Fire Luke Richardson

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It's not about wins and losses. It's about developing the young players, culture, and putting players in the best position to succeed. Look at the power play with Korchinski on it, compared to not. He is HANDS DOWN their most effective QB. But the coach is too f***ing worried about giving up shorthanded goals(which they do plenty without Korchinski back there) to let the kid play.

Look at the bullshit he did to Reichel this week. Playing well the last few games, has some chemistry with Bedard, and banished to play with Reese f***ing Johnson last night? Then the whole line inexplicably benched while playing really well?

The infatuation with useless veterans is something to behold, in a development year. The only guy deserving of his allocation is Foligno. Tyler Johnson is useless. Taylor Raddysh continues to get power play time he doesn't deserve.

Bedard never sees the ice late in games with an empty net. Absurd nonsense.

Playing Tinordi is just criminal. He should be the 7th D that slots in when kids need a rest. That's it. He's not more deserving of playing time than any of the kids.

IT IS A TANK YEAR, as his defenders keep telling us. So let the f***ing kids play. Let them get valuable experience in all situations.

P.S. The coach's go-to faceoff guy won 5 out of 20 last night. f***ing bravo.
 
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I still think getting a top 2 overall pick is more important than properly coaching up a roster that has MAYBE 3-4 players that will be here in 3-4 years(when it’s time to start competing) anyways. Bedard is gonna be fine. The culture and all that other stuff can wait another year. Let Luke help us lose. We need to lose. The last thing we want is some new coach coming in and galvanizing this current group and squeezing more wins and improved play out of them. Might push us a bit too far up the standings. I don’t wanna draft 6th or 7th. I want 1 or at bare minimum 2. Embrace the suck.
 
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Are you saying that actively f***ing with the development of young players is a necessity of tanking? Because it’s not
Nobody's development is getting "f*cked" with

Bedard: 33/33 GP, 19:31 ATOI
Korchinski: 27/33 GP (missed games due to family death, not scratch), 19:37 ATOI
Reichel: 32/33 GP (despite being arguably the worst forward in the NHL), 14:26 ATOI
Kaiser: 23/33 GP, 16:40 ATOI
Phillips: 17/33 GP, 17:59 ATOI
Vlasic: 27/33 GP (missed games due to injury, not scratch), 20:06 ATOI
Crevier: 10/33 GP, 16:16 ATOI

That's 7 out of the 87 youngest players to play in the NHL (min. 1 game) this season. Young players are getting tons and tons of opportunity to grow and play through their mistakes. If they can't "develop" with that level of opportunity, then there is nothing there. There isn't a team in the League that would give these players this level of ice time (other than the one whose name is Bedard). The idea that he is "infatuated" with veterans is not supported by any sort of data. Korchinski plays a full 2 minutes on the powerplay per game on average, and has 3 assists on the season with 0 goals, and somehow people conclude he's getting no powerplay time and if they'd just play him more, the powerplay woes would be fixed. It's ridiculous.
 

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Nobody's development is getting "f*cked" with

Bedard: 33/33 GP, 19:31 ATOI
Korchinski: 27/33 GP (missed games due to family death, not scratch), 19:37 ATOI
Reichel: 32/33 GP (despite being arguably the worst forward in the NHL), 14:26 ATOI
Kaiser: 23/33 GP, 16:40 ATOI
Phillips: 17/33 GP, 17:59 ATOI
Vlasic: 27/33 GP (missed games due to injury, not scratch), 20:06 ATOI
Crevier: 10/33 GP, 16:16 ATOI

That's 7 out of the 87 youngest players to play in the NHL (min. 1 game) this season. Young players are getting tons and tons of opportunity to grow and play through their mistakes. If they can't "develop" with that level of opportunity, then there is nothing there. There isn't a team in the League that would give these players this level of ice time (other than the one whose name is Bedard). The idea that he is "infatuated" with veterans is not supported by any sort of data. Korchinski plays a full 2 minutes on the powerplay per game on average, and has 3 assists on the season with 0 goals, and somehow people conclude he's getting no powerplay time and if they'd just play him more, the powerplay woes would be fixed. It's ridiculous.
I’d argue demoting Reichel after he played his two best games and then sitting him and claiming “the line didn’t have it” when they were at a 90% expected goals for percentage is actively f***ing with him. Simply playing guys is not development. The communication and messages you send are absolutely paramount. The messaging that Reichel receives is clearly not consistent with the rest of the roster
 

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I’d argue demoting Reichel after he played his two best games and then sitting him and claiming “the line didn’t have it” when they were at a 90% expected goals for percentage is actively f***ing with him. Simply playing guys is not development. The communication and messages you send are absolutely paramount. The messaging that Reichel receives is clearly not consistent with the rest of the roster
It is really easy for us to speculate as to what should and shouldn't be happening but the truth is, if you've been involved in sports, you know all this crap happens for a reason.

