Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[GCK]

Next year’s cap ceiling is (currently) pegged at $92.5 m.

It’s likely to be higher once the league and PA talk in February. If the elect to leave it at 92.5M and have the big jump to 100M+ the next year then you just lower Giroux to a 1 year 1M contract with 3.5-4M easily attainable bonuses for games played.

 

[Cosmix]

I respect your assessment of current state. I love Grieg's grit and pest factor, something the Sens are lacking, or at least it has yet to be demonstrated my many other than say Brady.

The issue I see with Grieg is his puck handling / play-making. It's just not there, at least not to where he should be slotted anywhere near the top 6. IMO, Grieg has been misplaced there for much of the season, and he is nowhere near ready for that. It remains to be seen if he can improve his play making, but way too many plays die on his stick. I have been a proponent of playing him no higher than bottom 6, to give him a chance to figure things out. Placing him in the top 6 against oppenent top defensive players effectively neuters him.

As for trading Grieg, I would not like to see him moved as I think that might be giving up on him too early. That said, it is fair to observe that a GM who has too much of a similar asset and little cap wiggle room may be forced to give up something good to get something good (needed).

I am not opposed to trading Greig; however, I am not looking to get rid of him.

 

[Cosmix]

It’s likely to be higher once the league and PA talk in February. If the elect to leave it at 92.5M and have the big jump to 100M+ the next year then you just lower Giroux to a 1 year 1M contract with 3.5-4M easily attainable bonuses for games played.

I doubt that Giroux would accept a 1 year $1M contract with bonuses; I think he would want at least $5M in guaranteed compensation. He has slowed down quite a bit and at his age the decline could speed up.

 

[UglyPuckling]

It’s likely to be higher once the league and PA talk in February. If the elect to leave it at 92.5M and have the big jump to 100M+ the next year then you just lower Giroux to a 1 year 1M contract with 3.5-4M easily attainable bonuses for games played.

There’s a fair amount of “ifs” in what you stated. We don’t know what the cap will be 2 years from now. I heard rumblings from owners just before the last BoG meeting about the current U.S. to Cdn exchange rate which is currently 1.44 Cdn dollars for 1 U.S. dollar. Canadian teams pay player salaries in $U.S. I’m not a clairvoyant & can’t pretend to be able to predict the future, although I suppose it's worth noting that currency exchange has been a factor in the past. We will also have RFA players (Pinto and Ostapchuk) needing new contracts and UFAs (e.g. Jensen) to resign or replace in 2 years.

Bonuses count against the cap the year of the contract or the following year (bonus carryover). I’ll copy & paste from a previous post.

Yes, performance bonuses for NHL players who are 35 or older and sign a one-year contract count against the salary cap:

• Explanation
  Performance bonuses are not guaranteed, but they are added to the final cap hit for the season in which they are earned. If the total cap hit, including bonuses, exceeds the salary cap, the excess is a bonus carryover that counts against the cap in the following season

 

[GCK]

There’s a fair amount of “ifs” in what you stated. We don’t know what the cap will be 2 years from now. I heard rumblings from owners just before the last BoG meeting about the current U.S. to Cdn exchange rate which is currently 1.44 Cdn dollars for 1 U.S. dollar. Canadian teams pay player salaries in $U.S. I’m not a clairvoyant & can’t pretend to be able to predict the future, although I suppose it's worth noting that currency exchange has been a factor in the past. We will also have RFA players (Pinto and Ostapchuk) needing new contracts and UFAs (e.g. Jensen) to resign or replace in 2 years.

Bonuses count against the cap the year of the contract or the following year (bonus carryover). I’ll copy & paste from a previous post.

Yes, performance bonuses for NHL players who are 35 or older and sign a one-year contract count against the salary cap:

• Explanation
  Performance bonuses are not guaranteed, but they are added to the final cap hit for the season in which they are earned. If the total cap hit, including bonuses, exceeds the salary cap, the excess is a bonus carryover that counts against the cap in the following season

7 Billion in Revenues this year. CDN dollar will hurt a little but it’s still a 100M cap in a couple years.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

It's strange because it's as if he has no confidence with the puck.

Reminds me a bit of Pinto before he finally broke out.

Its an unforgiving league for young players to get their confidence back.

He has been quite good with the 4th line .. in that kind of role. We need bottom 6 players and he has room to grow to more of a 2/3 tweener.

 

[NyQuil]

Its an unforgiving league for young players to get their confidence back.

He has been quite good with the 4th line .. in that kind of role. We need bottom 6 players and he has room to grow to more of a 2/3 tweener.

I remember seeing him at the World Championships and he was making a fair number of high skill and high IQ offensive plays.

Hopefully the shortie helps much as Pinto looks more like himself after getting the monkey off his back.

 

[Tuna99]

After last night still think the trade the Sens big need is for more offense from the Backend. Zub will help with that a bit, but theres just a lack of push from the D when they need it and Chabot and Sandy could used some help getting the puck up the ice.

Timmy needing a winger also important, but offense from the depence is more importanter

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Its an unforgiving league for young players to get their confidence back.

He has been quite good with the 4th line .. in that kind of role. We need bottom 6 players and he has room to grow to more of a 2/3 tweener.

I remember seeing him at the World Championships and he was making a fair number of high skill and high IQ offensive plays.

Hopefully the shortie helps much as Pinto looks more like himself after getting the monkey off his back.

