Proposal: Fla / Ott - Bob / Murray

[TrevSens]

To Ottawa:
-Sergei Bobrovski (after $6m signing bonus paid) $10m AAV 4 more years.
-MacKenzie Weegar $3.25m 1 more year to UFA.

To Florida:
Matt Murray -$6.25m 2 more years
Nikita Zaitsev -$4.5m 2 more years

Florida rid themselves of Bob's contract while giving up Weegar who will be a UFA in a year and will need a pay increase. Take a flyer on Zaitsev and Murray as secondary players or flip them to a third team.

Sens get Weegar to partner Chabot, he's also an Ottawa born player at 28 with lots of good years ahead of him still in the league. Sens have to take on Bobrovski which might not be bad for Ottawa who for a couple years with low expectations in the capital could surprise some people. In the final 2 years he's owed ~$6m a year cash with the AAV of $10m so its also a Sens special contract. Maybe a flip out in a few years if he doesn't work out.

Thoughts? Who adds. Who says hell no. Who wants to risk helping a division rival? Fresh starts for 3 players could maybe help them.

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[Clamshells]

Bob says hell no
Melnyk's ghost rolls over at the thought of adding 10M in contract value in a single trade

 

[kerrabria]

I respect the idea, but no thanks from Florida's perspective.
Yes, Bob's contract is a tumor on our capsheet for the next four years, but I'd rather have a $10m average goalie and a $3.25m top 4 d-man than $10.75m in pure dead cap. Neither Zaistev nor Murray belong on NHL ice.

 

[mouser]

Only asset with positive value here is headed to Ottawa.

 

[edguy]

I appreciate the idea, but from this sens fans POV I'd rather ride out 2 years of Murray and Zaitsev than take on Bob at 10Million.

I do agree Sens should go for Mac Weegar, but this isn't the deal

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

I respect the idea, but no thanks from Florida's perspective.
Yes, Bob's contract is a tumor on our capsheet for the next four years, but I'd rather have a $10m average goalie and a $3.25m top 4 d-man than $10.75m in pure dead cap. Neither Zaistev nor Murray belong on NHL ice.

This post makes the most sense for me. I say the trade is lopsided towards Ottawa.

 

[Mogo]

I'm pretty damn sure Bob & wife would not waive to go to Ottawa from Florida

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

I'm pretty damn sure Bob & wife would not waive to go to Ottawa from Florida

Yes, I'm sure, too. President's Trophy, Playoffs, and low-pressure environment. He has it all.

 

[Laus723]

Lol, no from both teams.

 

[Mogo]

Yes, I'm sure, too. President's Trophy, Playoffs, and low-pressure environment. He has it all.

That and living situation is a bit different

 

[Qward]

Yes, I'm sure, too. President's Trophy, Playoffs, and low-pressure environment. He has it all.

Dont forget Florida has no State taxes.

 

[bert]

I appreciate the idea, but from this sens fans POV I'd rather ride out 2 years of Murray and Zaitsev than take on Bob at 10Million.

I do agree Sens should go for Mac Weegar, but this isn't the deal

I like the ingenuity OP but I don't think Florida does this. Sens would need a solid add from a futures perspective.

If the sens didn't do this deal then they are insane. Gets rid of the two worst players and contracts on the team addresses the biggest need on RD and they get a top 5 goalie who is over paid by 3 million... Big deal. Take it and run. Sens sign a UFA winger and they probably make the playoffs after this trade.

But yeah 0 chance Bob agrees to this.

Florida fans do you think you should sell high on Weegar this year? Seems to me to maximize the assets they deal him and sign Chiarot. You're already deep on the right side and seem to lack a stay at home prescence/physicality on the left side.

I know it would take alot to get a deal done but what would you be looking for?

 

[TGWL]

I respect the idea, but no thanks from Florida's perspective.
Yes, Bob's contract is a tumor on our capsheet for the next four years, but I'd rather have a $10m average goalie and a $3.25m top 4 d-man than $10.75m in pure dead cap. Neither Zaistev nor Murray belong on NHL ice.

You rather go 2 years longer with 10m on an average goalie? Here's the buyout on Murray after July. It's even less if you wait a year. You can buy them both out and still come away with over 5 million in each of the 4 years. Clearly Bob isn't saying yes though.

2022-23	1,750,000						1,750,00
2023-24	750,000	$6,250,000	$0	$2,500,000	$2,500,000	$5,500,000	$750,000
2024-25	2,500,000	$0	$0	$2,500,000	$2,500,000	-$2,500,000	$2,500,000
2025-26	2,500,000	$0	$0	$2,500,000	$2,500,000	-$2,500,000	$2,500,000

 

[Gizmo Tkachuk]

The idea of moving Bob for Florida is to free up all that money now to accommodate for the pay increases to Barkov and Verhaeghe while trying to re-sign Marchment and maybe even Giroux (not to mention Huberdeau the year after).

