Post-Game Talk: Flightless birds destroy the lowly Canadiens

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

They are some people say that we are trending forward?

 

[Runner77]

They are some people say that we are trending forward?

They ought to try something different:

No more only quality human beings — they ought to add a few borderline criminals but who show up every game.

Management should evaluate all assistant coaches and remove from MSL the power to appoint them. Fire and replace with more experienced types.

Look at options to replace Primeau and then waive him.

Hughes’ ex-clients or from Quartexx — it’s time to cut bait, there is no reason to hold on to them when they show they are not up to scratch or if their value will never be higher than now.

All for the rebuild but also all for making adjustments when they are begging to be made.

 

[donghabs98]

Watching Dvorak and Anderson being unable to finish the great passes from Hutson must be like how Hawks fans have to watch Bedard's offensive plays go to waste with his linemates.

Both players would have a lot more points if they had a better supporting cast.

 

[schwang26]

I just don’t get how Matheson is so bad in his own end. Generally, when you can skate like that, it’s not hard to defend. I think he fell down twice, got beat along the boards for the first goal, then stood virtually motionless while a pass went by him on the first pp goal and blindly gave a puck away behind his own net. I’m a crappy skater and I think I would’ve done better on at least 2 of those! Was he high last night? I know it wasn’t all him, but man. I know it’s not professional but I’d lose my crap with him right there in front of everyone if I was a teammate. Just no compete level. He made many mistakes last year, but he might already be ahead of that pace.

 

[sampollock]

I just don’t get how Matheson is so bad in his own end. Generally, when you can skate like that, it’s not hard to defend. I think he fell down twice, got beat along the boards for the first goal, then stood virtually motionless while a pass went by him on the first pp goal and blindly gave a puck away behind his own net

he is overrated
had that big year last year and KH did not sell when value high

 

[The Great Weal]

he is overrated
had that big year last year and KH did not sell when value high

I'm confident he will still fetch something good. Not trading Savard last year may be the bigger failure, but we also don't know if any team offered a 1st. Both should be gone relatively soon.

 

[McGees]

Many saw that he was all hype and no substance...but many wanted to believe.
Good thing we kept him to watch his value plummet.
That's the same way I trade my stocks, wait til they are zero.
I'm not crying, you're crying.

 

[Rapala]

Watching Dvorak and Anderson being unable to finish the great passes from Hutson must be like how Hawks fans have to watch Bedard's offensive plays go to waste with his linemates.

Both players would have a lot more points if they had a better supporting cast.

The worst part for me is having to sit through the next shift watching Suzuki and Caufield not getting the puck at all from the likes of Struble etc.

 

[Prettyisland]

I just don’t get how Matheson is so bad in his own end. Generally, when you can skate like that, it’s not hard to defend. I think he fell down twice, got beat along the boards for the first goal, then stood virtually motionless while a pass went by him on the first pp goal and blindly gave a puck away behind his own net. I’m a crappy skater and I think I would’ve done better on at least 2 of those! Was he high last night? I know it wasn’t all him, but man. I know it’s not professional but I’d lose my crap with him right there in front of everyone if I was a teammate. Just no compete level. He made many mistakes last year, but he might already be ahead of that pace.

Hes a very talented skater. I would say in the .01 percentile in the nhl. It makes up for him having absolutely no clue what is truly unfolding in the ice. So when the former isn’t firing on all cylinders… it gets messy

 

[schwang26]

Many saw that he was all hype and no substance...but many wanted to believe.
Good thing we kept him to watch his value plummet.
That's the same way I trade my stocks, wait til they are zero.
I'm not crying, you're crying.

I mean, he did put up the points on a crappy team. You have to give him some credit. He’s on pace for less so far, but you have to admit that there was no one else who was going to hit even 50 points from the D. It makes sense that they kept him. Sure Hutson is doing well, but no one knew for sure and his production could start to die down as the season wears on. I’m not defending Matheson over all, but a 62 point defenceman is nothing to sneeze at. I think they can still get a late first.