I feel like he's coming around similar to Pinto. Can't be easy being bounced all over the lineup, but 4th line role atm seems to be working to get his game back.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Would anyone trade Amadio to the Kraken for Burakovsky if the Kraken attach an asset? We do take the risk for a much uglier contract, but Burakovsky has proven in the past he's a very skilled and productive winger. Stu could revive his career.

 

[bicboi64]

Would anyone trade Amadio to the Kraken for Burakovsky if the Kraken attach an asset? We do take the risk for a much uglier contract, but Burakovsky has proven in the past he's a very skilled and productive winger. Stu could revive his career.

It depends on the asset because 2 more years after this season at $5.5 million could be ugly. Would be nice to add another 1st or 2nd rounder to our cupboards, but not sure moving Burakovsky would take that.

If they move Amadio to Seattle, I wouldn't even mind Gourde coming back. He could be extended at a reasonable deal and even if he walks, we have more capspace to play with next year.

 

[BigRig4]

Would anyone trade Amadio to the Kraken for Burakovsky if the Kraken attach an asset? We do take the risk for a much uglier contract, but Burakovsky has proven in the past he's a very skilled and productive winger. Stu could revive his career.

I think Amadio might be a worse contract than Burakovsky tbh

 

[GCK]

I think Amadio might be a worse contract than Burakovsky tbh

Amadio is doing fine. Not sure why you think his contract is bad.

 

[BigRig4]

Amadio is doing fine. Not sure why you think his contract is bad.

He’s on pace for ~7 goals. He can’t skate or drive play. He’s good defensively but that’s about it. That’s the type of role you look to fill on a minimum contract.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Amadio is doing fine. Not sure why you think his contract is bad.

I feel like he has a little more offense to give, and didn't think he played particularly well last night, but in general he's been fine.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

He’s on pace for ~7 goals. He can’t skate or drive play. He’s good defensively but that’s about it. That’s the type of role you look to fill on a minimum contract.

Also good on breakouts .. he is strong positionally and in the right spots in support defensively and offensively. Part of a very effective 3rd line now.

 

[BigRig4]

Also good on breakouts .. he is strong positionally and in the right spots in support defensively and offensively. Part of a very effective 3rd line now.

Agreed with all the above and I do actually like the player, I just think those attributes generally command quite a bit less in terms of contract.

 

[GCK]

I feel like he has a little more offense to give, and didn't think he played particularly well last night, but in general he's been fine.

Zero points in his first 8 games, 9 in the last 24 games, all at even strength. He had 27 each of his 2 years with Vegas, I think he’s come as advertised.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I don't particularly like the idea of moving a skater out right now when the team is just finding chemistry.

Forsberg is different, because as the backup he isn't playing every night and can only have so much impact.

 

[BigRig4]

I don't particularly like the idea of moving a skater out right now when the team is just finding chemistry.

Forsberg is different, because as the backup he isn't playing every night and can only have so much impact.

My fear is that this team finally got its confidence and if we move out a guy now it could be a Kyle Turris 2.0 domino effect on the psyche of the team.

 

[NyQuil]

Agreed with all the above and I do actually like the player, I just think those attributes generally command quite a bit less in terms of contract.

We're paying that Stanley Cup ring premium.

It's nice that he does all the little things right - a few more big things would be nice though.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Zero points in his first 8 games, 9 in the last 24 games, all at even strength. He had 27 each of his 2 years with Vegas, I think he’s come as advertised.

I would agree generally, but he's also paced at above 18 goals per 82 the last 3 years, and I think he's capable of putting a few more pucks in the net. Big part of the appeal for me over Joseph was him pacing at almost double the goal scoring per 82 over the last 3 years.

 

[bicboi64]

My fear is that this team finally got its confidence and if we move out a guy now it could be a Kyle Turris 2.0 domino effect on the psyche of the team.

Pretty much this. I'd say don't touch what's working. If we see some bargains available with players on waivers or management wants to take a risk on an existing FA that hasn't signed but randomly is an option sure, but so far the team is getting the right type of play from every part of the roster (depth scoring, top line stepping up, depth defenders performing, goalie playing lights out etc.,)

Unless of course someone offers an overpay for someone like Amadio lmao

 

[WallyD]

Its an unforgiving league for young players to get their confidence back.

He has been quite good with the 4th line .. in that kind of role. We need bottom 6 players and he has room to grow to more of a 2/3 tweener.

You are absolutely right about the unforgivable aspect of the NHL. Typically that's what the AHL is good for, but not all players should develop there. My gut feeling is he has more skill than he has been able to demonstrate while positioned too high in the lineup. . He should be able to develop and find greater confidence lower in the lineup, as he seems to be doing of late. What frustrates me is that coaches seem to be way too quick to force him too high up in the lineup. Let him find his groove on the 3rd/4th and progress upward as he develops. I hold much promise for him, especially when you consider he has those rare inherent qualities you just can't teach or force - pure grit, spunk, nastiness. I don't want to see him ruined, his confidence completely destroyed. Position him for success and afford him the time he needs. IMO, he's a diamond in the rough. Keep him in the right spot so fans don't sour on him. Btw - it's not his issue if he is not properly positioned for success.

 

[PlayOn]

Amadio has been a good playoff performer, so honestly if that continues here (if we make it) that alone will make that contract worthwhile.