NHL 19 Franchise Mode and Players development
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Beezeral
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progression has nothing to do with stats and everything to do with playing them in their stated role. EX a player who is currently a top 9 forward needs to play on the 3rd line even if his potential is High franchise.
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I understand,
What if I play Konecny and Granlund on the RW ? Should i play them Center for their progression?
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Panthaz89
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natural progression and statistical progression are two different things though. Statistical progression can still make a player better after he reaches the end of natural progression. I really don't think the role part matters too much towards progression.
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Can you play a top 9F higher up the lineup and still get good progression? Or is it important not to overplay them?
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Trying to update the rosters for trades before I start a franchise mode but how do you trade draft picks!?
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In older games, progression was all predetermined.
So the moment a player was created for the draft, say a 4* player, the game decided the progression of that player. Absolutely nothing you do can change that. If the game decides they were going to top out at 78 overall and never get better, that's it.
With real life prospects, every time you'd make a new GM mode, the game would decide that prospects development path. This is why in one save file you might have a certain 4.5 red player as a 91, and in another they never exceed 78. It has nothing to do with how you deployed or developed the player, the game just happened to choose based on odds/metrics hidden in that player's profile that they were going to become a 91 within x amount of seasons in one save file and were going to become a 78 in x amount of seasons in a different save file.
Players could some times have their stats be altered temporarily for a season or two by playing them well above or below their intended role. In terms of elevating players, it was easier to do with computer generated players who had mutated offensive stats. For example, if you could find a sniper who had a high 70s/low 80s overall but had 95+ O awareness and 95+ wrist shot, in the right scenario they could put up tons of points, and they'd rise to a first liner overall. This would always only last a season and didn't change the fact that player development was pre-determined.
I remember reading a post online where someone had someone gotten into certain elements of a game, and players had something like a "breakout age", along with a development speed.
Why is that relevant to the newer NHL games?
Franchise mode is built on top of the previous gen GM mode. They never rebuilt the mode so it has a lot of the same flaws and bugs such as uneven development (everybody becoming 90+ skaters for example).
While it's possible they've changed this, I don't think they have. Granted, I've played nowhere near enough of this generation of NHL to fully understand the ins and outs of the mode.
I don't think development can be altered, but I think overalls of all players can swing wildly based on the morale system and this is sometimes mistaken for players having an ability to "handle" the development of their prospects. I say this because players don't just go up, they go down as well.
So the moment a player was created for the draft, say a 4* player, the game decided the progression of that player. Absolutely nothing you do can change that. If the game decides they were going to top out at 78 overall and never get better, that's it.
With real life prospects, every time you'd make a new GM mode, the game would decide that prospects development path. This is why in one save file you might have a certain 4.5 red player as a 91, and in another they never exceed 78. It has nothing to do with how you deployed or developed the player, the game just happened to choose based on odds/metrics hidden in that player's profile that they were going to become a 91 within x amount of seasons in one save file and were going to become a 78 in x amount of seasons in a different save file.
Players could some times have their stats be altered temporarily for a season or two by playing them well above or below their intended role. In terms of elevating players, it was easier to do with computer generated players who had mutated offensive stats. For example, if you could find a sniper who had a high 70s/low 80s overall but had 95+ O awareness and 95+ wrist shot, in the right scenario they could put up tons of points, and they'd rise to a first liner overall. This would always only last a season and didn't change the fact that player development was pre-determined.
I remember reading a post online where someone had someone gotten into certain elements of a game, and players had something like a "breakout age", along with a development speed.
Why is that relevant to the newer NHL games?
Franchise mode is built on top of the previous gen GM mode. They never rebuilt the mode so it has a lot of the same flaws and bugs such as uneven development (everybody becoming 90+ skaters for example).
While it's possible they've changed this, I don't think they have. Granted, I've played nowhere near enough of this generation of NHL to fully understand the ins and outs of the mode.
I don't think development can be altered, but I think overalls of all players can swing wildly based on the morale system and this is sometimes mistaken for players having an ability to "handle" the development of their prospects. I say this because players don't just go up, they go down as well.
