GDT: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 3

[stempniaksen]

Well it wasn’t Sens didn’t like package, it was ADC wouldn’t extend there.

Would you rather have the 2,3,4 and 7th round pick Or Zaitsev and Murray, and 9 million in less cap space?

I'd rather have let Cody Ceci walk as an unqualified RFA and kept the picks traded for Murray.

Some of that is the power of hindsight, a lot of it isn't.

 

[2CHAINZ]

Yet, he's exactly what we need and would be our 6th best forward right away. Since trading Nick Paul and Connor Brown we have been in dire need of 2-way forwards good at ES/EV

Yes, we should have kept Brown and/or Nick Paul. Tatar sucks.

 

[Micklebot]

Well it wasn’t Sens didn’t like package, it was ADC wouldn’t extend there.

Would you rather have the 2,3,4 and 7th round pick Or Zaitsev and Murray, and 9 million in less cap space?

So we accept that Gross was correct in reporting the package, but incorrect that wrt NYI believing they could sign DBC, and that the sens preferred Dets package over the NYI one?

Seems people want to treat rumours like a buffet, only takes the dishes you like, pick and choose to make your personal rumour of choice.

I'm not going to treat any rumour as an absolute truth, but I don't think mixing and matching the parts you like works.

We apparently granted at least three teams permission to talk, Det obviously being one.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

People in here sure do think a lot of players suck. Gonna be a shame when they are watching Parker Kelly and Zach MacEwen play a regular shift for their favourite team.

Sens have some of the worst depth in the league and yet this group of beggars are gonna be choosers when it comes to quality middle-six NHL depth.

Yup. I'm willing to bet we are in trouble if those two are penciled in for full time roles and aren't seen as 12/13/14, while Joseph and Smejkal are our full time 3rd line wingers. That's not a good enough group of bottom 6 wingers as a whole and the only other candidates seem to be an unlikely Sokolov arrival or Greig being ready for full time. And hope the top 6 is healthy.

As it stands now, it's a major concern imo and very similar to last year where depth issues were an issue within the first 2 weeks.

 

[Golden_Jet]

So we accept that Gross was correct in reporting the package, but incorrect that wrt NYI believing they could sign DBC, and that the sens preferred Dets package over the NYI one?

Seems people want to treat rumours like a buffet, only takes the dishes you like, pick and choose to make your personal rumour of choice.

I'm not going to treat any rumour as an absolute truth, but I don't think mixing and matching the parts you like works.

We apparently granted at least three teams permission to talk, Det obviously being one.

Yes you can believe Gross was correct and yes you can believe DBC turned down the extension there.

 

[SpezDispenser]

1st vs 1st : ???
Pageau >> Kubalik
Wahlstrom >> Sebrango + 4th

If that package sucks, imagine the one we got. I'd need some explanations here

1st in 2026 vs 1st next year is the first shitty thing.

Pageau is not at all necessarily better than Kubalik - who has scored 30 goals and 20 goals in his young career - as well as 17 goals in 56 which projects to another 20 goal season. So in the 4 seasons he's played he has 2 legit 20 goal seasons and 1 season where if he had played 82, he would be projected to get 20.

Pageau is good, but he is expensive for a 3rd liner and doesn't fill the need we had when DBC left.

Wahlstrom is better than Sebrango and the 4th as of right now, but I have zero need for him on the team personally. He's a meh piece.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Yes, we should have kept Brown and/or Nick Paul. Tatar sucks.

Tatar sucks in the playoffs but is good in the regular season.

He's someone that contenders shouldn't want to pay decent money, but a team like ours that needs all the help we can get for next season just to make the playoffs should absolutely be interested in him.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Tatar sucks in the playoffs but is good in the regular season.

He's someone that contenders shouldn't want to pay decent money, but a team like ours that needs all the help we can get for next season just to make the playoffs should absolutely be interested in him.

Yeah, exactly. We need to MAKE the playoffs before we can assess who is good or not good when we get there.

 

[2CHAINZ]

Tatar sucks in the playoffs but is good in the regular season.

