Speculation: Fire Rob Blake Blow it Up Offseason Thread (update: Robitaille and Blake stay)

GoldenBearHockey

Registered User
Jan 6, 2014
9,851
4,091
Here are the losses

Kovalchuk signing
Stevens hire
WD hiring
Fiala trade
PLD trade
Turcotte override
Koala hire
Quick fiasco
Kaliyev fiasco

Interesting takes on this,
Kovalchuk signing, was it a loss? He sure as shit had left in the tank, he performed well in Montreal after he left here,
STevens hire, yes.....making sure you back your promises up is a sure sign of a loss,
Desjarins hire, was interim....not sure how you chalk that up to a loss.....
Fiala trade, not even close to a loss
PLD trade, trending towards a loss, absolutely
Turcotte override, yea you can count that as a loss, but the kid finally healthy had a good showing this year
McCellan hire, not even close to a loss
Quick Fiasco......trading him? Calling him to tell him he was traded? What exactly Fiasco is that
Kaliyev Fiasco......again, what fiasco, if you want to say drafting him sure....ok count that as a loss, but everything after that, wouldn't that be on the player and coaches?
 

Trash Panda

Registered User
May 12, 2021
2,163
3,883
I’m all for putting on the tinfoil hat & pointing fingers at possible collision from the French connection at the top of this organization, however, I am far more quick to believe it’s simply gross ineptitude opposed to sinister manipulation.

These guys are just simply not good NHL-quality brass, and it shows with the complete contradiction between systems & roster construction.

Don’t get me started on prospect development.
 

bland

Registered User
Jul 1, 2004
7,435
10,786
I’m all for putting on the tinfoil hat & pointing fingers at possible collision from the French connection at the top of this organization, however, I am far more quick to believe it’s simply gross ineptitude opposed to sinister manipulation.

These guys are just simply not good NHL-quality brass, and it shows with the complete contradiction between systems & roster construction.

Don’t get me started on prospect development.
It's not sinister - it's friends taking care of each other at the expense of team results while taking advantage of absentee ownership.

That's what is happening here.
 

Trash Panda

Registered User
May 12, 2021
2,163
3,883
It's not sinister - it's friends taking care of each other at the expense of team results while taking advantage of absentee ownership.

That's what is happening here.
I mean… that’s pretty damn sinister, IMO.

Basically a smaller version of congress, only it affects my alcohol consumption, and not the spending power of my dollar.
 

KINGS17

Smartest in the Room
Apr 6, 2006
32,437
11,465
I’m all for putting on the tinfoil hat & pointing fingers at possible collision from the French connection at the top of this organization, however, I am far more quick to believe it’s simply gross ineptitude opposed to sinister manipulation.

These guys are just simply not good NHL-quality brass, and it shows with the complete contradiction between systems & roster construction.

Don’t get me started on prospect development.
Both can be true at the same time. Brisson can have undue influence with the Kings and BLuc can suck at their jobs simultaneously.
 

tny760

Registered User
Mar 12, 2017
19,803
20,988
"If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole."
Well, the math on that quote checks out. :laugh:
thanks for saying it for me

It's not sinister - it's friends taking care of each other at the expense of team results while taking advantage of absentee ownership.

That's what is happening here.
the old george carlin quote about there not needing to be a formal conspiracy when interests converge
 

King'sPawn

Enjoy the chaos
Jul 1, 2003
22,069
21,316
"If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole."
Well, the math on that quote checks out. :laugh:
Hey, take it easy. None of us know what it's like to deal with assholes all day for work. Let's just be grateful our exposure is limited to reading this message board.
 

BigKing

Blake Out of Hell III: Back in to Hell
Mar 11, 2003
11,463
11,865
Belmont Shore, CA
google.com
Sitting on the toilet and just finished reading that Hoven trash on my phone. Was holding more shit in my hand than what's in the bowl.

Patience? Pretty sure DL just finished a WCF appearance in his 7th season and was about to win another Cup in Year 8. Bowlby has blown the pipeline and created a roster that has glaring holes and has gotten worse.

Wonder if I can still cancel my seats.
 

tny760

Registered User
Mar 12, 2017
19,803
20,988
Sitting on the toilet and just finished reading that Hoven trash on my phone. Was holding more shit in my hand than what's in the bowl.

Patience? Pretty sure DL just finished a WCF appearance in his 7th season and was about to win another Cup in Year 8. Bowlby has blown the pipeline and created a roster that has glaring holes and has gotten worse.

