GDT: Free agency madness, brought to you by the letter G - PART 2

[Micklebot]

Has anyone considered that Chabot might end up being the cap casualty?

Sanderson drafted 5oa. Would it be surprising if he was more valuable than Chabot.

We get Chychtun this year.

23-24 the D is this

Chychrun zub
Sanderson thomson
Brannstrom jdb

So trade Chabot before his salary jumps to 10 mil a year? Certainly possible, though it might be a bit of a buzz kill for all the guys we still need to sign.

 

[JD1]

So trade Chabot before his salary jumps to 10 mil a year? Certainly possible, though it might be a bit of a buzz kill for all the guys we still need to sign.

Nothing to do with his salary per se

If we acquire Chychrun, who is an LD that can play right, we have

Chabot
Chychrun
Sanderson

If Sanderson is what we hope, who has that? No one. We still got Brannstrom and Kleven coming

I've been thinking about this for a while. Haven't posted it, don't want the shit storm response but ya, I can see it happening

 

[Crosside]

Don’t remember where I read this. But Sens interested in Bailey for cap dumb

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Giving away a 1st and a blue chip prospect isn't a huge risk at this point, and I don't see how a guy like Chychrun would be a such a bad fit that it would ruin everything. It's time to stop playing it safe.

I think it's a risk. We still need cheap ELC contracts filling out the last spots on the team going forward to stay under the cap without trading a core (or near core) player. And I do like Chychurn, but he isn't a natural RD....why play him in a position where he isn't at his most effective?

The way things are going in the economy, I am not convinced the cap is going to skyrocket in the next few years. People can barely pay for their groceries but they'll put thousands of dollars into tickets and tv packages and merch? NHL still relies a bit too much on the little guy (over tv contracts) for a big chunk of their income.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Has anyone considered that Chabot might end up being the cap casualty?

Sanderson drafted 5oa. Would it be surprising if he was more valuable than Chabot.

We get Chychtun this year.

23-24 the D is this

Chychrun zub
Sanderson thomson
Brannstrom jdb

Interesting thought. But thinking logically, if people want Chychurn so badly, one of Chabot or Sanderson likely has to go. It would be one hell of a risk to move either one of them, though. Not a risk I'd have the balls to make.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Don’t remember where I read this. But Sens interested in Bailey for cap dumb

Do you really not remember where you read it.

 

[Crosside]

Do you really not remember where you read it.

Just find it. This is Richardson in hockey news

 

[JungleBeat]

Has anyone considered that Chabot might end up being the cap casualty?

Sanderson drafted 5oa. Would it be surprising if he was more valuable than Chabot.

We get Chychtun this year.

23-24 the D is this

Chychrun zub
Sanderson thomson
Brannstrom jdb

Maybe in bizzaro world.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Just find it. This is Richardson in hockey news

So Zaitsev for Bailey

 

[Sun God Nika]

Could see Ottawa doing something like this

Islanders send a second and Bailey to ARZ.

Arz sends second + Bailey (50%) 2.5M caphit 1.75M salary for 2 years to Ottawa for Formenton.

Ottawa justifies it by saying Formenton was asking too much and they got a half ppg veteran winger who can play up the line up if needed.

Arz says they get a young top 6 forward who is arguably the fastest skater in the league and under extended team control.

Don't shoot me , I would prefer not to do this and roll a deadly top 9 with Formenton - Pinto - Joseph as our third line..... but I get the vibe Formenton isn't gonna get a contract from Ottawa.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Exactly. That's why I said trading Brown had budget trade written all over it.

That and the fact that he said that he wasn’t going to sign an extension because he wanted to test the market (aka move teams).

This team has had poor experiences with going into a season with players that haven’t already signed extensions and need trading by the TDL.

We all hoped Dorion had learned his lesson the last time we did it. The good news is that it looks like he has, but also the bad news is apparently we didn’t go into the season with a pending UFA.

Freeing up the money while the league was ripe to add money for nothing was the reason for the quickness of the deal (we have a price to add and need as much space ready), but no way were we going into the the season with a glue guy like Brown with one foot out the door.

