Post-Game Talk: Flightless birds destroy the lowly Canadiens

[Nogatco Rd]

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I think I said it enough... a new coach - that's my solution.

So a new coach will fix our 2nd line center problem? A new coach will fix our RD?

How does that work exactly?

 

[Habby4Life]

I think I said it enough... a new coach - that's my solution. If according to you no coach would make a difference with this team then why have one? Why some teams start playing better and some worse when coaches change? with the same players.

It’s so obvious, they are worse than when Duch was coach. If Jake Evans said some guys may have quit, that’s the equivalent of Petry publicly questioning Duch.

They have one of the weakest staffs in the league. Anyone who thinks MSL is doing a good job has really drank the spiked kool-aid.

 

[The Real Timo]

So a new coach will fix our 2nd line center problem? A new coach will fix our RD?

How does that work exactly?

Let;s find out.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Same Bruins team that lost 8-1 the other day with their new coach?

It's like some people can't understand the fundamental problems this team has... At it's best we were hoping for an 85-90 point year. It has no 2nd line center and no RDs.

"Let's just fire the coach."

How the f*** does that solve any of those issues?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Let;s find out.

Sorry no.

You've screamed at this guy for being an idiot in not being able to get the 2nd line going. Now when asked, you dodge and weave. If it's so simple, then tell us what you'd have done as coach? All I read from you is crap like "(Sigh) Why can't we have a real coach?"

Okay cool, back it up. Don't sit there and say 'but he makes five mil'. Answer the question. How does this guy fix the 2nd line with the players he's got? How does he resolve the right side D issue? Don't say 'fire the coach' because the next coach is going to inherit the same problems. If he's such an idiot, then tell us what the new coach should do there.

 

[The Real Timo]

Sorry no.

You've screamed at this guy for being an idiot in not being able to get the 2nd line going. Now when asked, you dodge and weave. If it's so simple, then tell us what you'd have done as coach? All I read from you is crap like "(Sigh) Why can't we have a real coach?"

Okay cool, back it up. Don't sit there and say 'but he makes five mil'. Answer the question. How does this guy fix the 2nd line with the players he's got? How does he resolve the right side D issue? Don't say 'fire the coach' because the next coach is going to inherit the same problems. If he's such an idiot, then tell us what the new coach should do there.

Sorry no? Lol

And I don't believe I solely focused on the 2nd line. Unpreparedness for games, total chaos in the dzone, players not giving 100% and not having any consequences, double standards depending on who specific player is, etc... I believe these were my main complaints. Let me repeat again... I don't expect them to contend or even make playoffs (though that would be nice). But the team has regressed from last year.

But to address your question about second line, if they played more physical hockey, finished checks and won board battles and stopped turning over the pucks, we'd be much better off. God knows they have size for it... and I believe the right coach could help them play that kind of hockey. Not carrying the team... but making fewer mistakes because they are forced to work harder and not allowed to make lazy plays and just get by.

 

[HabbyGuy]

Let;s find out.

Yes, let's fire the coach that understands it's players better than anyone else, has a grasp on the difficult situation this roster implies and the coach this same roster loves playing for.

To hire a coach who will inherit all of the same team construction problems, but with none of the relationship and trust built up with Marty. That seems beneficial. (rolls eyes)

It's not like this team is failing due to a mutiny, Marty has not lost this room. The team is just young and hasn't the horses yet.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Sorry no? Lol

And I don't believe I solely focused on the 2nd line. Unpreparedness for games, total chaos in the dzone, players not giving 100% and not having any consequences, double standards depending on who specific player is, etc... I believe these were my main complaints. Let me repeat again... I don't expect them to contend or even make playoffs (though that would be nice). But the team has regressed from last year.

But to address your question about second line, if they played more physical hockey, finished checks and won board battles and stopped turning over the pucks, we'd be much better off. God knows they have size for it... and I believe the right coach could help them play that kind of hockey. Not carrying the team... but making fewer mistakes because they are forced to work harder and not allowed to make lazy plays and just get by.

So your solution to us not having a 2nd line center is ?????? You solution to us not having RDs is ??????

Saying 'fire the coach' is not an answer to those problems. And you can say 'play more phsyical' all you want. No coach is going to turn Patrick Laine into Wendel Clark.

 

[themilosh]

Honestly, does anyone see the drive or any intensity from Dach. You can’t have that kind of guy in the bottom 6. And the way he is playing, he should not be anywhere near top 6 or PP.

This guy needs to so sit in the press box in the worst way

Which is why i said he's gonna end up getting bounced around from team to team looking to catch lightning in a bottle on him..

 

[Vapaatunnus]

Small mistakes all the time at own end and basically all of those resulted a goal

Biggest surprise of all was Dach wasn’t -5

I thought that Laine would be -5

 

[ReHabs]

Kent Hughes has the warmest hands in the league, from sitting on them.

 

[The Real Timo]

So your solution to us not having a 2nd line center is ?????? You solution to us not having RDs is ??????

Saying 'fire the coach' is not an answer to those problems. And you can say 'play more phsyical' all you want. No coach is going to turn Patrick Laine into Wendel Clark.

Is that our only problem - 2nd line center and right D? We had a legit 2nd line center last season in Monahan and still ended up bottom 5. You seem to be saying like these are the only problems with the team. I am saying team has a lot more problems than that.

