Fire Luke Richardson

[WarriorofTime]

Keith, Seabrook, Campbell, Sharp, Hossa, Kane, Toews, Leddy....Plenty of PP talent back in the day.

Plenty of PP talent to be around 14th in the League on average.

The point still eludes you, I see. Even with talent, poor PP design trumps all.

It's completely insane to earnestly believe that the 2023-24 Chicago Blackhawks don't have a "talent" issue when it comes to the Powerplay. Like it's actually a baffling opinion and reeks "agenda".

I don't know how anyone with a shred of hockey knowledge can watch this f***ing PP setup, and think the setup and philosophy isn't horseshit.

I don't know how anyone with a shred of hockey knowledge can think the "setup" and philosophy are of greater concern than the personnel. This isn't the NFL, you can't scheme your way out of bad players to some magnificent extent, you can just try and get hot, which they likely will eventually.

Absolutely clueless.

Just like thinking that there's some point to be made about the Kane/Toews era powerplay and thinking it's relevant for the Bedard era powerplay as part of a broader discussion on firing the Coach in a tank year as some "it's all the scheme, bro" sort of dude science.

 

[bwanajamba]

The best PP coach in the world wouldn't change the fact that PKers can play as aggressively as they like against this team as more than half the guys on PP1 struggle to make plays under pressure and are liable to mishandle a pass or make an unforced sloppy pass at any moment. Doesn't help that they also struggle with controlled entries and lose most of their board battles. They simply need more talent.

Not saying the coaching isn't a part of the problem but I promise they aren't coaching everyone to stand still- they just don't get to the point of fluid movement in most powerplays because the puckhandler is constantly getting trapped and they don't have the dynamism to make up for it.

 

[WarriorofTime]

The best PP coach in the world wouldn't change the fact that PKers can play as aggressively as they like against this team as more than half the guys on PP1 struggle to make plays under pressure and are liable to mishandle a pass or make an unforced sloppy pass at any moment. Doesn't help that they also struggle with controlled entries and lose most of their board battles. They simply need more talent.

Not saying the coaching isn't a part of the problem but I promise they aren't coaching everyone to stand still- they just don't get to the point of fluid movement in most powerplays because the puckhandler is constantly getting trapped and they don't have the dynamism to make up for it.

Esp. with the teenage defenseman everyone is clamoring for, just blanket statements like "just get more movement, bro"... sounds like lotta shorthanded goals against.

 

[Pez68]

Here's a perfect example of poor coaching on the power play. Here was the #1 PP last game:

Seth Jones - R
Connor Bedard- R
Tyler Johnson - R
Taylor Raddysh - R
Philip Kurashev - L

So four right handed shots. So all of your one timers are going to come from right to left. Where is your best player playing? On the left. Bedard has only one player he can setup for a one timer on the whole ice. He's not a one-time shooter, so camping him out at the top left circle is clownshoes. If you're going to have FOUR RH shots on the PP(which is a problem in and of itself), you can't operate off the left wall. It has to be the right side. As it stands, it's ridiculously easy to defend that setup and personnel. You shade Bedard, take away the cross-ice to Kurashev, and don't even worry about Seth Jones, because he's never in a position to take a one timer. He's never a shooting option, BY THE VERY DESIGN of the power play.

Bedard operating on the right side opens up THREE options that aren't there with the current setup. The low to high one timer from Jones. Raddysh or Johnson leaking into the slot for the mid-ice shooting option. Raddysh or Johnson cross-ice. Kurashev can operate in the right side bumper for cross-crease options.

This is power play 101, and the fact that people can argue coaching isn't a huge problem, when the entire DESIGN of the PP dooms it to fail, is f***ing idiotic.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Here's a perfect example of poor personnel on the power play. Here was the #1 PP last game:

Seth Jones - R
Connor Bedard- R
Tyler Johnson - R
Taylor Raddysh - R
Philip Kurashev - L

Fixed that for you

 

[bwanajamba]

Esp. with the teenage defenseman everyone is clamoring for, just blanket statements like "just get more movement, bro"... sounds like lotta shorthanded goals against.

I mean the other guy has been abysmal too.

