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Golden_Jet said:
I didn’t look at percentage, because Clarke is a defender.
If you’re looking at Brady for shooting percentage, when he’s near the lead every year on shots on net, due to jamming away at a loose pucks.
ok sure.
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I'm not judging Brady based on any "next gen stat". I think it'd pretty dumb to judge a player by that alone. Which was my point.

That's what you did with Brandt Clarke. "He's under 50th percentile for skating speed so we'd have no use for him."

Regardless, there's no point discussing since the proposed trade will almost certainly never happen. If you were to propose Tkachuk for Byfield + Brandt in the Kings forum all of their fans would laugh at you.
 
DackellDuck said:
We have no need for a 22 year old right-shot defenseman who's put up 25 points in 53 games as a rookie in the NHL?

He's not playing for the Kings right because they're a very good, veteran team that thinks they can compete for the cup and he's young and still prone to making mistakes.

But he's a great young player who's likely going to be a 22-24 minute a night guy that scores ~60 points per season.

What do we have in the pipeline at RD, beyond Yakemchuk? Jensen will be 35 next year while Zub is turning 30 and is good to miss 20-25 games a year.
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Brady is a premier power forward. Senators get worse immediately after that trade and in the future.
 
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DackellDuck said:
The proposed trade was Byfield + Clarke for Tkachuk, not Tkachuk for Clarke 1:1.

I doubt LA would make that trade, though.
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I think they would make it, so long as they had reason to believe that Tkachuk would be happy going to LAK. NMCs now travel with players, even if they are traded before they activate. So a team has to know that Brady is all in with them before they give up that kind of package.

It seems strange, but Byfield and Tkachuk both almost have the exact same term remaining. Byfield has 4.5 years, Tkachuk has 3.5 years. The ceiling of Byfield is enormous, but Tkachuk is a tier above him right now. Byfield has size, but isn't a power forward. Tkachuk is smaller, but plays a much bigger game. It would be a huge upgrade for the Kings. Enormous. It would be a possible king making move that could put them in contention for the cup.

I also think it would be easier for them to make because Clarke isn't playing a big role for them now that Doughty is back. So they aren't really taking away from their immediate roster to make the move.

It's a possibly Yashin for Spezza+Chara trade, where 10 years down the line people might look at it and go why would the Kings do that - but if you look at it in their shoes today, I think it would be a very compelling move. Kopitar and Doughty both are nearing the end of their careers, a good chunk of their core is in that 28-35+ type range. To me, it makes sense for them to value pushing to win in the next 1-2 years a lot higher than the 5 years after that.
 
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Hindsight is 20/20 and keep in mind i am only saying this in hindsight would Korpi at 4million, forsberg and merilainen been as good or better trio than ullmark at 5 million this year? And we are paying a million for korpi to play in boston and 8 million for the next 4 years for ullmark plus one million for korpi to play in boston.
The money saved could have gone towards helping the team get better forwards.
Also if in hindsight we didnt acquire perron and amadio at a total of 6.6 million maybe we could have gone after marchessault or debrusk or Toffoli rather than Amadio and Perron.

I know its all hindsight and of course you could say all kinds of things over the last 8 years but if you just look at last summer. The bottom line is I wish we had known Merilainen was this good but nobody knew it.
 
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Senovision said:
Hindsight is 20/20 and keep in mind i am only saying this in hindsight would Korpi at 4million, forsberg and merilainen been as good or better trio than ullmark at 5 million this year? And we are paying a million for korpi to play in boston and 8 million for the next 4 years for ullmark plus one million for korpi to play in boston.
The money saved could have gone towards helping the team get better forwards.
Also if in hindsight we didnt acquire perron and amadio at a total of 6.6 million maybe we could have gone after marchessault or debrusk or Toffoli rather than Amadio and Perron.

I know its all hindsight and of course you could say all kinds of things over the last 8 years but if you just look at last summer. The bottom line is I wish we had known Merilainen was this good but nobody knew it.
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No, they are not better going with Korpisalo.
 