Wonder if I can still cancel my seats.
"please god you can't get fired i need my press pass pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease blakey"
 

tigermask48

Maniacal Laugh
Mar 10, 2004
3,675
904
R'Lyeh, Antarctica
Hey, take it easy. None of us know what it's like to deal with assholes all day for work. Let's just be grateful our exposure is limited to reading this message board.
The thought I can't escape after I saw the response was, are they being forced into an industry that they absolutely can't stand and hate, or do they lack the empathy and compassion to deal with people in that industry? Either way... Yikes.
 
  • Like
Reactions: King'sPawn

chris kontos

Registered User
Feb 28, 2023
3,521
2,203
"i have found that several general managers try to be an agents friend and vice versa. i never wanted to be an agents friend for ethical reasons. i did not feel it was appropriate or beneficial to the process."
"please remember your integrity is only for sale once. once your integrity is sold, it no longer has any value, and you do not have any value in the eyes of the industry your in. that goes for both management and agents"
- Brian Burke
Negotiations Involving Agents and General Managers in the NHL
Marquette Sports Law Review vol 4 issue 1 1993
 
Last edited:

johnjm22

Pseudo Intellectual
Aug 2, 2005
19,873
15,520
LOL you have no idea the industry I work in, but you keep believing you do
dpa-a-mcdonalds-employee-is-handing-over-a-tray-of-food-to-a-customer-D3A1A5.jpg
 

Herby

Now I can die in peace
Feb 27, 2002
26,374
15,519
Michigan
Nashville has now lost 5 straight series in the 1st round and hasn't had home-ice in any of the last 4 playoff losses. This is what Blake was shooting for, and sadly he has gotten it. You just can't expect to win in today's NHL without multiple stars in their prime, the league is an arms-race now, everything has adapted to offense, because that is what the fans want, in all sports.

Both teams are stuck in purgatory. Both of these teams are one dominant center away from being legit contenders. It has overtaken goaltending as the most important position in the sport. I think for the Kings, they could win a cup with Talbot as the goalie but not Kopitar as the 1C. You put a J Hughes or Eichel type on either of these teams it's a completely different story.

That is why I was on board with what Blake was doing for a couple of years once they abandoned ship on the contending, it seemed that the Kings were starting a traditional rebuild. They had three very high picks in a row, they traded a lot of veterans for picks but also for established guys further down the path by a couple years (Durzi and Grundstrom). I think Blake fairly analyzed in 2019 that if he got Kopitar and Doughty a 1C and 1D as good or close to as good as they currently were in the 19-21 drafts that they could contend before Kopitar's contract ended and if it went well, even beyond that. This thread probably does not exist if the Kings hit their 14% and win the Hughes lottery, if Turcotte ended up being Toews 2.0 or Vilardi was Getzlaf 2.0 and they don't trade Faber. So in a way you feel for Blake, butin the summer of 2021 he just completely lost his way, he didn’t correctly navigate that he didn’t draft his Kopitar and instead of trying to find that in 2022 or 2023 he just decided to try and trade for it.
Dubois's contract isn't excessively high like a lot of you think it is.

Don't get me wrong, I think it sucks, but the deal he got is what a player of his ilk and age is going get if you want to lock them up long term with the cap expected to go up over time.

This is true, there will be another PLD for some other team, it happens every summer. The biggest issue with PLD is that it’s year 1 of an 8 year deal.

Sitting on the toilet and just finished reading that Hoven trash on my phone. Was holding more shit in my hand than what's in the bowl.

Patience? Pretty sure DL just finished a WCF appearance in his 7th season and was about to win another Cup in Year 8. Bowlby has blown the pipeline and created a roster that has glaring holes and has gotten worse.

Wonder if I can still cancel my seats.

I still can’t believe he posted that garbage, and only a couple of days after he went on his podcast and said anyone who thinks he is carrying water for the organization is a “clueless knucklehead”

The part that really got me the most was referring to DL’s “grave mistakes” and “horrific blunders”, when this guy is completely unwilling to use the same terms to describe Blake’s moves such as the PLD and Fiala trades, the Turcotte pick and the Cal Petersen signing. It’s just so incredibly unprofessional from a guy who says in the post he’s “trying to be as objective as possible”

We won’t get objectivity from Hoven until Blake and Luc are gone, and maybe not even then, because it’s clear he has more of a relationship with them than he did with DL. Even after BLuc are gone and the only thing left is the ashes of their destruction he won’t want to call a spade a spade because those are his boys. No journalistic integrity whatsoever.
 

King'sPawn

Enjoy the chaos
Jul 1, 2003
22,069
21,316
The thought I can't escape after I saw the response was, are they being forced into an industry that they absolutely can't stand and hate, or do they lack the empathy and compassion to deal with people in that industry? Either way... Yikes.
Fair questions.