 

[Pez68]

Fixed that for you

So because they don't have ideal personnel, it's OK that the coaching staff sets the power play up to fail repeatedly? f*** off.

And this is a concern on a bad team not because of wins and losses, but because a player like Bedard KNOWS they are being put into a position to fail.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Bedard KNOWS they are being put into a position to fail.

Bedard is doing just fine, guy

 

[ClydeLee]

Here's a perfect example of poor coaching on the power play. Here was the #1 PP last game:

Seth Jones - R
Connor Bedard- R
Tyler Johnson - R
Taylor Raddysh - R
Philip Kurashev - L

So four right handed shots. So all of your one timers are going to come from right to left. Where is your best player playing? On the left. Bedard has only one player he can setup for a one timer on the whole ice. He's not a one-time shooter, so camping him out at the top left circle is clownshoes. If you're going to have FOUR RH shots on the PP(which is a problem in and of itself), you can't operate off the left wall. It has to be the right side. As it stands, it's ridiculously easy to defend that setup and personnel. You shade Bedard, take away the cross-ice to Kurashev, and don't even worry about Seth Jones, because he's never in a position to take a one timer. He's never a shooting option, BY THE VERY DESIGN of the power play.

Bedard operating on the right side opens up THREE options that aren't there with the current setup. The low to high one timer from Jones. Raddysh or Johnson leaking into the slot for the mid-ice shooting option. Raddysh or Johnson cross-ice. Kurashev can operate in the right side bumper for cross-crease options.

This is power play 101, and the fact that people can argue coaching isn't a huge problem, when the entire DESIGN of the PP dooms it to fail, is f***ing idiotic.

I'm sorry but much of this way overdramatic

Also, that unit scored. From the RHD options Bedard passing to Tyler up top, but if a lefty wouldn't be as able to get that shot pass on Raddysh who tipped it in.

Bedard is not a one-timer shooter? I dont know what in the world you mean by that. Sure it's not all to his game. He already has a couple onetime goals from the left circle though. Their goal is to probably maxims possession by being able to pass around the perimeter with offhand wingers. They don't have any talent to try to push the pass. Especially when Hall, Perry, and AA were all better PP guys out. And Reichel out that game.

And still, That unit actually scored. But they have no talent. Replacing guys with Donato, Dickenson, or replacing Jones won't help in the positive overall ends. Not with the options they have at talent. The coaching is irrelevant to the high low end talent.

You wanna fire Derek Plante,(who few seem to know is the PP coach) sure. But what coach is going to teach or tell low their powerplay talent to be better at handling passes, seeing lanes, firing shots through traffic... no change is going to make a discernable difference. Coaching is the nor not been the significant issue with a roster constructed by intentionally tanking.

 

[Pez68]

I'm sorry but much of this way overdramatic

Also, that unit scored. From the RHD options Bedard passing to Tyler up top, but if a lefty wouldn't be as able to get that shot pass on Raddysh who tipped it in.

Bedard is not a one-timer shooter? I dont know what in the world you mean by that. Sure it's not all to his game. He already has a couple onetime goals from the left circle though. Their goal is to probably maxims possession by being able to pass around the perimeter with offhand wingers. They don't have any talent to try to push the pass. Especially when Hall, Perry, and AA were all better PP guys out. And Reichel out that game.

And still, That unit actually scored. But they have no talent. Replacing guys with Donato, Dickenson, or replacing Jones won't help in the positive overall ends. Not with the options they have at talent. The coaching is irrelevant to the high low end talent.

You wanna fire Derek Plante,(who few seem to know is the PP coach) sure. But what coach is going to teach or tell low their powerplay talent to be better at handling passes, seeing lanes, firing shots through traffic... no change is going to make a discernable difference. Coaching is the nor not been the significant issue with a roster constructed by intentionally tanking.

I see you're also ignoring the fact that making one simple switch(Bedard to the right) opens up the entire power play. All of these struggles are a result of handedness, and their setup.

They scored because Tyler Johnson went to shoot a puck, it went off the defenseman, and then went off Raddysh, who had no idea where the puck even was... Shot pass.... Lol

 

[ClydeLee]

I see you're also ignoring the fact that making one simple switch(Bedard to the right) opens up the entire power play. All of these struggles are a result of handedness, and their setup.

