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Well the good news is that he pre-dates Dubas and Keefe, so if they have any say in their firing, then it is not like they are the ones who brought him in.
 
Leafs should think about rebuilding the goaltending department at some point at a number of different positions.

A number of their acquisitions over the years tend to be very athletic goalies but are somewhat weak on technique and puck tracking and we don't have the coaching to really build these guys up. Get a consistent philosophy, find the right types of tenders, and have coaches who can accentuate those play styles. To use a skating analogy, find good eyes to target guys who are worth developing. Get the Barb Underhill to work with them. Get the pipeline going.
 
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Gotta' say this thread is a pretty damning indictment of Briere. He'll probably get promoted as head of a new goaltending department and we'll hire a team of guys worse than him to work under him.
 
Confident goaltending often requires strong technique as a foundation. The goalie experts refer to the way Campbell and Mrazek's style of play as a flow state, which requires an intuitive way of playin. When that's on, it's on. When it's off, it's seriously off. But what you really need is a set of predictable, technical patterns in similar situations. Control those variables, build confidence through repetitive, structured play and have a positive reinforcement through success. It's why you see random backup goalies play Toronto and suddenly they look like a Vezina winner. They're allowed to get shots in, build confidence, and then they throw in some hero saves and it's Hasek night in Arizona.
 
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I dont know whether Briere is any good but Mrazek has had random down years with Detroit, Philly and Carolina so I think it's just him. Does Jack need a goalie coach or a sports psychologist? Agree with whoever said they should grab LAs guy though.
 
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The more I watch the more I’m convinced Briere is a big part of the problem and has to go.

Our goalies let in a ridiculous amount of goals off of poor attention to detail. Pucks squeaking through little holes that just shouldn’t be there in a pro goalie.

You gotta blame the goalie coach for that at least in part. He needs to be able to spot those details and correct them.
 
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Leafs entire approach to goaltending needs to be overhauled. Amateur scouting, pro scouting, development, coaching. It’s been awful for over two decades now and has shown no signs of improving. Briere should be one of the major pieces to go, but whichever pro scouts went or Dubas and said “yeah this is the guy you want to backup Campbell” should be launched out of a cannon too.
 
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makbeer said:
The more I watch the more I’m convinced Briere is a big part of the problem and has to go.

Our goalies let in a ridiculous amount of goals off of poor attention to detail. Pucks squeaking through little holes that just shouldn’t be there in a pro goalie.

You gotta blame the goalie coach for that at least in part. He needs to be able to spot those details and correct them.
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I don't know what kind of tinkering work Briere has done with Mrazek and Campbell, but I just see two goalies who seem to crave the security of getting down into a butterfly to cover up those low shots while conceding the top corners at the worst times. They both seem to be last generation goalies in terms lateral mobility. The work on the posts seem erratic and leaky. Puck tracking is awful, which was a big part of Andersen's decline last season.

Compare and contrast, Kallgren and even Woll both seem to be very quiet blocking goalies. Not sure if Briere is working with them too but the fact that both of them seem to quietly get into their position and sort of absorb shots with minimal movement looks so different to the other two.
 
Even I don't know exactly what he's doing to them, but with these results, yikes. Every Leafs goalie has looked better prior to joining the team, and better after leaving.

Actual good coaches with legitimate prior NHL experience have been fired for less. Yet this clown is somehow still in Toronto.
 
Stephen said:
I don't know what kind of tinkering work Briere has done with Mrazek and Campbell, but I just see two goalies who seem to crave the security of getting down into a butterfly to cover up those low shots while conceding the top corners at the worst times. They both seem to be last generation goalies in terms lateral mobility. The work on the posts seem erratic and leaky. Puck tracking is awful, which was a big part of Andersen's decline last season.

Compare and contrast, Kallgren and even Woll both seem to be very quiet blocking goalies. Not sure if Briere is working with them too but the fact that both of them seem to quietly get into their position and sort of absorb shots with minimal movement looks so different to the other two.
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It has been Elkin and then Toivunen since Greco has left.

Elkin is now our goalie development and evaluation guy (I think that is what Brian Daccord was before he left for ARI) and was responsible for the Peksa pick.

Of course, Cujo is a community representative.
 
Niagara Bill said:
2 weeks into this post, he is still here and failing
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What is a goalie coach going to do?

Somehow make career backups, #1 goalies?

Seriously, some of you need to give your heads a collective shake..

Neither Campbell or Mrazek have EVER been starting goalies in their pro careers.

Never.

How is a goalie coach going to change that?
 
Bomber0104 said:
What is a goalie coach going to do?

Somehow make career backups, #1 goalies?

Seriously, some of you need to give your heads a collective shake..

Neither Campbell or Mrazek have EVER been starting goalies in their pro careers.

Never.

How is a goalie coach going to change that?
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Look at Anderson now , who has this team developed in goal. None have outperformed. He has failed. Nobody improves.
 
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Niagara Bill said:
Look at Anderson now , who has this team developed in goal. None have outperformed. He has failed. Nobody improves.
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Andersen plays for the Canes and they are a perennial contender.

Magic, numbers improve going from this team to THAT..

Mrazek didn't have great numbers on THAT team and even worse numbers than Andersen ever did here, so what does that say?

You're really not getting it, that's what...

:laugh:
 
Bomber0104 said:
Andersen plays for the Canes and they are a perennial contender.

Magic, numbers improve going from this team to THAT..

Mrazek didn't have great numbers on THAT team, so what does that say?

You're really not getting it.

:haha:
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Perennial contenders because of good coaching with mediocre players.
No one improves coming to Leafs.
You don't have a clue about what a coach does.
Anderson was a mess with Leafs.
 
Niagara Bill said:
Perennial contenders because of good coaching with mediocre players.
No one improves coming to Leafs.
You don't have a clue about what a coach does.
Anderson was a mess with Leafs.
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So Andersen just "became" a good goalie overnight with the Canes.

He also just stopped being a good goalie after being one with the Babcock/Lou Leafs teams, and the Ducks because of coaching...

And had one or two bad years with the Keefe offence-first Leafs because of their goalie coaching...

Nothing to do with the team's playstyle or defence...

Good to know.

You clearly have it all figured out.

Carry on :laugh:
 
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Bomber0104 said:
So Andersen just "became" a good goalie overnight with the Canes.

He also just stopped being a good goalie after being one with the Babcock/Lou Leafs teams, and the Ducks because of coaching...

And had one or two bad years with the Keefe offence-first Leafs because of their goalie coaching...

Nothing to do with the team's playstyle or defence...

Good to know.

You clearly have it all figured out.

Carry on :laugh:
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Gee, you agree with me. Anderson was a good goalie and now is a good goalie. Our coaches couldn't handle him, just like Soupy, and PM.
 
This has to be the toughest market to play goalie in the league. Average, soft defence. Opposing players always marking the Leafs date on the calendar. It's no wonder when they leave and go off to sunny low spotlight destinations they always do better. It's just human psychology. Heck look at Mrazek just a year ago. The guy doesn't even look like an NHL goalie at time right now.

On the flipside I don't think the Leafs have ever had a true number 1 in my time. Maybe Belfour for a bit. and No #1 defenceman no market variables are gonna fix that..
 
nuck said:
I dont know whether Briere is any good but Mrazek has had random down years with Detroit, Philly and Carolina so I think it's just him. Does Jack need a goalie coach or a sports psychologist? Agree with whoever said they should grab LAs guy though.
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I agree, looking at the way Mrazek played that goal from the corner and thinking that I am pretty sure that is not how the goalie coach draws that up.

This is a goalie issue. Plain and simple.
 
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