We don't know if Reichel is banged up going into the holidays and wants limited minutes, if he is demonstrating poor behaviour, or anything of the like. We just assume Richardson hates him and is actively effing with him. These is so much we don't know, so I'll just trust that King Lizard Wizard KyKy Davidson and Luke Nukem are doing what is best for our young players and hope that it pans out.

If you're reading this Lukas, keep going kid. We believe in ya. Except Musto, he'd shoot you into the sun.
 

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It is really easy for us to speculate as to what should and shouldn't be happening but the truth is, if you've been involved in sports, you know all this crap happens for a reason.

We don't know if Reichel is banged up going into the holidays and wants limited minutes, if he is demonstrating poor behaviour, or anything of the like. We just assume Richardson hates him and is actively effing with him. These is so much we don't know, so I'll just trust that King Lizard Wizard KyKy Davidson and Luke Nukem are doing what is best for our young players and hope that it pans out.

If you're reading this Lukas, keep going kid. We believe in ya. Except Musto, he'd shoot you into the sun.
“Wants limited minutes”
 

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Nobody's development is getting "f*cked" with

Bedard: 33/33 GP, 19:31 ATOI
Korchinski: 27/33 GP (missed games due to family death, not scratch), 19:37 ATOI
Reichel: 32/33 GP (despite being arguably the worst forward in the NHL), 14:26 ATOI
Kaiser: 23/33 GP, 16:40 ATOI
Phillips: 17/33 GP, 17:59 ATOI
Vlasic: 27/33 GP (missed games due to injury, not scratch), 20:06 ATOI
Crevier: 10/33 GP, 16:16 ATOI

That's 7 out of the 87 youngest players to play in the NHL (min. 1 game) this season. Young players are getting tons and tons of opportunity to grow and play through their mistakes. If they can't "develop" with that level of opportunity, then there is nothing there. There isn't a team in the League that would give these players this level of ice time (other than the one whose name is Bedard). The idea that he is "infatuated" with veterans is not supported by any sort of data. Korchinski plays a full 2 minutes on the powerplay per game on average, and has 3 assists on the season with 0 goals, and somehow people conclude he's getting no powerplay time and if they'd just play him more, the powerplay woes would be fixed. It's ridiculous.
Putting a talented young forward with Bedard for one game and then back with Reese Johnson and benching for the third period in a game where they had 10-1 shot attempt advantage isn’t development.

It is really easy for us to speculate as to what should and shouldn't be happening but the truth is, if you've been involved in sports, you know all this crap happens for a reason.

We don't know if Reichel is banged up going into the holidays and wants limited minutes, if he is demonstrating poor behaviour, or anything of the like. We just assume Richardson hates him and is actively effing with him. These is so much we don't know, so I'll just trust that King Lizard Wizard KyKy Davidson and Luke Nukem are doing what is best for our young players and hope that it pans out.

If you're reading this Lukas, keep going kid. We believe in ya. Except Musto, he'd shoot you into the sun.
He literally said word for word, the 4th line didn’t have it tonight. There isn’t a need to speculate. The answer was given.
 

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Putting a talented young forward with Bedard for one game and then back with Reese Johnson and benching for the third period in a game where they had 10-1 shot attempt advantage isn’t development.


He literally said word for word, the 4th line didn’t have it tonight. There isn’t a need to speculate. The answer was given.

That comment alone tells me he has no f***ing clue what he's doing. A total failure of the eye test, as well as fancy stats. Just out to lunch.
 

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Maybe the Hawks and the NHL don't want Reichel interfering with the CB and Hawks branding. For example, when LR was playing on CB's line in the Habs game he wasn't looking immediately to get the puck to CB and CB wasn't trying to get the puck to LR. And LR had an even night. And last night (a game I missed) he had an even night in a game the other guys let seven in. I still think LR is being cost managed. If not, let Musto make the decisions and trade LR to the Caps or Devils for a low second or third! Correction: My mistake, LR was +1 vs the Habs!
 
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Putting a talented young forward with Bedard for one game and then back with Reese Johnson and benching for the third period in a game where they had 10-1 shot attempt advantage isn’t development.


He literally said word for word, the 4th line didn’t have it tonight. There isn’t a need to speculate. The answer was given.
That's not am actual answer. Did the media ask for a specific moment follow up?

He had a specific reason against why he had an issue with the Montreal game. Reichel blew a great oppertitny by taking a shot at a defender he could of skated by. Sure his line was 10-1 in shots. That's not enough data to say they maybe weren't doing great. Maybe they kept blowing opportunities like that?

And maybe they did have great plays and Rich was an idiot in that evaluation. Just bland corsi doesn't tell enough. Were those even. I didn't look to see If he clarified what specifically they didn't have. Because he also blamed the team for not having legs I. The 3rd yet he was scratching a line.
 

