Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I don't think EK is even the issue. There's a spot where he would fit and a role that sort of needs to be filled on this team with someone on the right able to provide some offense. He's matured to the point personality concerns are just silly.

The issue is the salary.

 

[Dionysus]

Sanderson has been great on the PP this year.

3rd in the league among D.

He has the highest % of his points as PP in the league for D with over 10 games played, which is another issue entirely.

Matches what I have seen out there. He makes good quick high percentage passes. Puts it on net when needed. Walks the line well and can open up lanes with his feet. Great at holding the line. Also not lackadaisical going back for pucks to start a breakout. Not seeing the backbreaking shorties against as much as when Chabot was at the top.

EK is usually pretty static on the powerplay. Makes high risk, high reward passes more often.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I don't think EK is even the issue. There's a spot where he would fit and a role that sort of needs to be filled on this team with someone on the right able to provide some offense. He's matured to the point personality concerns are just silly.

The issue is the salary.

I don't think the issue is just his salary.

We have Zub and Jensen occupying two of the three RD spots for at least this year and next year, and Jensen looks like someone who is worth re-signing.

Then we have Yakemchuk coming through the pipeline. He's a late birthday and will be playing pro hockey next season, possibly in Ottawa if his pre-season was any indication.

As far as I am concerned the RD spots are locked down for the next couple years, possibly longer if Jensen maintains his strong play and agrees to re-sign.

Then there's the role fit. As mentioned, Sanderson and Chabot can run our powerplays no problem and Yakemchuk makes his living on the man advantage. There's zero need to add a one-dimensional offensive defenseman to this roster.

 

[Stylizer1]

Karl is just ok on the PP. For how good he is offensively, he tilts the ice best at even strength. Is he better than Sandy and Chabot on the powerplay? Probably, but I don't think it's clear-cut. Sanderson has been struggling, but he is still very good up top on the powerplay. EK would also be good fora few no-effort shorties against.

Sanderson would benefit from Karlsson.. our top pair.

I'm sure Dubas thought EK would rack up points passing to Crosby and Malkin, but that didn't pan out.

You bring up a good point about Sanderson and Chabot losing PP time. There's diminishing returns in acquiring an offensive D when we already have a couple guys more than capable of running our powerplays.

Maybe EK does succeed here and puts up 60-70 points, but that might mean Sanderson/Chabot get 10-20 less points from not getting the same kind of PP time.

If we're adding a D we'd be better off looking at another Jensen/Zub type defensive D that doesn't need PP time or offensive opportunity to provide value to the team.

Who's running our pp now? and how many pp goals do they have this season?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I don't think the issue is just his salary.

We have Zub and Jensen occupying two of the three RD spots for at least this year and next year, and Jensen looks like someone who is worth re-signing.

Then we have Yakemchuk coming through the pipeline. He's a late birthday and will be playing pro hockey next season, possibly in Ottawa if his pre-season was any indication.

As far as I am concerned the RD spots are locked down for the next couple years, possibly longer if Jensen maintains his strong play and agrees to re-sign.

Then there's the role fit. As mentioned, Sanderson and Chabot can run our powerplays no problem and Yakemchuk makes his living on the man advantage. There's zero need to add a one-dimensional offensive defenseman to this roster.

It's not a slam dunk, but I do think for this year he could obviously be 1 of the 3 RD and serves a role as an offensive guy that none of the existing RD do and has been a bit of an issue from both sides 5on5. Yak is likely to at least be starting in Belleville next year, which helps alleviate the crunch in year 2, at least to start. You are right that Jensen looks worth extending and muddies the water, but for now, he's still set to expire, and Zub the year after, so the next few years of RD is uncertain. Also, with Zub being so injury prone, that's been a bit of an issue for the team in general and could see them move off him because of it. Just musing, not really throwing my weight behind the idea.

 

[BondraTime]

Sanderson would benefit from Karlsson.. our top pair.


Who's running our pp now? and how many pp goals do they have this season?

Sanderson, he's 3rd in the league in points on the PP for D, and the same amount of goals as EK.

