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Leonardo87

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While I understand missing Lindholm (although he would never have been that player here), I don't understand missing Rakell "so much", he didn't play well at all once not surrounded with exceptional talent.

Also, I can't remember reading on these forums that Lindholm is not top pairing D-man.

Rakell is pacing for around 50 something points skating with Crosby and/or Malkin. That should be enough evidence that we made the wise decision to move on.
 

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While I understand missing Lindholm (although he would never have been that player here), I don't understand missing Rakell "so much", he didn't play well at all once not surrounded with exceptional talent.

Also, I can't remember reading on these forums that Lindholm is not top pairing D-man.
To be fair, I think the argument being made was that Lindholm is a #1 (which is still a reasonable debate to have), rather than if Lindholm was simply a top-pairing D-man (if anyone even outside the Ducks boards thought that, they were sorely mistaken).

It's kinda funny...watching these games with Boston, I can't say McAvoy is up to his normal standards defensively this year. Still a hell of a player and puts up a ton of points, but Lindholm-Carlo eat a lot of the tougher minutes and Lindholm looks like the best D-man on the ice in most games. I'm biased, but I think Hampus is the #1 right now.
 
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I dunno. We traded Hakanpaa and a 2022 6th round pick to acquire Haydn Fleury. Hakanpaa was a 28-year old D who was going to be a UFA. Fleury was a 24-year old D, under contract for another season and still be an RFA. This feels like Murray flipping players to incrementally get better while paying it forward at the same time. Who knew that Fleury's game would blossom under Eakins' system?! Fleury's game was so good that the Kraken snatched him up in the expansion draft. The odd part is Fleury hasn't looked as dynamic in Sea or TB as he did with the Ducks.

It's funny how d-men Gudbranson, Hakanpaa, Shatty, and Fleury all played well under Eakins, but this year's crop of talent are so underwhelming.

I mean...I think that was a good move to trade him for Fleury at the time. We should have tried harder to sign him in the offseason, but I don't disagree with BM's decision at the time.

He was 28 who suddenly had an NHL-level season after a few years toiling in the minors. Only having to throw in pretty late pick for a chance at a 24-year old guy who might have had some ceiling left? Why the hell not, I make that trade all the time.

Everything about our D after that has been handled terribly, but I don't have a problem with taking a good deal when it was available.
I guess I don't have as find memories of Haydn Fleury. I've had an old man memory since a young age but what I remember was very vanilla and I'm not surprised that he's had a tough time staying in the lineup ever since his departure. Now I do agree that Bob probably had very different plans than what we've seen since his departure and he may have used Hakanpää just to find a different type of defenseman in the fold as he likely was going to try to keep both Manson and Lindholm at the time.
 

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I guess I don't have as find memories of Haydn Fleury. I've had an old man memory since a young age but what I remember was very vanilla and I'm not surprised that he's had a tough time staying in the lineup ever since his departure. Now I do agree that Bob probably had very different plans than what we've seen since his departure and he may have used Hakanpää just to find a different type of defenseman in the fold as he likely was going to try to keep both Manson and Lindholm at the time.

Just my opinion and based on figuring out Bob's pattern, Fleury (24 yrs old) was a way to bridge the age gap between Lindholm (27 yrs old) and Drysdale (18 yrs old).

Lindholm only played 18 games that season, all 18 were at the start of the season. Manson was in and out of the line up too. When we did acquire Fleury, he played in 12 games and averaged 20:39 TOI. He had 2 goals, 1 assists, and a -6 rating.

The plan if Fleury wasn't taken in the XD, would have been...

Lindholm-Shatty​
Fowler-Manson​
Fleury-Drysdale​
Extras: Benoit/Mahura​

Something clicked in Fleury after like four or five games as a Duck. He was flying everywhere as a 6'4 LD who played mostly a defensive role, but found some offensive jump under Eakins like Hakanpaa did in learning how to pinch.
 

