What's it gonna take? I'd be willing to take Stoner's contract to get Fowler, just not sure what the deal would be worth.
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There aren't many teams (and I don't think Sabres are one that could take on 7.25m in contract without giving money back to the Ducks (who don't want any money back in order to sign Rakell and Lindholm(.
Stoner has cleared waivers so we know playing/contract value. And what is Fowler's real value? If you gave up anything for him, you might feel obligated to protect him in the expansion draft. With with his UFA coming up in 2018, do you really want to pay much for Fowler?
If the Sabres were to make the trade.....I can't see giving up "anything" really.
Let's imagine the teams with take on the additional money of these two players. Arizona might take Stoner if the Ducks adding Monatour for a 4th rounder. NJ might be Fowler for 3rd rounder. What real options do the Ducks have? Doesn't that Kesler contract look worse by the minute?
There aren't many teams (and I don't think Sabres are one that could take on 7.25m in contract without giving money back to the Ducks (who don't want any money back in order to sign Rakell and Lindholm(.
Stoner has cleared waivers so we know playing/contract value. And what is Fowler's real value? If you gave up anything for him, you might feel obligated to protect him in the expansion draft. With with his UFA coming up in 2018, do you really want to pay much for Fowler?
If the Sabres were to make the trade.....I can't see giving up "anything" really.
Let's imagine the teams with take on the additional money of these two players. Arizona might take Stoner if the Ducks adding Monatour for a 4th rounder. NJ might be Fowler for 3rd rounder. What real options do the Ducks have? Doesn't that Kesler contract look worse by the minute?
So in this scenario
Stoner/Montour/Fowler
For
A third and a fourth
Ouch! They are in trouble but not that much. As a devils fan I tell Shero to do that immediately. They will get more, probably much more
fowler isn't a salary dump? lol
What's it gonna take? I'd be willing to take Stoner's contract to get Fowler, just not sure what the deal would be worth.
There aren't many teams (and I don't think Sabres are one that could take on 7.25m in contract without giving money back to the Ducks (who don't want any money back in order to sign Rakell and Lindholm(.
Stoner has cleared waivers so we know playing/contract value. And what is Fowler's real value? If you gave up anything for him, you might feel obligated to protect him in the expansion draft. With with his UFA coming up in 2018, do you really want to pay much for Fowler?
If the Sabres were to make the trade.....I can't see giving up "anything" really.
Let's imagine the teams with take on the additional money of these two players. Arizona might take Stoner if the Ducks adding Monatour for a 4th rounder. NJ might be Fowler for 3rd rounder. What real options do the Ducks have? Doesn't that Kesler contract look worse by the minute?
Wow.... Montour and Fowler are worth a LOT more than you're suggesting. That's just despicable. If anything the ducks maybe pay a team a 2nd or 3rd rounder to take Stoner. But again they don't NEED to move Stoner, they can move Despres. So I'm not getting why they're dumping top pairing defenders and high-end prospects for absolutely nothing. This is just far from reality here.
And please stop with the Kesler hfboards heros. He just put up 53 points and got a selke nomination as a top-3 defensive forward in the league. He did so while being used in primarily defensive situations and 0 first line pp minutes. With everything else he brings to the game, it is just so shortsighted to criticize his contract. He is still an elite two-way center and his production backed it up confidently this season.
In a more offensive role, or on a team without a 1C like Getzlaf hoarding those opportunities, he easily eclipses 60 points with top-5 defensive abilities. Isn't that EXACTLY what Bergeron does year after year, who is regarded as a top-10 player in the league by the same people who think Kesler is vastly overpaid? I swear logic just falls out the window sometimes. Kesler also brings a lot of things Bergeron does not in terms of physicality and sheer agitation of opposing star players.
Sorry to be so provocative in my opening blog. I doubt if any Western Conference is gonna to help the Ducks easy their cap issues without a good return, and what Eastern Conference teams have space.
Canes don't really need Dmen (though Fowler will help) and NJ. So getting true trade value for the two players for their on ice ability may not be such a factor the true. Remember the Leafs basically made a salary cap dump for Kessel.....Kessel and a retention of 1.2m for Kapanen and the equivalent of a second rounder.
Regarding my Kesler comment. It's the first year of his extension. 6.875m a year for 6 years IMO isn't a great contract for the Ducks maybe now and certainly the future, Would any other offered 6m X 6?
He's a Selke caliber center until he proves otherwise. Until that happens he's very easily worth his contract and a vital player for the Ducks. You won't find one sane Ducks fan who disagrees with me.
I love Kes, O'reilly and guys like that. I think they're vital, but you are kind of just skipping the contract issue. Sure it's fine now and in the near future, but he's probably looking at years 4, 5 and 6.
He's a Selke caliber center until he proves otherwise. Until that happens he's very easily worth his contract and a vital player for the Ducks. You won't find one sane Ducks fan who disagrees with me.
Read the post I was responding to. He said the contract may be bad right now, that's completely absurd.
What's it gonna take? I'd be willing to take Stoner's contract to get Fowler, just not sure what the deal would be worth.