Value of: Fowler + Stoner to Buffalo
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A1LeafNation
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There aren't many teams (and I don't think Sabres are one that could take on 7.25m in contract without giving money back to the Ducks (who don't want any money back in order to sign Rakell and Lindholm(.
Stoner has cleared waivers so we know playing/contract value. And what is Fowler's real value? If you gave up anything for him, you might feel obligated to protect him in the expansion draft. With with his UFA coming up in 2018, do you really want to pay much for Fowler?
If the Sabres were to make the trade.....I can't see giving up "anything" really.
Let's imagine the teams with take on the additional money of these two players. Arizona might take Stoner if the Ducks adding Monatour for a 4th rounder. NJ might be Fowler for 3rd rounder. What real options do the Ducks have? Doesn't that Kesler contract look worse by the minute?
Stoner has cleared waivers so we know playing/contract value. And what is Fowler's real value? If you gave up anything for him, you might feel obligated to protect him in the expansion draft. With with his UFA coming up in 2018, do you really want to pay much for Fowler?
If the Sabres were to make the trade.....I can't see giving up "anything" really.
Let's imagine the teams with take on the additional money of these two players. Arizona might take Stoner if the Ducks adding Monatour for a 4th rounder. NJ might be Fowler for 3rd rounder. What real options do the Ducks have? Doesn't that Kesler contract look worse by the minute?
robbieboy3686
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Mmmm no on the kesler contract looking bad, the man was the ducks best player last year and a selke finalist
So in this scenario
Stoner/Montour/Fowler
For
A third and a fourth
Ouch! They are in trouble but not that much. As a devils fan I tell Shero to do that immediately. They will get more, probably much more
robbieboy3686
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Agree
That's why I posted the pieces
I think Fowler will be moved but for more than that
Djp
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Buffalo has approx. $7M in cap space--Risto signs for $6M that leaves Buffalo with little cap space to take on Fowler and Stoner.
To get Fowler Ennis would be the likely player to go to balance out the salary. His last 2 years are actual salary << cap hit
WhatTheDuck
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We've been telling Sabres fans all summer they don't have the right piece to suit our needs in a Fowler deal and nothing has changed in that regard.
Vipers31
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Don't see the Sabres in much of a position to actually offer the Ducks financial relief, nor would the inclusion of Stoner make Fowler as cheap as that the discussed pieces would work. Don't see a fit.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Not sure if Tim Murray can afford both Fowler+Stoner once Ristolainen is resigned pretty sure that Risto will command around $5.5 million to $6 million per long term. Tim Murray would've to do almost salary for salary to afford both Fowler+Stoner whom combined make $7.25 million.
eternalbedhead
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Wow.... Montour and Fowler are worth a LOT more than you're suggesting. That's just despicable. If anything the ducks maybe pay a team a 2nd or 3rd rounder to take Stoner. But again they don't NEED to move Stoner, they can move Despres. So I'm not getting why they're dumping top pairing defenders and high-end prospects for absolutely nothing. This is just far from reality here.
And please stop with the Kesler hfboards heros. He just put up 53 points and got a selke nomination as a top-3 defensive forward in the league. He did so while being used in primarily defensive situations and 0 first line pp minutes. With everything else he brings to the game, it is just so shortsighted to criticize his contract. He is still an elite two-way center and his production backed it up confidently this season.
In a more offensive role, or on a team without a 1C like Getzlaf hoarding those opportunities, he easily eclipses 60 points with top-5 defensive abilities. Isn't that EXACTLY what Bergeron does year after year, who is regarded as a top-10 player in the league by the same people who think Kesler is vastly overpaid? I swear logic just falls out the window sometimes. Kesler also brings a lot of things Bergeron does not in terms of physicality and sheer agitation of opposing star players.
If Anaheim could move Stoner for only a 2nd or 3rd, wouldn't he have already been traded? Looking at comparable deals done this summer, Anaheim will have to give up a good young player (Teravainen) or a high-end prospect (Crouse) to move that contract. That just seems to be the market price at the moment, it might be even higher now that many teams have already filled out rosters and spent to the Cap.
Fowler for a 3rd is absurd (i'd easily pay the Canes 1st+ for Fowler), but the notion that Anaheim might have to trade away a high-end prospect to clear a bad contract is backed by very recent trade history. I don't see any teams willing to take on Despres's long-term contract with his recent injury history. That would be a pretty big gamble until he proves his health and effectiveness.
Sabres still need to sign Ristolainen with their roughly 9 mil of cap space accounting for McCormick possibly going to LTIR if they use the whole cap. Ristolainen is going to take a minimum of 6 mil of that. If you assume a trade with Fowler and Stoner where the Ducks likely have to retain half on Stoner in this situation, that's 5.6 mil to account for with 3 mil of space. So somewhere there needs to be another 2.6 mil of space created. After you send down Casey Nelson for this deal, it's about 2 million to send back or send out elsewhere.
Sorry to be so provocative in my opening blog. I doubt if any Western Conference is gonna to help the Ducks easy their cap issues without a good return, and what Eastern Conference teams have space.
Canes don't really need Dmen (though Fowler will help) and NJ. So getting true trade value for the two players for their on ice ability may not be such a factor the true. Remember the Leafs basically made a salary cap dump for Kessel.....Kessel and a retention of 1.2m for Kapanen and the equivalent of a second rounder.
Regarding my Kesler comment. It's the first year of his extension. 6.875m a year for 6 years IMO isn't a great contract for the Ducks maybe now and certainly the future, Would any other offered 6m X 6?
Canes don't really need Dmen (though Fowler will help) and NJ. So getting true trade value for the two players for their on ice ability may not be such a factor the true. Remember the Leafs basically made a salary cap dump for Kessel.....Kessel and a retention of 1.2m for Kapanen and the equivalent of a second rounder.
Regarding my Kesler comment. It's the first year of his extension. 6.875m a year for 6 years IMO isn't a great contract for the Ducks maybe now and certainly the future, Would any other offered 6m X 6?
WhatTheDuck
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He's a Selke caliber center until he proves otherwise. Until that happens he's very easily worth his contract and a vital player for the Ducks. You won't find one sane Ducks fan who disagrees with me.
I love Kes, O'reilly and guys like that. I think they're vital, but you are kind of just skipping the contract issue. Sure it's fine now and in the near future, but he's probably looking at years 4, 5 and 6.
WhatTheDuck
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Read the post I was responding to. He said the contract may be bad right now, that's completely absurd.
robbieboy3686
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Not to mention , as of now , kesler is easily worthy 7.5million a year ( bobby ryan money) so as of now we are getting extra value out of him, so even if in the end, he is being overpaid , it's a wash.
The Sabres don't have the cap space to make that kind of move without sending similar cap back. Most of the remaining cap space will be spent to re-sign Ristolainen.