ReginKarlssonLehner said:
Yea I see that or: Lafreniere+Cuylle+1st for Brady

Originally I wanted:

Tkachuk+Norris for Kyrou+Thomas
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They aren't moving Thomas in a Tkachuk trade. It is too unbalanced from a team build with what they already have. Plus, Thomas is basically an adopted Tkachuk. He lived with them at one point.

If Schenn would waive to come here and play a bigger role, I could see Tkachuk+Norris for Kyrou+Schenn as a base, and then Ottawa gets a few top picks or prospects.

I'm not saying that is a compelling return, but looking at the makeup of St.Louis that is what I would expect.
 
Senovision said:
Hindsight is 20/20 and keep in mind i am only saying this in hindsight would Korpi at 4million, forsberg and merilainen been as good or better trio than ullmark at 5 million this year? And we are paying a million for korpi to play in boston and 8 million for the next 4 years for ullmark plus one million for korpi to play in boston.
The money saved could have gone towards helping the team get better forwards.
Also if in hindsight we didnt acquire perron and amadio at a total of 6.6 million maybe we could have gone after marchessault or debrusk or Toffoli rather than Amadio and Perron.

I know its all hindsight and of course you could say all kinds of things over the last 8 years but if you just look at last summer. The bottom line is I wish we had known Merilainen was this good but nobody knew it.
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If we look back at the beginning of the season a lot of the talk was getting Ullmark signed long term & people were afraid he would leave & not re-sign. We are married to him now & will be for the next 3 seasons & I'm quite sure he will bounce back, we need to get healthy asap for this team to return to their winning ways. This is a team that needs all hands on deck & injuries to key players can derail this team quickly.

I preferred Merilainen to Sogaard from the beginning, but he is only 22 yrs old & most of the time it takes goalies much longer to achieve NHL success, but that is not to say he cannot become the #1 goalie in time. We have also seen Forsberg at his worse over the yrs & it's difficult to depend solely on him although he has also has some very good games. I expect that at the end of this season if they don't trade Forsberg, it's likely he could walk & they promote Merilainen to be the backup or offer Forsberg a much cheaper 1 yr deal or go out & find a cheap NHL goalie. Personally, I would promote Merilainen, he just seems NHL ready now.
 
Senovision said:
Hindsight is 20/20 and keep in mind i am only saying this in hindsight would Korpi at 4million, forsberg and merilainen been as good or better trio than ullmark at 5 million this year? And we are paying a million for korpi to play in boston and 8 million for the next 4 years for ullmark plus one million for korpi to play in boston.
The money saved could have gone towards helping the team get better forwards.
Also if in hindsight we didnt acquire perron and amadio at a total of 6.6 million maybe we could have gone after marchessault or debrusk or Toffoli rather than Amadio and Perron.

I know its all hindsight and of course you could say all kinds of things over the last 8 years but if you just look at last summer. The bottom line is I wish we had known Merilainen was this good but nobody knew it.
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Korpisalo has been sheltered in a hard backup role there, and no matter how much Swayman has struggled, Boston has refused to lean in to Korpisalo more. He's putting up almost an identical save percentage to last year in Ottawa even though he has a better W/L ratio. He has a long career of mostly the same barring a few outliers. He is basically what Forsberg is. When you look at the times this season the team was successful, it was mostly during Ullmark's lights out period and then Merilainen's lights out period both putting up close to Vezina caliber numbers. Struggled on either ends of those runs. Don't think the team would be anywhere near where they are without that level of goaltending for those periods.
 
Sens9292 said:
Brady is a premier power forward. Senators get worse immediately after that trade and in the future.
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Yeah the team would get worse, but only for the next 3 years, and definitely not in the future.

Does anyone really think Tkachuk is going to re-sign in Canada when his contract is up?

We're almost certainly talking about a 3 year rental here. Are we going to win a cup in the next 3 years? I doubt it.