Budget was likely a factor on ‘WHEN’ in the off season we traded him, as we didn’t want cash coming back, but it wasn’t the reason ‘WHY’ we traded him.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

That and the fact that he said that he wasn’t going to sign an extension because he wanted to test the market (aka move teams).

This team has had poor experiences with going into a season with players that haven’t already signed extensions and need trading by the TDL.

We all hoped Dorion had learned his lesson the last time we did it. The good news is that it looks like he has, but also the bad news is apparently we didn’t go into the season with a pending UFA.

Freeing up the money while the league was ripe to add money for nothing was the reason for the quickness of the deal (we have a price to add and need as much space ready), but no way were we going into the the season with a glue guy like Brown with one foot out the door.

Budget was likely a factor on ‘WHEN’ in the off season we traded him, as we didn’t want cash coming back, but it wasn’t the reason ‘WHY’ we traded him.

I don’t totally agree. I think if Dorion was allowed to spend to the cap he would of kept Brown for the season. It looks like Ottawa might finally be able to push for a playoff spot this year. A solid depth player in Brown is worth more to us then a 2nd round pick IMO.

 

[Ice-Tray]

If you think small market bad weather high tax Ottawa can replicate Tampa Bay, you're kidding yourself.

Nashville has made the playoffs 14/17 years since the lockout. They are absolutely a team worth copying.

We’ve been there done that, and it brought a few banners and a finals appearance.

Time for a new approach.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I don’t totally agree. I think if Dorion was allowed to spend to the cap he would of kept Brown for the season. It looks like Ottawa might finally be able to push for a playoff spot this year. A solid depth player in Brown is worth more to us then a 2nd round pick IMO.

We aren’t a cap team yet, but I still wouldn’t want us wasting Brown in limited minutes in the bottom six during a contract year when he’s indicated that he doesn’t want to stay.

We have prospects that need space, and we could use a few more guaranteed assets.

On a team where the non-stop talk is the chemistry and camaraderie with the players, it’s easy to do the right thing by a guy who worked his ass off for the team during a few really lean years who sees his spot on the roster taken by better players.

Brown is worth a 2nd, and he’s worth doing him a solid so he can start the contract year fresh with a new squad.

He could absolutely be a solid bottom six guy, but we don’t really need him to be that to be honest (especially at his salary), and he doesn’t want to be that either.

 

[playasRus]

Yamamoto just set the ceiling on Formentons deal.

Hoping for under 2.5M X 2 years but likely ends up being what he gets.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Yamamoto just set the ceiling on Formentons deal.

Hoping for under 2.5M X 2 years but likely ends up being what he gets.

There’s no reason why it shouldn’t be under 2.5 mil. Joseph is better than Formenton and had UFA years on his contract, and he got 3 mil.

 

[Sweatred]

Has anyone considered that Chabot might end up being the cap casualty?

Sanderson drafted 5oa. Would it be surprising if he was more valuable than Chabot.

We get Chychtun this year.

23-24 the D is this

Chychrun zub
Sanderson thomson
Brannstrom jdb

I think it’s a wonderful idea to explore trading Chabot for a EK boat load in a few years.

That type of deal would carry us forward 5-10 years and avoid another need for a brutal rebuild.

Brann and Sanderson can run a PP.

 

[Sweatred]

Could see Ottawa doing something like this

Islanders send a second and Bailey to ARZ.

Arz sends second + Bailey (50%) 2.5M caphit 1.75M salary for 2 years to Ottawa for Formenton.

Ottawa justifies it by saying Formenton was asking too much and they got a half ppg veteran winger who can play up the line up if needed.

Arz says they get a young top 6 forward who is arguably the fastest skater in the league and under extended team control.

Don't shoot me , I would prefer not to do this and roll a deadly top 9 with Formenton - Pinto - Joseph as our third line..... but I get the vibe Formenton isn't gonna get a contract from Ottawa.

I find it hard to believe that none of Z, Crouse, or JC wouldn’t be involved in any deal for Formy to AZ.

 

[Relapsing]

That and the fact that he said that he wasn’t going to sign an extension because he wanted to test the market (aka move teams).

This team has had poor experiences with going into a season with players that haven’t already signed extensions and need trading by the TDL.

