come on.


And it's not about liking the player or not. I like the player, I don't like the cap hit and the money allocated and it will increasingly be a problem. Because let's face it. Brady is the 5th or 6th best player when we're going to be competing and for some reason we're hoping he will carry the highest cap hit on the team.


Keeping Chabot and his better salary makes way more sense than Brady if we're forced to choose one.


It's crazy how well marketing works on people. This place is like a cult now.

The original "should we trade Chabot?" hypothetical sprung from a conversation about our cap situation after getting getting Chychrun. The premise was we would have too many good LD. That's why Chabot was brought up - as a potential "odd man out in a position of strength". In that context, it makes some sense to mention Chabot instead of Brady as trade bait. In that situation though, the right choice isn't to trade Chabot (or Brady). IF the numbers have been run and that's what the end result of getting Chychrun ends up looking like, the answer is to look elsewhere for a top 4 d or accept that we'd only have Chychrun for two full seasons then would need to trade him or let him walk.

I agree with your idea that trading Chabot is silly. I'm not going to touch the "if we need to trade a big contract, do we trade Brady or Chabot" hypothetical that it morphed into because I have some tact, but I will say that trading either would be a marketing (and likely a team culture) disaster. From what little comes out of that locker room, it sounds like they are both huge components of what makes us a team.

 

[Ice-Tray]

It was interesting once again to listen to Methot and DBC talk about how people continue to underestimate how important the locker room is, and how it directly correlates to how hard the players are able and willing to work, how much they enjoy coming to work, and how far they are willing to go for each other in the ice.

In here there are some who understate this no matter how many pro players try to explain it. To me and many others it’s an obvious thing, and doesn’t just pertain to a hockey team.

Chabot and Brady are two vocal core leaders of the team. They also nicely represent forwards and D, French and English. Neither will be traded during this contract, or likely the next. Our guys go on and on to every new player about how awesome the ‘room’ is, both DBC and G mentioned it and are stoked. G even mentioned Brady as a reason to sign with Ottawa. These two players (Brady and Chabby) have helped build a team chemistry and identity that looks to have the potential to be deadly. This was the character that Dorion, Mann and company have been drafting and developing for years. No way either player is traded.

In video games, it’s easy to move players as though they are pieces, but on a team where these two players are so incredibly important to both the fanbase, the community and their teammates, it would be devastating.

Especially Brady because he’s become the hero that we needed. Every single player asked talks about how much of a pain he is to play against, and by extension the team. Every broadcast team for the opposition on any given night go on and on about Brady and his leadership, how much a pain he is, and how he drags the team into battle.

Now, he always explains that it’s a leadership group and that every player in the locker room brings their own piece of the puzzle. In one interview when asked about who was the funniest teammate, he still wouldn’t isolate anyone for higher praise. Lots of funny guys, everyone has their moments, it not just me leading, everyone has their moments… The humility doesn’t go unnoticed by the guys in the room. The young man is already legend in the league, and by signing his long term deal along with Chabot, they saved the fanbase from the seemingly endless bitterness and frustration, and gave us hope that this time things will be different.

So far so good.

Between the core pillars of Chabot and Brady, it’s Dorion’s ‘we are team’. That joke is finally on us.

 

[Hun]

Chabot will be difficult to move. The modern NHL doesn't pay 8M on multi-year contracts for one-dimensional defensemen.

 

[JD1]

Lol so Chabot gets floated to be traded but no one accuses them of being haters but if Brady gets floated (which makes so much more sense on so many levels) suddenly it's out of bounds and they are haters? Come on.


And it's not about liking the player or not. I like the player, I don't like the cap hit and the money allocated and it will increasingly be a problem. Because let's face it. Brady is the 5th or 6th best player when we're going to be competing and for some reason we're hoping he will carry the highest cap hit on the team.


Keeping Chabot and his better salary makes way more sense than Brady if we're forced to choose one.


It's crazy how well marketing works on people. This place is like a cult now.

There's a pretty big difference

I started on the possibility of moving Chabot and it was predicated on acquiring Chychrun and Sanderson proving to be top pair material

I also haven't spent the past year crapping on Chabot

You're getting the flame under your feet because of your post history on Tkachuk

 

[trentmccleary]

I would like to see Chabot playing 23 to 25 minutes a night. He has been run ragged the last few years playing with a very weak defense group. He makes mistakes because he being overplayed.( because he had to be, someone had to be good back there). I would like to see him play with a bonafide number 2 defenseman, and a better overall group of defenseman. Also in the coming 2022-23 season he will have a nice group of forwards to make plays with for the first time in quite awhile. I would not be surprised if at the exit meetings at the end of this year he asked for the team to go out and get a top 4 defenseman. Apparently from what was being reported that he and Brady were quite vocal about improving the team in the off season. during the exit meetings.

Ice times will need to be cut significantly on defense from last year's deployment. Chabot's injury, player movement and changing ice times gave almost every D-man a lot more ice time.

LD - Chabot, Holden and Brannstrom averaged 58.5 mins per game in 2021.
LD - Chabot, Holden and Brannstrom averaged 66 mins per game in 2022.
There are only 60 mins to spread between them.

RD - Zub, Zaitsev and J.Brown averaged 55.5 mins per game in 2021.
RD - Zub, Zaitsev and Hamonic averaged 59 mins per game in 2022.
There are maybe 55-56 mins to spread between them, once the PP is factored out.

Players highlighted in Red had significant increases in ice time, or were replaced by a better player who plays a lot more in the case of J.Brown-Hamonic. Players highlighted in Blue had significant decreases in ice time.

FWIW, I would just leave things as they are and closely follow the internal growth of Sanderson, Brannstrom, Thomson and JBD.

 

[JD1]

Ice times will need to be cut significantly on defense from last year's deployment. Chabot's injury, player movement and changing ice times gave almost every D-man a lot more ice time.

LD - Chabot, Holden and Brannstrom averaged 58.5 mins per game in 2021.
LD - Chabot, Holden and Brannstrom averaged 66 mins per game in 2022.
There are only 60 mins to spread between them.

RD - Zub, Zaitsev and J.Brown averaged 55.5 mins per game in 2021.
RD - Zub, Zaitsev and Hamonic averaged 59 mins per game in 2022.
There are maybe 55-56 mins to spread between them, once the PP is factored out.

Players highlighted in Red had significant increases in ice time, or were replaced by a better player who plays a lot more in the case of J.Brown-Hamonic. Players highlighted in Blue had significant decreases in ice time.

FWIW, I would just leave things as they are and closely follow the internal growth of Sanderson, Brannstrom, Thomson and JBD.

I agree completely. 4 first rounders, rounding in to NHL form.

I'd rather watch that play out than move big assets.

 

[GoSenatorsGo]

I think the fact that we did not buyout Zaitzev during the most recent buyout window (this past week if I’m not mistaken which we were eligible for because Joesph filed for arb) makes me think there is a deal in place.

 

[Sens Vader]

If Zaitsev won't waive for Arizona that has to make things difficult.

I could also see Arizona wanting Formenton which would clearly hold things up until the Hockey Canada situation is resolved.

 

[SensFactor]

Arizona would definately want Formenton in a trade. However, until the hockey Canada stuff is settled, we have a pause on a potential swap.

To Arizona:
Formenton
Brannstrom
2024 protected 1st
Zaitsev

Ottawa:
Chychrun
Fischer