Have to take a long-term perspective for once. Not doing so is exactly how we got in this mess in the first place.
 
Senovision said:
Hindsight is 20/20 and keep in mind i am only saying this in hindsight would Korpi at 4million, forsberg and merilainen been as good or better trio than ullmark at 5 million this year? And we are paying a million for korpi to play in boston and 8 million for the next 4 years for ullmark plus one million for korpi to play in boston.
The money saved could have gone towards helping the team get better forwards.
Also if in hindsight we didnt acquire perron and amadio at a total of 6.6 million maybe we could have gone after marchessault or debrusk or Toffoli rather than Amadio and Perron.

I know its all hindsight and of course you could say all kinds of things over the last 8 years but if you just look at last summer. The bottom line is I wish we had known Merilainen was this good but nobody knew it.
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No Korpisalo sucks. .892 SV% in Boston this year.

Ullmark needs to step up his game and stop getting injured, but he's still got a .912 SV% through 27 games, which is top 15 in the league.
 
You are right, but the issue isn't just re-signing - it's whether he will even stay the 3 years.

If we miss the playoffs again next year, there is no way he isn't asking out after 8 years of no playoffs. His NMC ensures that our return will be a lot closer to Chytil, a 1st, and a B prospect than what is being proposed here.

They are never going to completely repair the damage done to the team with how Dorion and Melnyk went all in to try and save money and later polish the team for a sale - but moving Tkachuk could at least put a dent into some problems with the organizational depth. They will get back a headline player who is a tier or two below Tkachuk, like Lafreniere, and then they will get back 4-5 A and B-level assets.

Holding on to him beyond July 1st is very risky, unless they have some level of certainty that he is willing to be even more patient than he already has been. Which I doubt will be the case. He got a taste of competing at the top level, he's not staying to play more meaningless regular season games in Kanata when he has the leverage to go to a big market team who will have no limitations building a contender around him.
 
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frightenedinmatenum2 said:
You are right, but the issue isn't just re-signing - it's whether he will even stay the 3 years.

If we miss the playoffs again next year, there is no way he isn't asking out after 8 years of no playoffs. His NMC ensures that our return will be a lot closer to Chytil, a 1st, and a B prospect than what is being proposed here.

They are never going to completely repair the damage done to the team with how Dorion and Melnyk went all in to try and save money and later polish the team for a sale - but moving Tkachuk could at least put a dent into some problems with the organizational depth. They will get back a headline player who is a tier or two below Tkachuk, like Lafreniere, and then they will get back 4-5 A and B-level assets.

Holding on to him beyond July 1st is very risky, unless they have some level of certainty that he is willing to be even more patient than he already has been. Which I doubt will be the case. He got a taste of competing at the top level, he's not staying to play more meaningless regular season games in Kanata when he has the leverage to go to a big market team who will have no limitations building a contender around him.
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The issue I see for Staios is that I don't think Brady would ever ask out prior to July 1st. It just doesn't make sense for him to give Staios the option to deal him to the highest bidder with no say on where he ends up. Would be in his best interest to only do so after July 1st, as he could then dictate his destination thanks to his full NMC.

Sens fans should know better than any fanbase in the league the damage a NTC can do to a trade return after Spezza and Heatley. I think you're absolutely right that if he were to ask out after July 1st we'd get bent over in a trade return.

It's not out of the realm of possibility that Brady is fine playing out his contract here and then leaving via UFA, as he'd then get to go to wherever he wants without the potential backlash of having been first traded to some other team down south for a big package of assets just to leave at the first opportunity, but even if that's the case I don't think renting Brady for 3 years is in the best interest of this organization long-term.

Do I think Staios has the stones to trade away the captain of this team without him asking out first? I really don't know. He hasn't shown any kind of ruthlessness to this point, if anything he's been overly hesitant to make changes, stressing stability and patience. Might just do the easy thing, which is kick the can down the road.
 
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