This deal still leaves us on the hook for 10 or so million while getting downgrades at both positions.

 

[stempniaksen]

Ottawa runs away laughing.
Florida politely declines and then laughs once they've hung up.
Bob and his family say hell to the no.

I know all about Bob's signing bonus issues and sketchy playoff history, but he's a massive upgrade on Murray on-ice and he's a guy who could (along with A.Forsberg) at least put the Sens in a position to push for a playoff spot. The fact they add a local, steady, veteran, top-four defenceman in this deal as well and get to send Zaitsev on his merry way is just gravy. And then you toss in the fact the money moving around is ~even and you start to wonder why Florida is even contemplating this.

If this deal were to actually go down because someone got Bobrovsky in a room with a hypnotist who convinced him Ottawa was going to win a cup, it would involve the Senators sending some futures along with Murray/Zaitsev in a 3 way deal where some other team (Arizona?) takes on at least one of the two albatross deals.

 

[bert]

You rather go 2 years longer with 10m on an average goalie? Here's the buyout on Murray after July. It's even less if you wait a year. You can buy them both out and still come away with over 5 million in each of the 4 years. Clearly Bob isn't saying yes though.

2022-23	1,750,000						1,750,00
2023-24	750,000	$6,250,000	$0	$2,500,000	$2,500,000	$5,500,000	$750,000
2024-25	2,500,000	$0	$0	$2,500,000	$2,500,000	-$2,500,000	$2,500,000
2025-26	2,500,000	$0	$0	$2,500,000	$2,500,000	-$2,500,000	$2,500,000

He is quite clearly an above average goalie. He moves insanely well, was really good in the playoffs and has two vezinas. He is overpaid but not by that much. Would be a massive upgrade to the sens in that position. As @stempniaksen has said Ottawa sens multiple futures to a team like Arizona and Florida to take one of the two players in the deal. Probalby Zaitsev.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Ottawa makes out like bandits here, While Florida gets the royal shaft. Zero chance of Bobrovsky waiving his NMC for Ottawa anyways.

 

[violaswallet]

Ottawa makes out like bandits here, While Florida gets the royal shaft. Zero chance of Bobrovsky waiving his NMC for Ottawa anyways.

The optimal thing with Bob is keep him another year and then try to trade. At three years left, if he is decent another season, it would be possible to find a more reasonable cap swap.

 

[Irie]

Only asset with positive value here is headed to Ottawa.

But the asset with the most negative value in the deal is also attached to it.

 

[YP44]

Only place I could see Bob waiving to is Vegas, but they chose toe keep Lehner over their coach. Also there are obvious cap issues. I imagine he would only waive for somewhere else that has no state tax.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

The optimal thing with Bob is keep him another year and then try to trade. At three years left, if he is decent another season, it would be possible to find a more reasonable cap swap.

Yeah if he has another solid season like this one, He might be better to move with only 3 years left instead of 4 years left. Especially if Florida can win a cup next season. Then he may consider such a move.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

That and living situation is a bit different

Could be. We're all in the hypotheticals.

Dont forget Florida has no State taxes.

Oh, that's nice. Certainly a place to be, considering they won the President's trophy as well.

 

[Drake1588]

Bobrovski says no, waves his ironclad NMC in the air, and everyone else goes home because further negotiations don't matter.

Guys don't waive their trade protection when they're in the state of Florida, and certainly not these days when the two teams are so good, and doubly so when the proposed destination is a small market in Canada.

The Panthers are simply going to have to work around that contract, whether they start giving playing time to Knight or not. In July 2024, that becomes a 16-team partial NMC and they can explore it again then, assuming they can find a taker for that AAV.

 

[kerrabria]

You rather go 2 years longer with 10m on an average goalie? Here's the buyout on Murray after July. It's even less if you wait a year. You can buy them both out and still come away with over 5 million in each of the 4 years. Clearly Bob isn't saying yes though.

2022-23	1,750,000						1,750,00
2023-24	750,000	$6,250,000	$0	$2,500,000	$2,500,000	$5,500,000	$750,000
2024-25	2,500,000	$0	$0	$2,500,000	$2,500,000	-$2,500,000	$2,500,000
2025-26	2,500,000	$0	$0	$2,500,000	$2,500,000	-$2,500,000	$2,500,000

i didn't realize this. yeah, i'd probably do it then.
also, we'd have to wait a year, since the OP trade wants us to pay the July 1 signing bonus, which means the 2022 buyout window till have passed.

 

[Rec T]

Just so you know, seeing Bob Murray in a trade headline can be a PTSD trigger for Ducks fans...