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If you're usually not facing easy minutes, you pace for 50 pts and for a +50 rating how was there ever a discussion if he is a #1 defender or not? Sure he is not Erik Karlsson or Scotty Nieds but what Hampus brings to the table is - at least for me - superstar material. With guys like him you usually win championships. And the play above shows, he can be a little bit flashy in the right environment as well. I miss him and Raks so much. Funnily Josh not as much.

There were many articles I shared showing how Lindholm's game isn't appreciated b/c he doesn't have the counting stats in goals, assists, and points, but he does own the possession stats... still owns the possession stats.
For years, I've shared how much better we are defensively with Lindholm on the ice than without at ES and PK. Sure, we still put up bad goals against numbers, but they're far much worse without Lindholm there. On the Bruins board, I shared how we are over a point per game GAA worse we are without Lindholm this year and how the Bruins are over a point per game GAA better with Lindholm in the lineup (mostly without McAvoy due to injury).

On the Stat Cards this year, Lindholm is often seen the top produce on those charts for the Bruins. The Bruins have a far more complete team and some depth than the Ducks have had since the mass collapse of Kesler, Eaves, and Perry, which affected Getz too. Speaks volumes that Lindholm wanted to stick it out with the Ducks, but now the rest of hockey gets to see him shine. Only problem is... because he's a quiet guy, he still doesn't get enough recognition and should have been an All-Star this year.
 

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What is happening with Teemu?



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California is definitely becoming a joke.... And I'm definitely the most "liberal" person in every locker room I've ever been in. Crime, taxes and homelessness the new California way.

LA is definitely a lot worse than OC.
 

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Hey Fellas ,

Can we refrain from the political talk, appreciate it. Thanks
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I know it's technically against the rules to talk politics, but I don't think it should be with regards to his comments ( within reason of course). Totally understand you don't make the rules.

It's a (very) relevant former player voicing a strong opinion on an issue/topic that others on this site likely also have an informed opinion on.
 
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For a second there, I thought it was gonna share Teemu sending tweets to that 6'6 LD Pulli to consider joining the Ducks like how Teemu vid-tweeted Bedard would look good in the Ducks locker room. Sounded plausible since we heard the news about Thrun not signing with us.
 

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it's been known that teemu leans this way politically for years now, so this really isn't surprising at all. at least to me. not sure if he's tweeted political shit before though. a lot of his tweets are in finnish so maybe he has
Person can lean politically that way and still not sound like a meathead. This is just meathead level stuff.

The point being we should expect higher level of discourse and more thought out points. But that is both hard and ain't nobody got time for that shit.

He posted an instagram of him golfing with Trump too, so yeah, it's not a surprise.
I would love to read the transcript of that "conversation".
 
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Lord Flashheart

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I dunno. I think Bob probably feels sadden at the state the Ducks are in compared to what he probably would have done. Murray's often paid the org forward and the org losing Thrun probably makes him as mad as he was when he found out Schultz didn't want to be a Duck.

Bob is really too loyal of a guy to his players and owners, he protected Des at the Seattle XD. Hearing how Lindholm wanted to stay a Duck, but was still traded away just shows how much Murray made his players feel comfy in Anaheim. Unfortunately, Bob couldn't extend that comfort to his front office.
Where was this said?
 

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No, but Bob Murray let them get into their UFA year without signing them yet. I don't know why people assume he was going to lock them up at the last minute.
Weren't both Getzlaf and Perry signed that way? If anything BM has more history of signing his older players to contracts he nay shouldn't and not trade them as UFAs to be.
 
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California is definitely becoming a joke.... And I'm definitely the most "liberal" person in every locker room I've ever been in. Crime, taxes and homelessness the new California way.

LA is definitely a lot worse than OC.
Yeah another reason why the top UFA's historicly have avoided Californian teams.
They'd rather play in other states that are safer to raise a family.

All we got going for the Ducks is that OC is not as bad as LA, and that playing here you get the beach without hurricanes but then the players have to decide if that is enough to make up for the higher taxes and inflation.
 
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