I know I've been pretty pissy at times, and I would be lying if I didn't say work hasn't been a factor - not to excuse it, but we all have our bad days. I get it.

But if your work is having you wage some war everyday with randos on a message board over disagreements with hockey management because you "deal with ****tards all day," something tells me work isn't the only cause.

And I say this as someone who used to work in the medical industry and once had to train a nurse who thought you could get a blood pressure from a manual cuff without a stethoscope. And now I work in tech support where some missteps from customers have cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Nope. Never have to deal with problematic people. I feel sorry that he's the only one to bear that cross for us.
 
  • Love
Reactions: tigermask48

bland

Registered User
Jul 1, 2004
7,435
10,786
Sitting on the toilet and just finished reading that Hoven trash on my phone. Was holding more shit in my hand than what's in the bowl.

Patience? Pretty sure DL just finished a WCF appearance in his 7th season and was about to win another Cup in Year 8. Bowlby has blown the pipeline and created a roster that has glaring holes and has gotten worse.

Wonder if I can still cancel my seats.
Lombardi took years building the infrastructure that made contending possible, then made the shrewd decisions necessary to put them over the top.

Blake has built nothing and has had his failures hidden behind the good will created by Lombardi's successes. He hasn't used any of the tools left by Lombardi to the team's advantage. He has made soft decisions with scattered, conflicting "plans".

Hoven is just a lousy message board poster with the admirable ambition to build a career off of something he loves. Good for him, we should all be so lucky. But it doesn't mean he is good at what he does.
 
Last edited:

LAKings88

Fire BLuc
Dec 4, 2006
13,984
6,240
Blackhole
It’s a culture of just make the playoffs vs build a contender.

I’m still ok with Fiala but they are still trying to make a race horse pull a cart there.

Drafting centers and turning them into wingers.

Poor draft choices on top of poor development.

Bad contracts to unproven players.

A boring system.

Not trading Roy and bringing up Clarke in his place. We all knew it was a one and done year.

I wish the fans would boycott even one game in protest.
 

kilowatt

the vibes are not immaculate
Jan 1, 2009
18,499
21,270
It’s a culture of just make the playoffs vs build a contender.

I’m still ok with Fiala but they are still trying to make a race horse pull a cart there.

Drafting centers and turning them into wingers.

Poor draft choices on top of poor development.

Bad contracts to unproven players.

A boring system.

Not trading Roy and bringing up Clarke in his place. We all knew it was a one and done year.

I wish the fans would boycott even one game in protest.

I haven't gone to a game the past two seasons, and I definitely don't see myself going any time soon if big changes aren't made.
 

Sol

Smile
Jun 30, 2017
23,409
19,192
I read the Mayor article just now and I think it takes some serious pocket stuffing from the organization to blatantly misconstrue the situation of the Kings. Dean Lombardi got fired and I do think whether or not he needed more time, it was obvious that he simply lost the plot. That doesn't make him a bad GM. DL's problem literally was that he was suffering from success and was put in a unique situation where most GM's have ever been in. You had 2 cups in 2-3 years. What do you do from there on out? The leash for him wasn't even that long because once it was clear he had lost the plot they canned him.

Now with Blake, I have no idea why he has such a long leash. We're just as far away from getting past the first round than we were three years ago. How is this even excusable? He's had a longer leash than DL and he hasn't even had any success to justify it. I don't know whats happened to this organization but I can tell you one thing. I always thought it was a huge problem that the Kings had ZERO identity up until this recent year, as the 1-3-1 that sucks. I have no idea how the Kings management thought it was acceptable to go this long without having an identity.

This is what is scary to me, under DL we all knew what the plan was, what they were building, and what kind of pieces they were looking to add to make the locker-room cohesive, resilient, and courageous. This team lacks cohesiveness, resiliency, and courage.

1. Moore is a complete coward. His face says it all.
2. Anderson is a coward, he got smoked twice, and did nothing.
3.PLD
4. Arviddsson always invisible despite having great deployment.
5. Lizzo whos too small to stand up for anyone, gets routinely killed in the playoffs.
6. Lewis Pk specialist that got destroyed on the PK.
7. Gave up the treasure chest to acquire Gavrikov, and more to sign him. Sucked in the playoffs badly.
8. Matt Roy always good for at least one goal against every game purely based on the fact he's guarding no one near the crease.
9. The Fabled 1-3-1 down 2 goals in game 3 with Lewis and Lizzo out there with 2 minutes left in the game. What the f***?

This is your LA Kings
Most of this roster makes no sense.
 

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Ad