 

[ReHabs]

Is that our only problem - 2nd line center and right D? We had a legit 2nd line center last season in Monahan and still ended up bottom 5. You seem to be saying like these are the only problems with the team. I am saying team has a lot more problems than that.

The problem with arguing with Baghdad Bob style srguments is that you end up arguing in the weeds and get pulled in from the big picture

First it’s “trust the process”,
then it is “what did you expect, this IS the process”,
then it is “the process is fine — it’s just only X that didn’t work out, but that’s going to be fine too”, [we are here]
then it is “the process WOULD’VE been fine, but we got unlucky.”,
Finally it becomes “we have no choice but to do the process I wanted all over again”

What is the process, exactly? Can someone define the HuGo process?

 

[HabbyGuy]

Is that our only problem - 2nd line center and right D? We had a legit 2nd line center last season in Monahan and still ended up bottom 5. You seem to be saying like these are the only problems with the team. I am saying team has a lot more problems than that.

The habs were basically .500 before the Monahan trade (20-21-8) and only cratered after his departure making us tumble down to the bottom 5. It was his departure and Dach 's absence due to injury that was the driving force towards our ultimate landing spot.

Nevermind having better goaltending from Allen and Primeau, and more help on D with Kovacevic and Harris.

This team is much weaker than it was last, despite everyone saying it's the same.

We're younger on D, with less depth, and no 2C or competent backup netminder.

 

[ArtPeur]

We suck so much that if we were dropped into the ocean it would be an ecological disaster.

I heard there are people trying to fix oceans though

 

[Wateredgarden]

Worst period in Habs history?

 

[The Real Timo]

The habs were basically .500 before the Monahan trade (20-21-8) and only cratered after his departure making us tumble down to the bottom 5. It was his departure and Dach 's absence due to injury that was the driving force towards our ultimate landing spot.

Nevermind having better goaltending from Allen and Primeau, and more help on D with Kovacevic and Harris.

This team is much weaker than it was last, despite everyone saying it's the same.

We're younger on D, with less depth, and no 2C or competent backup netminder.

 

[HabbyGuy]

Kent Hughes has the warmest hands in the league, from sitting on them.

I'd like to warm up my hands.

 

[OneSharpMarble]

Kent Hughes has the warmest hands in the league, from sitting on them.

If only he made moves every time the chicken littles of the fanbase started crying. Then maybe we could throw away all the work to have a sniff at a "leafs cup run"(1st round exit).

 

[HabbyGuy]

If only he made moves every time the chicken littles of the fanbase started crying. Then maybe we could throw away all the work to have a sniff at a "leafs cup run"(1st round exit).

It may be the impatience of the fans and media that will be the death knell of this rebuild. I'm holding faith that HUGO have the fortitude and resolve to see it through.

God knows the Toronto market is already trying to plant seeds with their coverage.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Yes Mariano has a better feel for what's going on then the Habs management and coaching staff.

He's always been such a level headed and astute hockey man! I could listen to him for weeks.

Surprised noone has given this man a job in the NHL. He clearly knows what he's talking about. Thr guy literally has those 2 brain cells you mentioned in his whole fat head.

Also the same people that passed over Michkov. Also Gorton and his lil bud (Draft scout) in NYR were atrocious and they got fired. Sounds like you can play the game on both side. Also I coached Bantam for 3 months , which makes my pedigree close to the one MSL had as coaching players. Which also changes absolutely nothing.

Monkeys using note pads would make better plans than some gms and coaches in the league. Except Gorton , this management from GM to coach and assistants have barely any experience and it shows. not complicated to see.

Whole fanbase knows that Slaf should be with suzuki l ine and Hutson on the first PP yet , MSL think he knows it all.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Great.

What are they? Who would you make as our 2nd line center? How would you manage the right side D with no natural defensemen there? Clearly MSL is a moron for not figuring this out. So tell us what he should so clearly do here.

Look at WSH is doing with Strome PLD As top 2 Centers and Protas Wilson McMichael Raddysh in the top 6…

 

[RationalExpectations]

It may be the impatience of the fans and media that will be the death knell of this rebuild. I'm holding faith that HUGO have the fortitude and resolve to see it through.

God knows the Toronto market is already trying to plant seeds with their coverage.

Do you think BUF failures come from fanbase impatience ?

How many years of top 5 picks do you need to become a playoff team ? Given Suzuki CC and Slaf contracts HuGo thinks they already have at least 3 of their top 6 players, one in his D+8 one in his D+6.

 

[ReHabs]

If only he made moves every time the chicken littles of the fanbase started crying. Then maybe we could throw away all the work to have a sniff at a "leafs cup run"(1st round exit).

Moves? Plural? Kent Hughes??

Nah not his style.

Buddy how about just one move to cut the bleeding — a new back up goalie, so our players don’t give up 3 minutes into a 60min contest.

It may be the impatience of the fans and media that will be the death knell of this rebuild. I'm holding faith that HUGO have the fortitude and resolve to see it through.

God knows the Toronto market is already trying to plant seeds with their coverage.

It’s the fans who got Michkov catastrophically wrong. Not the lovely Kent Hughes?

It’s the fans who traded away a potential Hutson and Hage for Newhook… not super manager Kent Hughes?

It’s the fans who have managed the worst record in Habs history… not Kent Hughes?

The fans must’ve been the ones not monitoring Dach’s rehab and fitness too.

Damn fans, they always get in the way of Kent Hughes’ great work.