EK averages ~2 PP goals a season the past 10

 

[bicboi64]

It's not a slam dunk, but I do think for this year he could obviously be 1 of the 3 RD and serves a role as an offensive guy that none of the existing RD do and has been a bit of an issue from both sides 5on5. Yak is likely to at least be starting in Belleville next year, which helps alleviate the crunch in year 2, at least to start. You are right that Jensen looks worth extending and muddies the water, but for now, he's still set to expire, and Zub the year after, so the next few years of RD is uncertain. Also, with Zub being so injury prone, that's been a bit of an issue for the team in general and could see them move off him because of it. Just musing, not really throwing my weight behind the idea.

I don't really think EK would be a good fit on the team, I'm just so tired of the injuries that I'll take anyone at this point and the name/aura is making me want him, even if he doesn't have a role on the team lol

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I don't really think EK would be a good fit on the team, I'm just so tired of the injuries that I'll take anyone at this point and the name/aura is making me want him, even if he doesn't have a role on the team lol

I really do think he would be in a smaller role, but not at 10 mil, or 7 mil, so doesn't really fit because of that, but I actually think he's basically what the team needs. A guy that can provide some 5on5 offense that plays RD. We have 4 very much defensive minded guys on the right, although Jensen has a little more swagger than I expected. Being such a chill kind of dude imo would be a good veteran influence too.

 

[Stylizer1]

Sanderson, he's 3rd in the league in points on the PP.

we you not like our d to be able to be a threat to score actual goals?

Karlsson on Sanderson would be one of the best pair in the league.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Sanderson would benefit from Karlsson.. our top pair.

Gosh no he wouldn't. It might create more space for him, but he's clearly capable of running a PP.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Gosh no he wouldn't. It might create more space for him, but he's clearly capable of running a PP.

Probably meant more 5on5 partners. EK was never a great PP guy anyways. In this never gonna happen scenario, PP1 would be Sandy, PP2 would be Karl imo.

 

[DackellDuck]

I don't think the issue is just his salary.

We have Zub and Jensen occupying two of the three RD spots for at least this year and next year, and Jensen looks like someone who is worth re-signing.

Then we have Yakemchuk coming through the pipeline. He's a late birthday and will be playing pro hockey next season, possibly in Ottawa if his pre-season was any indication.

As far as I am concerned the RD spots are locked down for the next couple years, possibly longer if Jensen maintains his strong play and agrees to re-sign.

Then there's the role fit. As mentioned, Sanderson and Chabot can run our powerplays no problem and Yakemchuk makes his living on the man advantage. There's zero need to add a one-dimensional offensive defenseman to this roster.

I don’t think Zub will be here next season. He’s injury prone and I think they’d extend Jensen over him, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s traded for something like a 2nd and 3rd at the draft. Plus he hasn’t played well for a while.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I don’t think Zub will be here next season. He’s injury prone and I think they’d extend Jensen over him, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s traded for something like a 2nd and 3rd at the draft. Plus he hasn’t played well for a while.

Jensen is 34, Zub is 29.

I know which one I'd prefer to extend if given the choice, but I'd be fine re-signing both to short-term deals if their contracts were up today.

 

[DackellDuck]

Jensen is 34, Zub is 29.

I know which one I'd prefer to extend if given the choice, but I'd be fine re-signing both to short-term deals if their contracts were up today.

I’m guessing that because he’s 29, Zub will be looking for more than a short term deal. It’ll be his last chance to cash in.

With his injury problems, mediocre play recently, and Yakemchuk coming, I think they’ll steer clear.

 

[DackellDuck]

The problem with a Karlsson trade is that Norris would have to go the other way, and with what Pinto is showing, what makes anyone want to trust him as the 2nd line C?

Pinto has to do a lot more to even consider it.

 

[Stylizer1]

Probably meant more 5on5 partners. EK was never a great PP guy anyways. In this never gonna happen scenario, PP1 would be Sandy, PP2 would be Karl imo.

Karlsson averages 29 points a season on the PP.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Karlsson averages 29 points a season on the PP.

Huh, well then. Never seemed like that was something he was very effective at relative to his high skill level otherwise. Either way, I'd still expect him PP2 behind Sandy in this never gonna happen scenario.

 

[DackellDuck]

Huh, well then. Never seemed like that was something he was very effective at relative to his high skill level otherwise. Either way, I'd still expect him PP2 behind Sandy in this never gonna happen scenario.

