Value of: Flyers trading up

[GirouxCouturier]

The flyers have 2 picks in the first round, a packed prospect pool, and could use an elite scoring winger. I love Simmonds but don’t see him as a part of our future anymore. How far could this package move them up and would there be any teams interested?

Stl 1st
Phi 1st
Simmonds

Prospects could be added as sweeteners although I personally would be reluctant to trade Myers, Hart, Frost, and anybody on the roster not named Hagg.

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[7even]

The flyers have 2 picks in the first round, a packed prospect pool, and could use an elite scoring winger. I love Simmonds but don’t see him as a part of our future anymore. How far could this package move them up and would there be any teams interested?

Stl 1st
Phi 1st
Simmonds

Prospects could be added as sweeteners although I personally would be reluctant to trade Myers, Hart, Frost, and anybody on the roster not named Hagg.

If you're after an elite scoring winger, you'll have to trade into the top 5. I guess the question is, which bottom 5 team likes Simmonds enough to trade away a lottery pick?

 

[waitin425]

Hmmmm. The Habs have an elite scoring winger who can score 30+ fairly consistently.

How about Pacioretty for that package?

 

[FlyTimmo]

Hmmmm. The Habs have an elite scoring winger who can score 30+ fairly consistently.

How about Pacioretty for that package?

....sarcasm?

 

[GirouxCouturier]

Hmmmm. The Habs have an elite scoring winger who can score 30+ fairly consistently.

How about Pacioretty for that package?

I’d almost rather cheer for Montreal than do that deal

 

[Jray42]

Hmmmm. The Habs have an elite scoring winger who can score 30+ fairly consistently.

How about Pacioretty for that package?

You're kidding right

 

[waitin425]

You're kidding right

I’m only half kidding. But the OP asks for an elite scoring winger.....

Pacioretty continues run as one of NHL’s most consistent scoring threats

That would of course require you to ignore the fact that he has had a down year this year and is an upcoming ufa.

Package is definitely too much for him though.

 

[GirouxCouturier]

Maybe I should’ve said young

 

[FlyTimmo]

I'd do STL 1st, PHI 1st and Simmonds to get either Zadina or Svechnikov. Probably not for either Wahlstrom or Tkachuk.

 

[Starat327]

Hmmmm. The Habs have an elite scoring winger who can score 30+ fairly consistently.

How about Pacioretty for that package?

Pacioretty isn't 2 first better than Simmonds. Hell, the difference isnt even a first.

 

[FlyTimmo]

Pacioretty isn't 2 first better than Simmonds. Hell, the difference isnt even a first.

He already said he was sort of joking.

 

[TkachukNorris79]

I know you want young but I'd do Hoffman for Sanheim and one of those 1sts

 

[BrindamoursNose]

You mean for a guy like Jamie Benn? Or rather a guy like Laine?

 

[GirouxCouturier]

I know you want young but I'd do Hoffman for Sanheim and one of those 1sts

Hagg**

 

[GirouxCouturier]

You mean for a guy like Jamie Benn? Or rather a guy like Laine?

I meant moving up to potentially get svech or zadina. I also understand how valuable a top 5 pick is this year so that’s a long shot... but we don’t NEED a scoring winger so depending on how high I would still move up

 

[Znith]

I'd do STL 1st, PHI 1st and Simmonds to get either Zadina or Svechnikov. Probably not for either Wahlstrom or Tkachuk.

No team in the top 3 is doing that. Let's say you're Buffalo, Ottawa, Arizona, Montreal, or Vancouver (the current teams in the bottom 5). They all need youth, scoring and hope. If you're, say, Ottawa and you trade the #2 pick for #15, #18 and Simmonds - ok, great you get 1 year of a 30 year old 30 goal scorer who could bolt at UFA. You get two shots at a first round pick, but who knows in those mid rounds? Do you get Matthew Barzal or Frederik Gauthier? Huge gamble.