He's someone that contenders shouldn't want to pay decent money, but a team like ours that needs all the help we can get for next season just to make the playoffs should absolutely be interested in him.

How much money and years are you guys willing to offer Tatar?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Tatar sucks in the playoffs but is good in the regular season.

He's someone that contenders shouldn't want to pay decent money, but a team like ours that needs all the help we can get for next season just to make the playoffs should absolutely be interested in him.

It's pretty hard to dispute that Tatar wouldn't be an upgrade on all 4 of our penciled in bottom 6 wingers right now. He's better than Joseph, Smejkal, MacEwan & Kelly. Maybe Smejkal proves us wrong, but he's an unknown.

 

[Hale The Villain]

How much money and years are you guys willing to offer Tatar?

1 year max, money doesn't matter, as long as there's enough left over to sign Pinto.

 

[bert]

Yet, he's exactly what we need and would be our 6th best forward right away. Since trading Nick Paul and Connor Brown we have been in dire need of 2-way forwards good at ES/EV

We don't need Kane and Tarasenko and spend more assets to fix our cap situation (Zaitsev and 75% of Murray contracts already cost 2nd + 3rd + 4th + 7th to dump)



1st vs 1st : ???
Pageau >> Kubalik
Wahlstrom >> Sebrango + 4th

If that package sucks, imagine the one we got. I'd need some explanations here



Defense has been a weakness for a while and now that we finally have a full top-4, people want to trade Chabot? We don't need more offensive forwards.... particularly one that will be very expensive.

I mean, we just went thought the DeBrincat saga... I thought it was clear that it was not the "right move" for the team?



My post was hypothetical, IF what Micklebot reported was true : "the Sens didn't like the package"

This is one of those instances where no one is actually watching Tatar play in a real hockey game and everyone is looking at a chart. He is nothing like Paul or Brown..... He has played on a line with incredible possession centermen. Danault, Hischier and Hughes... He is not a defensive stalworth in any regard he doesnt kill penalties. He has been absolutely putrid come playoff time too.

Pageau is not a better player at his cap hit than Kubalik at this point not even close. The sens would have 0 cap flexibility or the ability to add anyone.

 

[2CHAINZ]

1 year max, money doesn't matter, as long as there's enough left over to sign Pinto.

Ok, sure, I'll take Tatar on that contract, but I doubt Tatar does it.

 

[bicboi64]

We should absolutely be trying to sign someone like Tatar. He'd be a fine fit as a temporary 2LW or 3LW.

He's 32, his last deal had a $5+ million cap hit. We can get him for 3-4 years if we offer $2-2.75 million without any NMCs. If we have internal prospects that outplay him, his deal isn't too bad to move and if he produces anywhere near his 48 points last season while ranking 8th in ice time on a deep Devils forward core, we're getting good value.

Tatar in our middle six makes us better. Will he disappear in the playoffs? Let's worry about getting into the playoffs first.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Ok, sure, I'll take Tatar on that contract, but I doubt Tatar does it.

I think it's most likely he gets a 1 year contract at this point, and probably for somewhere between 2-4M.

 

[BondraTime]

Tatar is awful

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Our bottom 6 wingers also appear to be awful, so what's the best solution at this point?

Smejkal, Joseph, Kelly & MacEwan. Sokolov and Greig as the next man up options.

Looks pretty terrible to me.

 

[2CHAINZ]

We should absolutely be trying to sign someone like Tatar. He'd be a fine fit as a temporary 2LW or 3LW.

He's 32, his last deal had a $5+ million cap hit. We can get him for 3-4 years if we offer $2-2.75 million without any NMCs. If we have internal prospects that outplay him, his deal isn't too bad to move and if he produces anywhere near his 48 points last season while ranking 8th in ice time on a deep Devils forward core, we're getting good value.

Tatar in our middle six makes us better. Will he disappear in the playoffs? Let's worry about getting into the playoffs first.

3-4 years??? Bro that Brampton traffic got you twisted.