Hes a very talented skater. I would say in the .01 percentile in the nhl. It makes up for him having absolutely no clue what is truly unfolding in the ice. So when the former isn’t firing on all cylinders… it gets messy

It was like he was zoned out last night or something.

 

[salbutera]

Hes a very talented skater. I would say in the .01 percentile in the nhl. It makes up for him having absolutely no clue what is truly unfolding in the ice. So when the former isn’t firing on all cylinders… it gets messy

I wouldn’t say that, Pens last night scored almost all their goals within a few feet of the crease by crashing the net - Matheson isn’t a physical type D, Savards absence in front of the net, especially on the PP was massive

 

[Prettyisland]

I wouldn’t say that, Pens last night scored almost all their goals within a few feet of the crease by crashing the next - Matheson isn’t a physical type D, Savards absence in front of the net, especially on the PP was massive

Agreed. It was weird seeing him get turned like that on the rust goal. 1 v 1 he usually is right on guys on the rush

 

[Kimota]

I just don’t get how Matheson is so bad in his own end. Generally, when you can skate like that, it’s not hard to defend. I think he fell down twice, got beat along the boards for the first goal, then stood virtually motionless while a pass went by him on the first pp goal and blindly gave a puck away behind his own net. I’m a crappy skater and I think I would’ve done better on at least 2 of those! Was he high last night? I know it wasn’t all him, but man. I know it’s not professional but I’d lose my crap with him right there in front of everyone if I was a teammate. Just no compete level. He made many mistakes last year, but he might already be ahead of that pace.

It always been the case with most offensive skilled defensemen. The most talented defenseman I have seen Paul Coffey was a God offensively but absolutely horrible defensively. Same with Erik Karlsson: a generational player offensively but not even AHL-level defensively. It's a curse really. I think there is something in their brain that thinks too much offensively and it cannot correct itself to defend. It's like the entirety of their being is made to play offensively and nothing else. I say turn Matheson into a foward.

 

[BLONG7]

I wouldn’t say that, Pens last night scored almost all their goals within a few feet of the crease by crashing the net - Matheson isn’t a physical type D, Savards absence in front of the net, especially on the PP was massive

Someone needs to show Monty how to poke check...............would have saved a couple of goals last night......they did miss Savard on the right side last night.
Matheson is so bad on the right side, put Guhlie back there until you trade Mike!!

 

[salbutera]

It always been the case with most offensive skilled defensemen. The most talented defenseman I have seen Paul Coffey was a God offensively but absolutely horrible defensively. Same with Erik Karlsson: a generation player offensively but not even AHL-level defensively. It's a curse really. I think there is something in their brain that thinks too much offensively and it cannot correct itself to defend. It's like the entirety of their being is made to play offensively and nothing else. I say turn Matheson into a foward.

Playing D requires commitment & dedication, accepting the possibility of getting hurt every shift of every game and a willingness to play consistently through pain…

 

[BLONG7]

Watching Dvorak and Anderson being unable to finish the great passes from Hutson must be like how Hawks fans have to watch Bedard's offensive plays go to waste with his linemates.

Both players would have a lot more points if they had a better supporting cast.

Dvorak and Anderson, have had 3-4 prime scoring chances in the last 3 games, and got nothing out of it............breakaways gone bad, should be a title of a habs not so best seller. Come on guys.....brutal.

The Montreal Bergevins ( Anderson, Gally. Dvo ) have played well enough to get chances, but not cash in................the clown GM still haunts us.

 

[sampollock]

I'm confident he will still fetch something good. Not trading Savard last year may be the bigger failure, but we also don't know if any team offered a 1st. Both should be gone relatively soon.

2nd at most
or
KH gives more to get 2nd and a player

 

[OldCraig71]

I turned it off when it was 1-1 and I feel good about it.

 

[HelloBellyvo]

Not true, this team hasn't had several seasons of high draft picks in forever. That's why we've been mediocre for so long.