Meanwhile, say you trade away Svechnikov and he becomes a 40 goal scorer in the NHL. You instantly become a worse GM than Garth Snow. Way, way too big a gamble for any GM. Nobody will do that deal.

Say you draft at #2 and Svechnikov ends up a huge bust like Yakupov. Oh well, not your fault, he was pretty much the consensus #2.

I don't see it.

 

[Jray42]

I know you want young but I'd do Hoffman for Sanheim and one of those 1sts

Nah no thanks lol

 

[FlyTimmo]

No team in the top 3 is doing that. Let's say you're Buffalo, Ottawa, Arizona, Montreal, or Vancouver (the current teams in the bottom 5). They all need youth, scoring and hope. If you're, say, Ottawa and you trade the #2 pick for #15, #18 and Simmonds - ok, great you get 1 year of a 30 year old 30 goal scorer who could bolt at UFA. You get two shots at a first round pick, but who knows in those mid rounds? Do you get Matthew Barzal or Frederik Gauthier? Huge gamble.

Meanwhile, say you trade away Svechnikov and he becomes a 40 goal scorer in the NHL. You instantly become a worse GM than Garth Snow. Way, way too big a gamble for any GM. Nobody will do that deal.

Say you draft at #2 and Svechnikov ends up a huge bust like Yakupov. Oh well, not your fault, he was pretty much the consensus #2.

I don't see it.

Oh, I definitely think you are right. I probably wouldn't do that trade from the perspective of a team picking #2 or #3. But, STL 1st, PHI 1st and Simmonds is what I would take for that package. The only team I could see even considering that would EDM if they snagged 3, because Chiarelli definitely will want to compete next year and Simmonds can help with that. Then they could package the remaining picks for more talent as well. I also don't really trust Chiarelli to make a great decision as well.

 

[The Great Weal]

You mean for a guy like Jamie Benn? Or rather a guy like Laine?

Lol, good luck.

 

[boredmale]

Here is hoping St Louis squeaks into the playoffs and wins 2 rounds

And since I really don't care for any teams in the east what the hell hopefully Philly wins 2 rounds as well.

 

[Dan Kelly]

I'd do STL 1st, PHI 1st and Simmonds to get either Zadina or Svechnikov. Probably not for either Wahlstrom or Tkachuk.

That's just wrong! Wahlstrom is one of the best goal scorers available in the draft.

 

[FlyTimmo]

That's just wrong! Wahlstrom is one of the best goal scorers available in the draft.

He is overrated. And not worth the price when a guy like Farabee who is marginally worse could be available in the 10-13 range, and won't take near as much to move up for, if necessary.

 

[Stizzle]

I know you want young but I'd do Hoffman for Sanheim and one of those 1sts

Dream on.

 

[BackWithaVengeance]

No team in the top 3 is doing that. Let's say you're Buffalo, Ottawa, Arizona, Montreal, or Vancouver (the current teams in the bottom 5). They all need youth, scoring and hope. If you're, say, Ottawa and you trade the #2 pick for #15, #18 and Simmonds - ok, great you get 1 year of a 30 year old 30 goal scorer who could bolt at UFA. You get two shots at a first round pick, but who knows in those mid rounds? Do you get Matthew Barzal or Frederik Gauthier? Huge gamble.

Meanwhile, say you trade away Svechnikov and he becomes a 40 goal scorer in the NHL. You instantly become a worse GM than Garth Snow. Way, way too big a gamble for any GM. Nobody will do that deal.

Say you draft at #2 and Svechnikov ends up a huge bust like Yakupov. Oh well, not your fault, he was pretty much the consensus #2.

I don't see it.

Don't underestimate Benning. Guy is a gamer. Bergevin is another GM with questinable decisions.

Buffalo, Ottawa and Arizona I agree.

 

[Dan Kelly]

He is overrated. And not worth the price when a guy like Farabee who is marginally worse could be available in the 10-13 range, and won't take near as much to move up for, if necessary.

what makes Wahlstrom overrated?