 

[bert]

I think some people are going to enjoy MacEwen when he is here he is incredibly physical and has a terrific motor to go along with his size. He doesnt appeal to charts people so clearly lots of posters arent going to like him. But when you do actually take the time to acknowledge physical hockey is fun to watch and important you will be happy to have him in a 4th line role. He is much faster than Watson and hits way harder.

 

[bicboi64]

I'm really curious as to why some of you think Tatar is awful.

For a middle 6 guy, he's very good. On NJD, he had the 2nd best 5v5 SAT%, on ice GF%, is 6th on points per 60 and he doesn't really on the PP to produce. His only real flaw is he isn't useful on the penalty kill, but if we need a cheap middle 6 winger, Tatar fits the bill in every way as long as his cap hit is decent.

3-4 years??? Bro that Brampton traffic got you twisted.

I'm working from home today and don't have to drive...can't say the same for the past few days though.

 

[bert]

Our bottom 6 wingers also appear to be awful, so what's the best solution at this point?

Smejkal, Joseph, Kelly & MacEwan. Sokolov and Greig as the next man up options.

Looks pretty terrible to me.

They are going to add one more guy for sure. I dont think its as bad as people make it out to be around here. Joseph cant be worse than last year. He has a great motor. You need speed in this league Joseph and MacEwan are both very strong skaters. Id like another guy with a good motor but has more offensive upside to add to the group of bottom 6ers.

I'm really curious as to why some of you think Tatar is awful.

For a middle 6 guy, he's very good. On NJD, he had the 2nd best 5v5 SAT%, on ice GF%, is 6th on points per 60 and he doesn't really on the PP to produce. His only real flaw is he isn't useful on the penalty kill, but if we need a cheap middle 6 winger, Tatar fits the bill in every way as long as his cap hit is decent.


I'm working from home today and don't have to drive...can't say the same for the past few days though.

Because they watched him especially in the playoffs where he wasnt fast or strong enough to contribute anything. If you watched him he is a product of his linemates he was on amazing lines he contributed nothing when the games got tight.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Tatar is your typical small scoring winger that can help you get to the post-season but won't help you much when you are there.

I would have thought people would see the value in a regular season player like Tatar after Seattle shocked everyone and made the playoffs, despite having zero star talent and awful goaltending, in large part because of secondary scoring from guys like that.

Dorion and DJ seem to be trying to build a team that can succeed once they get to the post-season, which is great, but I don't see us getting to the playoffs with zero scoring depth in our bottom 6 beyond Pinto. Tatar would help with that.

 

[bert]

Id also like to reiterate I am not against signing Tatar but there is no way I give him any term or more than 2.5 million per season. This narrative that he is a strong defensive player is pretty outrageous.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

They are going to add one more guy for sure. I dont think its as bad as people make it out to be around here. Joseph cant be worse than last year. He has a great motor. You need speed in this league Joseph and MacEwan are both very strong skaters. Id like another guy with a good motor but has more offensive upside to add to the group of bottom 6ers.


Because they watched him especially in the playoffs where he wasnt fast or strong enough to contribute anything. If you watched him he is a product of his linemates he was on amazing lines he contributed nothing when the games got tight.

They need another guy. At the absolute best right now you could maybe say guys are all slotted where they should be, if they're playing at their best and barring injury. But all it takes is one disruption and we'll look as thin as we did last year. Do we want our best bottom 6 guy outside of Pinto to be Joseph?

Smejkal is unproven and could prove to be nothing. I'm hopeful Joseph bounces back, but this is not a guy with overwhelming career numbers either. Kelly/MacEwan should be the guys rotating in and out imo, not both full time 82 game players as it appears now.

Right now, unless they bring in someone else, we're basically left to hoping Greig and/or Sokolov jump a guy or two.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Id also like to reiterate I am not against signing Tatar but there is no way I give him any term or more than 2.5 million per season. This narrative that he is a strong defensive player is pretty outrageous.

Seriously, I don't hate Tatar as a depth option but the narrative of him as a two-way player is... something.

The best thing you can say about him is that he won't sink a line.