It's not a guarantee for success, but it's a necessary first step.

weve had a few necessary first steps that havent amounted to a necessary first class team.

 

[Paddy17]

I just don’t get how Matheson is so bad in his own end. Generally, when you can skate like that, it’s not hard to defend. I think he fell down twice, got beat along the boards for the first goal, then stood virtually motionless while a pass went by him on the first pp goal and blindly gave a puck away behind his own net. I’m a crappy skater and I think I would’ve done better on at least 2 of those! Was he high last night? I know it wasn’t all him, but man. I know it’s not professional but I’d lose my crap with him right there in front of everyone if I was a teammate. Just no compete level. He made many mistakes last year, but he might already be ahead of that pace.

Matheson rarely uses his superior skating this year, or even last year. When he first surprised everyonr 2 years ago, he was skating like the wind all the time and got us believing he could become a true #1D. I don't know why he almost never skates hard anymore... always seems to be coasting at 60% speed. There's got to be more than being overused... his playing time has not increased vs. 2 years ago.

Same with Ghule. He rarely goes all out anymore. Seems like a coaching directive more than fatigue, or maybe it's circumstantial and I'm just imagining things...

 

[McGees]

I mean, he did put up the points on a crappy team. You have to give him some credit. He’s on pace for less so far, but you have to admit that there was no one else who was going to hit even 50 points from the D. It makes sense that they kept him. Sure Hutson is doing well, but no one knew for sure and his production could start to die down as the season wears on. I’m not defending Matheson over all, but a 62 point defenceman is nothing to sneeze at. I think they can still get a late first.


It was like he was zoned out last night or something.

When you get ALL the PP time. All the time with Cole/Nick and top line...you are gonna get a lot of points.
He did maximize his output, won't take that from him. But there were always so many obvious warts as he was doing it - why I wanted to trade him in summer at his peak value.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Watching Dvorak and Anderson being unable to finish the great passes from Hutson must be like how Hawks fans have to watch Bedard's offensive plays go to waste with his linemates.

Both players would have a lot more points if they had a better supporting cast.

I can't wait to see Demidov next year.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Many saw that he was all hype and no substance...but many wanted to believe.
Good thing we kept him to watch his value plummet.
That's the same way I trade my stocks, wait til they are zero.
I'm not crying, you're crying.

Nobody knew how good Hutson would be. We don't have much on the right side and without Hutson there's Ghule and a buch of youngsters. I can understand why the kept him.

But we don't need to keep him now.

 

[CHfan1]

What do teams like Boston or Tampa do? Are they that much more talented than Habs? I doubt it. Each team has a couple of high end players, just like Habs. Rest is meh... Not saying either one of them are setting the world on fire but they are in a playoffs spot. So there must be something... I don't get paid 5M to figure it out...

I disagree that Montreal has similar high end players as a team like Tampa Bay. Kucherov, Point, Hedman, and Vasilevskiy as a top end core are much better than Montreal’s. As it stands now Montreal has a bottom tier roster in the league (which is not surprising as they go through this rebuild as some of their top end prospects are still playing in other leagues).

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I disagree that Montreal has similar high end players as a team like Tampa Bay. Kucherov, Point, Hedman, and Vasilevskiy as a top end core are much better than Montreal’s. As it stands now Montreal has a bottom tier roster in the league (which is not surprising as they go through this rebuild as some of their top end prospects are still playing in other leagues).

Fair enough.

But Tampa Bay didn't even know they had superstars. They emerged over the years. Kucherov wasn't even drafted in the first round. You coulnd't have predicted Braden Point would be as good as he was.

We're in stage one of a rebuild. We don't know how good Demidov or Hutson or Fowler or RB or even Slaf will be. Even CC hasn't really established himself yet. I think it's safe to say we have a couple of potential stars and a lot of really good young prospects. Maybe we won't have the high end talent of Tampa (few teams do) but I don't think we'll come out of this rebuild without at least a superstar - probably two or three.