We all hoped Dorion had learned his lesson the last time we did it. The good news is that it looks like he has, but also the bad news is apparently we didn’t go into the season with a pending UFA.

Freeing up the money while the league was ripe to add money for nothing was the reason for the quickness of the deal (we have a price to add and need as much space ready), but no way were we going into the the season with a glue guy like Brown with one foot out the door.

Budget was likely a factor on ‘WHEN’ in the off season we traded him, as we didn’t want cash coming back, but it wasn’t the reason ‘WHY’ we traded him.

Couldn't agree more with this.

Trading brown is exactly what dorion needed to do. We simply cannot hang onto guys like that. They need to be rotated out for picks, young players that are cost controlled or guys on league min deals.

Keep the core. Everyone else rotates out when they price themselves out. We could never afford brown being part of the long term future. And that'd ok!

 

[BondraTime]

Trading Chabot would suck, a lot, but if they grab Chycrun, it would make sense in another year or two

Would move a high priced winger first for sure, and the only guy that fits that bill is Debrincat

 

[GCK]

Trading Chabot would suck, a lot, but if they grab Chycrun, it would make sense in another year or two

Would move a high priced winger first for sure, and the only guy that fits that bill is Debrincat

The real problem is 23/24. After that the cap will be closer to 90M according to Betteman and begin normal escalating again. If we get Chykrun then we will either need to bridge Stu, move Debrincat or let Zub walk.

 

[JD1]

Trading Chabot would suck, a lot, but if they grab Chycrun, it would make sense in another year or two

Would move a high priced winger first for sure, and the only guy that fits that bill is Debrincat

The way I've thought about it is, if we acquired Chychrun, in 23-24 we could run

Chychrun
Sanderson

As our top 2 LDs. Retain Zub. We'd need one of Thomson or JBD to play top 4 RD minutes, and we'd more than recoup what we give up for Chychrun.

Lots of money to pay Zub. Assets back for Chabot.

The real problem is 23/24. After that the cap will be closer to 90M according to Betteman and begin normal escalating again. If we get Chykrun then we will either need to bridge Stu, move Debrincat or let Zub walk.

Or trade Chabot next summer before his NTC kicks in.

 

[Big Muddy]

Not in actual after tax dollars … what’s Matthew’s salary converted to Ontario Tire Money?

I don't think anyone knows the Tkachuk's finances & situation well enough to make precise statements. For all we know they could have Retirement Compensation Agreements (RCA) in place minimizing the differences in tax regimes from a high tax jurisdiction (e.g., Ontario, 53% versus Florida (40.5%). A U.S. based hockey family may just have more info than the average person on how to minimize the tax implications. Ironically Alberta's tax rate is lower than many U.S. states as well - kind of interesting. There's also currency differences that play a factor (Canadian players get paid in U.S. dollars).

To summarize, there's all kind of factors at work, so kind of difficult to predict I would think.

 

[Big Muddy]

For reference:

Furthermore, the cap is scheduled to increase by $1 million each season thru 2024-25, upon which the NHLPA debt will be paid off and the cap will be expected to take a big jump starting 2025-26 (unless league revenues continue to climb and the debt is paid off sooner).

A reminder: the $1 million increase in the salary cap for 2022-23 was previously agreed-upon between the NHL/NHLPA… today’s news means the league’s financial footing is still solid and no change needed. The cap is scheduled to go up another $1 million in 2023-24 to $83.5M.

Report: 2022-23 NHL Salary Cap To Increase By $1 Million

After staying frozen for the past three seasons due to the revenue lost during the COVID-19 pandemic, the NHL is expecting their salary cap for next season to go up by $1 million to $82.5 million.

novacapsfans.com

 

[GCK]

The way I've thought about it is, if we acquired Chychrun, in 23-24 we could run

Chychrun
Sanderson

As our top 2 LDs. Retain Zub. We'd need one of Thomson or JBD to play top 4 RD minutes, and we'd more than recoup what we give up for Chychrun.

Lots of money to pay Zub. Assets back for Chabot.


Or trade Chabot next summer before his NTC kicks in.

I like Zub but you are basically choosing Zub over Chabot which doesn’t make sense to me.