In the never gonna happen scenario, I’m not so sure. It wouldn’t be so bad to have Sanderson focus on playing like Jacob Slavin and free up even more 5v5 minutes for him…

Although giving Karlsson control and free rein on unit 2 wouldn’t be bad either.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

In the never gonna happen scenario, I’m not so sure. It wouldn’t be so bad to have Sanderson focus on playing like Jacob Slavin and free up even more 5v5 minutes for him…

Although giving Karlsson control and free rein on unit 2 wouldn’t be bad either.

I could see that argument having some merit, but I guess we'll never know.

 

[DackellDuck]

I could see that argument having some merit, but I guess we'll never know.

Someone could track down Alfie at the Rocklcliffe Tennis Club in July and ask him how he would’ve played them…

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I just want to say that I way overpaid for Karlsson at the 2027 trade deadline in Franchise mode because I had fog of war on and never scouted him. By the start of the next season, he was in healthy scratch territory, so I convinced him that to prolong his NHL career he had to become a 4th line grinding winger. He took to it extremely well and played another 2 or 3 years in the NHL and AHL.

So I think all this talk about him being lazy or difficult is overblown.

 

[ottawagm]

At this point we could trade Zub and Perron for Karlsson at 8 and come out even with Ostapchuk or Reinhardt taking Perron's spot.

 

[Micklebot]

Huh, well then. Never seemed like that was something he was very effective at relative to his high skill level otherwise. Either way, I'd still expect him PP2 behind Sandy in this never gonna happen scenario.

Probably never seemed that way because it doesn't appear to be true. Still not bad on the PP mind you,

Season​	Team​	GP​	Total PP Points​	Per 82​
20092010​	OTT​	59​	10​	13.90​
20102011​	OTT​	75​	21​	22.96​
20112012​	OTT​	80​	28​	28.70​
20122013​	OTT​	17​	4​	19.29​
20132014​	OTT​	82​	31​	31.00​
20142015​	OTT​	82​	30​	30.00​
20152016​	OTT​	80​	26​	26.65​
20162017​	OTT​	77​	27​	28.75​
20172018​	OTT​	71​	18​	20.79​
20182019​	S.J​	52​	20​	31.54​
20192020​	S.J​	55​	13​	19.38​
20202021​	S.J​	51​	8​	12.86​
20212022​	S.J​	48​	10​	17.08​
20222023​	S.J​	80​	27​	27.68​
20232024​	PIT​	82​	17​	17.00​
20242025​	PIT​	24​	6​	20.50​
​	​	​	​	​
Total​	​	1015​	296​	23.91​

 

[Stylizer1]

Probably never seemed that way because it doesn't appear to be true. Still not bad on the PP mind you,

Season​	Team​	GP​	Total PP Points​	Per 82​
20092010​	OTT​	59​	10​	13.90​
20102011​	OTT​	75​	21​	22.96​
20112012​	OTT​	80​	28​	28.70​
20122013​	OTT​	17​	4​	19.29​
20132014​	OTT​	82​	31​	31.00​
20142015​	OTT​	82​	30​	30.00​
20152016​	OTT​	80​	26​	26.65​
20162017​	OTT​	77​	27​	28.75​
20172018​	OTT​	71​	18​	20.79​
20182019​	S.J​	52​	20​	31.54​
20192020​	S.J​	55​	13​	19.38​
20202021​	S.J​	51​	8​	12.86​
20212022​	S.J​	48​	10​	17.08​
20222023​	S.J​	80​	27​	27.68​
20232024​	PIT​	82​	17​	17.00​
20242025​	PIT​	24​	6​	20.50​
​	​	​	​	​
Total​	​	1015​	296​	23.91​

Making it per 82 does not reflect his actual numbers but a hypothetical conclusion. Per 82 he could of had more or less.

 

[Micklebot]

Making it per 82 does not reflect his actual numbers but a hypothetical conclusion. Per 82 he could of had more or less.

He can't have more than his per 82 numbers unless he plays more games than there are in a season, you said he averaged 29 a season, he averaged 18, I was trying to be generous in interpreting your post and give you the benefit of the doubt, but I see that was a mistake.