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Maybe the Hawks and the NHL don't want Reichel interfering with the CB and Hawks branding. For example, when LR was playing on CB's line in the Habs game he wasn't looking immediately to get the puck to CB and CB wasn't trying to get the puck to LR. And LR had an even night. And last night (a game I missed) he had an even night in a game the other guys let seven in. I still think LR is being cost managed. If not, let Musto make the decisions and trade LR to the Caps or Devils for a low second or third! Correction: My mistake, LR was +1 vs the Habs!
Bro what
 

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That's not am actual answer. Did the media ask for a specific moment follow up?

He had a specific reason against why he had an issue with the Montreal game. Reichel blew a great oppertitny by taking a shot at a defender he could of skated by. Sure his line was 10-1 in shots. That's not enough data to say they maybe weren't doing great. Maybe they kept blowing opportunities like that?

And maybe they did have great plays and Rich was an idiot in that evaluation. Just bland corsi doesn't tell enough. Were those even. I didn't look to see If he clarified what specifically they didn't have. Because he also blamed the team for not having legs I. The 3rd yet he was scratching a line.
Guy gets a shot blocked and its back to the 4th line. That's pretty f***ing ridiculous honestly.
 

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Guy gets a shot blocked and its back to the 4th line. That's pretty f***ing ridiculous honestly.
Why can't people talk about nuances? Yesz thats 1 example of multiple. Its a clear one. Its not the only thing. Why do we react like it's this single 1 play 1 moment. Or it needs to be something visible by basic stats.

He complained team wise in interviews bout the backcheck/forecheck effort. And yeah, when most of your roster players don't matter it's fine. But to those that matter, you should have the high standards.

 

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“Wants limited minutes”
There are games, back in the day, where I was definitely banged up heading into a break from games and you dont give a shit if you play limited minutes. Loads of guys have those instances.

Not saying this is the reason but I think you all underestimate the grind of the NHL or how much some of these guys give a crap over 82 games.
 

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Why can't people talk about nuances? Yesz thats 1 example of multiple. Its a clear one. Its not the only thing. Why do we react like it's this single 1 play 1 moment. Or it needs to be something visible by basic stats.

He complained team wise in interviews bout the backcheck/forecheck effort. And yeah, when most of your roster players don't matter it's fine. But to those that matter, you should have the high standards.


Okay so a guy you've been trying to get going all season follows up his best game of the year with a merely okay game and its back to the fourth line. Then when that 4th line plays well it gets benched anyway for a third of the game. There's having high standards and there's being ridiculous.
 

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There are games, back in the day, where I was definitely banged up heading into a break from games and you dont give a shit if you play limited minutes. Loads of guys have those instances.

Not saying this is the reason but I think you all underestimate the grind of the NHL or how much some of these guys give a crap over 82 games.
Good thing you weren't drafted in the 1st round and trying to make millions of $$ like Reichel is.
 
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MFs saw Bedard and immediately expected this team to get an extra 20 wins while ignoring we are still closer to the trade deadline hawks team of last year from a talent standpoint

Hall is out for the season

AA predictably regressed

Söderbloom regressed but he’s young for a goalie still

Besides Bedard this team didn’t get a whole lot better which was part of the point this was never going to be a one year rebuild. The team won’t be competitive till we have Bedard, Reichel, Nazar, Moore, KK and whoever we pick this draft playing to their potential.

Until then be happy this isn’t Bowman’s trademark bullshit from 2017-22 where we change our teams plan every offseason between Retooling and trying to contend only to be mid af
 

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MFs saw Bedard and immediately expected this team to get an extra 20 wins while ignoring we are still closer to the trade deadline hawks team of last year from a talent standpoint

Hall is out for the season

AA predictably regressed

Söderbloom regressed but he’s young for a goalie still

Besides Bedard this team didn’t get a whole lot better which was part of the point this was never going to be a one year rebuild. The team won’t be competitive till we have Bedard, Reichel, Nazar, Moore, KK and whoever we pick this draft playing to their potential.

Until then be happy this isn’t Bowman’s trademark bullshit from 2017-22 where we change our teams plan every offseason between Retooling and trying to contend only to be mid af
Can you point out who on this board or in this thread "expected to get an extra 20 wins"? Because there's a pretty solid consensus that it's another tank year. And nobody is complaining about losing.
 
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Good thing you weren't drafted in the 1st round and trying to make millions of $$ like Reichel is.
I’m not arguing your point because of course he is aiming to be his best, etc. but my point was that we don’t know what is going on, so don’t just assume the worst.

Also, you’re kidding yourself if you don’t think each and every guy in the NHL has games where they don’t overly care about the outcome or how much ice they get. Do you give 100% every day at your work?

Anyway, not the point but Merry Christmas to ya filthy animals and may we have a solid second half to the season and all our players find their stride.
 

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