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i put the players on the team i'm controlling move all the picks around (lol what crap its 2019). if you are starting with a contending team their morale might fall through the floor though.
I had what was a depth roled high potential defenseman. I just kept him scratched and he still grew and played him only when someone was hurt. I dont sim my franchise though i play every game. And also to add to the main question I had Konecny on my team and he had reached an 84 and had a 36 goal season, great +/-, and about 50 assists. He didnt grow at all just stayed at 84. Needless to say I traded him. Meanwhile Tyson Jost who i also aquired went from my 4th line 81 overall top 6 (even when his role was 3rd line at first) to an 89 Elite in 3 seasons with similar numbers for the last season before his jump to Elite. Also Kotkeniemi (sp) for me is an Elite and is my 2nd line center and grew to an 85 and stopped yet still has elite potential, hes still only 21 in my mode so he may have just had a no growth year but i was surprised he didnt drop to a top 6 and retained Elite as i had Dougie Hamilton drop to top 4 defender and Haydn Fleury become an Elite. Its flukey for sure. Owen Tippett has 99 power on both wrist and slapshot and was a bargain to trade for as i randomly noticed this as I try to make my team all Canadians, EA isnt good with rosters and i think NHL is the bottom of their list of sports games to be concerned in regards to rectifying development. FIFA by far has the best development system with both normal experience development through games, and a focused training session for 6-8 players to grow specific player chosen attribute group for each individual player so you can practice shooting for forwards passing for middies and marking and tackling for defenders as an example all in the same week as each player gets their own session. Sorry forget the exact num of players you train per week, but you just pick the players yourself then you can just sim or actually play the drill (which only takes about a minute per player give or take) and based on how well they perform the drill the attribute(s) grow in direct correlation with the drills difficulty and how well its performed. You can get an F and not grow at all or a D and get barely abything or an A and get the max so its not automatic progression and you only get a predetermined amount of attempts per drill usually 5. There are difficulties to each from easy to hard with easy only providing a small chunk even with an A medium or hard which gives about 4 times more then easy but are obviously harder drills to ace. This makes a huge difference in young players especially those with high expectations (great for growing players with good potential but no room to start). Age and if potential is reached makes a difference for example if you did this with Ovechkin it would be a waste and hardly do a thing but with Svechnikov the growth would be large so you cant exploit it to make a player 99 everything eventually it stops benefiting in any real tangible way so you change to a younger player. Bringing that system over to NHL would be awesome.
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Just got NHL 19. In 18, younger players didn’t develop in franchise mode prior to their draft year. For instance a 16 year old at 55 overall stayed there until their draft year with no development in juniors. Is this fixed in 19?
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I'm not certain, but I think players develop during their draft year, or can during the off season after drafting them. I know undrafted players who show up in the next draft can sometimes take development leaps (based on the scouting skill rankings and where CS ranks them in their 2nd draft). It's still not perfect, and things get a bit wonky after 5-6 years, but this year it doesn't seem as crazy as last year and years past. The knew scouting system also goes a long way into making the draft itself a better experience.
The US prospects (associated with US based teams/leagues) have pretty much never been in the game, EA does not have their rights. J. Hughes was never going to be in the game so of course the "draft didn't find him". You can create him as a player though I believe, so if that's where your "it's crap" opinion comes from, it's misguided and kind of baseless.
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You can overplay them, and not worry about harming their progression.
Even underplaying them seems to be a coinflip in terms of harming their progression - sometimes, their potential drops. Other times, their potential stays the same but the progression doesn't change. Other times, they still seem to get a huge boost (especially in the off-season) and continue growing.
There's no set rule - it's all a bit random which, in fairness, is probably trying to cater to some level of realism surrounding prospects and their development.
Safest bet though - play them a lot, and try focusing on playing them in their preferred roles or higher.
***EDIT - Keep an eye on Elite High potential players too. Every single one I've seen, automatically turns into a Franchise player at some point as long as they are playing in or above their role.
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