Post-Game Talk: Flightless birds destroy the lowly Canadiens

[Habs]

I am done for a while, this is simply no longer enjoyable

Sound like my wife after I lay the pipe and ask her how it was.

 

[bsl]

One caller sounded very distraught and said why aren't there fingers pointing at Hughes and Gorton at this point. MSL is what it is. He isn't going to change so it's up to management to make moved - e.g. make coaching change. Bring experience behind the bench... coaching experience.

NHL coaches are mostly useless. I’ve said this for years. Firing msl will make no difference. It’s just lack of talent on the team. Ridiculous thread here saying serious coaching problem. lol. I refuse to read it.

I think I said it enough... a new coach - that's my solution. If according to you no coach would make a difference with this team then why have one? Why some teams start playing better and some worse when coaches change? with the same players.

I completely utterly disagree with you on this.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

OR how about we try and actually draft some quality players and then actually develop them properly. I see other teams do it all the time. It's incredible watching good teams...draft mid to late first round and second round and somehow they just "get lucky" I guess with players hitting. Weird how that works.

I asked this question a while back but when was the last time we developed a player properly...someone answered Pacioretty and they weren't wrong...says a lot. Now of course people will say CC bit he developed in the US college program so..

Ideally we can make helpful trades and still keep our high picks

I think Suzuki was developed well, started as 3C in the NHL on a decent team.

It looks like Hutson was developed well too but we didn’t really have any say in it, and it would’ve been better to pair him with a legit RHD

Thinking about it now it’s a bit concerning how little time our young defense has spent in the AHL. Most look to be rushed, Struble and Xhekaj only played a handful of games and I don’t think Guhle or Hutson played any.

 

[Tyson]

NHL coaches are mostly useless. I’ve said this for years. Firing msl will make no difference. It’s just lack of talent on the team. Ridiculous thread here saying serious coaching problem. lol. I refuse to read it.


I completely utterly disagree with you on this.

You bring several good points that replacing MSL is probably not the solution but I say that he should never have been hired in the 1st place.
The team is arguably one of the least talented in the entire league and that's the biggest problem.

Chicago decided to rebuild and thought that trading a 21 year old 6'4 3rd overall pick was part of their rebuild should have been a red flag to every GM in the league regarding Kirby Dach.
Acquiring players like Newhook and Dach did not help this franchise in any way.

 

[OneSharpMarble]

Accountability and standards are something even “rebuilding teams” have to have. Giving the team a signal that there are minimum performance expectations is a good thing and will help with their professional development.

Primeau is an example of a “low hanging fruit”, something that would not be difficult to change.

I hope my perspective is clear enough for your understanding now — you can disagree but don’t call it a whine, because it ain’t.

The season shouldn’t be lost, but it is. Hughes sat on his hands while his coach did nothing and the results and performances and effort levels (predictably) didn’t change.

Now we have a team that will happily lose and collect their paycheque for the better part of a professional season. It’s literally a Losing Culture. They come to work knowing they will lose and no matter their effort, they will be paid and cozy and not even demoted or scratched. There are zero downsides to bad efforts = bad efforts are reinforced as part of the daily routine. Losing culture.

It’s funny you think a GM has to wait until the summer to make a minor roster move. You must’ve been Bergevin’s bravest soldier — moves are hard! Wait and be patient! We mustn’t mortgage the future!

With pivots like that you should think of following basketball instead of hockey.

Apparently now you want to send a message to the team and the way to do that is by trading the backup goalie. Not only that you think this should have been done a long time ago in the season. What makes you think the players are going to give a shit about a guy getting traded who barely plays? Wanna trade Pezzetta while you're at it to "send a message"?

Ok so now you are trying to make me a Bergevin supporter because you're desperate and you can't defend your whine, and yes that is what it is. The Habs lost a bad game and you're big mad, time to have a reactionary trade and lay down the law by punishing someone who had almost nothing to do with that game.

I don't think they have to wait until the offseason but they're probably doing that because they'll have more options in who they get for backup, I know it's hard for you to understand, you wanna run out there and get the first dude with two feet and a heartbeat, you're real picky. Trading Primeau is not about mortgaging the future, but getting some rando we have to get rid of yet again next season is not something a professional organization does.

 

[Habs Icing]

I guess reading comprehension isn’t your forte.

I said Dach is a huge reason why we’re where we are, not the only reason. Our D is a completely different issue and we were well aware of it coming into this season. It was the main reason I said we wouldn’t make the playoffs going into this year.

Dach’s poor performance on the other hand was not expected. That’s thrown us for a loop and it’s affected the forwards - especially guys like Newhook and Slaf - in a really bad way.

I see you've downgraded the biggest reason to a huge reason. Wait, that must be my reading comprehension.

Dach doesn't play on Newhook's line how is he affecting him?

Yes, Dach has been a disappointment but he is not the biggest or even a huge reason for the Habs' poor performance so far this season. Many other reasons are far more problematic than Dach's poor showing.

 

[ReHabs]

With pivots like that you should think of following basketball instead of hockey.

Apparently now you want to send a message to the team and the way to do that is by trading the backup goalie. Not only that you think this should have been done a long time ago in the season. What makes you think the players are going to give a shit about a guy getting traded who barely plays? Wanna trade Pezzetta while you're at it to "send a message"?

I never said it is the only way. I said it is low-hanging fruit.

Before we continue, please confirm you understand what is meant by the metaphor 'low-hanging fruit'. I'm not sure you get it.

 

[Habby4Life]

what’s funny is the kept Primeau who is junk while they had a reliable experienced backup in Allen.

Pri experiment should be over, just get a backup who is at least nhl caliber.