They scored because Tyler Johnson went to shoot a puck, it went off the defenseman, and then went off Raddysh, who had no idea where the puck even was... Shot pass.... Lol

All of these struggles are of hardiness? You think Kurashev, Jones, Johnson, or Reichel, whoever would start plotting goals in this powerplay of just handed side was switched to maximize one-timers?


And you are not being objective here. You just somehow think it's all coaching which is assigned. On this goal Raddysh clearly was setting up for a redirection with his stick & skates. Johnsons shot was right on path to Raddysh, it did hit the defender then fleury then Raddysh. But by being in position expecting the play.

 

[Pez68]

All of these struggles are of hardiness? You think Kurashev, Jones, Johnson, or Reichel, whoever would start plotting goals in this powerplay of just handed side was switched to maximize one-timers?


And you are not being objective here. You just somehow think it's all coaching which is assigned. On this goal Raddysh clearly was setting up for a redirection with his stick & skates. Johnsons shot was right on path to Raddysh, it did hit the defender then fleury then Raddysh. But by being in position expecting the play.

The puck moves much, much quicker when you are opened up and facing the middle of the ice, and not catching passes across your body... The threat of one timers moves defenders around more, and gives them less time to reposition. The ability to get rid of shots as soon as it reaches your stick is invaluable. Yes, handedness and where you setup is that important. Holy shit.

Bedard has no options when he sets up on the left, and the opposing PK absolutely knows it... He can dump it down to a low threat near the corner in Johnson, or throw it back to Jones up top. Who has to catch the puck across his body and change his body position before he can even think about shooting.

These aren't difficult concepts to understand for anyone who has ever coached or played at a decent enough level. Every pass results in a guy having to adjust his body position, and they can't fire the puck right off the pass. It slows EVERYTHING down.

 

[Mrfenn92]

 

[MarotteMarauder]

There are literally 10-12 coaches in the Chicago minor hockey programs that could design an effective PP. The question would be would the players listen.

The talent on the roster would be able to execute if they listened and practiced it.

Other issues that irk me is that they never outman the PK team when they lose possession.
The team doesn't seem to understand the concept of creating 2 on 1s all over the ice and use them to their advantage.

Seems coaching has just become skill development and not game awareness or understanding.
I'm getting old....sigh.

 

[Pez68]

There are literally 10-12 coaches in the Chicago minor hockey programs that could design an effective PP. The question would be would the players listen.

The talent on the roster would be able to execute if they listened and practiced it.

Other issues that irk me is that they never outman the PK team when they lose possession.
The team doesn't seem to understand the concept of creating 2 on 1s all over the ice and use them to their advantage.

Seems coaching has just become skill development and not game awareness or understanding.
I'm getting old....sigh.

Nah. I'm ten years younger than Richardson. It's not an age issue. It's a lack of knowledge/instruction of offensive concepts. Lots of who you know resulting in coaching opportunities in the NHL, as opposed to what you know, and how well you can convey it. The staff in Rockford is better at this.

 

[statswatcher]

so if they fire lurich and the team continues to be an ahl team playing against nhl talent (because that's what they are), will you come back to this thread and apologize or will i have to track you down and make you or will the team just not do that because it would be an obviously pointless waste of money?

 

[ChiHawks10]

so if they fire lurich and the team continues to be an ahl team playing against nhl talent (because that's what they are), will you come back to this thread and apologize or will i have to track you down and make you or will the team just not do that because it would be an obviously pointless waste of money?

 

[statswatcher]

fairly simple question. which of these will occur:
-lurich fired, no improvement, hattrick apologizes
-lurich fired, no improvement, hattrick does not apologize
-lurich not fired because anyone with eyes to watch stats or otherwise can see it would accomplish less than nothing

these are your only three alternatives.

 

[Pez68]

so if they fire lurich and the team continues to be an ahl team playing against nhl talent (because that's what they are), will you come back to this thread and apologize or will i have to track you down and make you or will the team just not do that because it would be an obviously pointless waste of money?

I'm not even in favor of firing him, because who gives a f*** about this season? It's another tank year, and him and the buffoons coaching with him only help that. But this coaching staff sucks.

 

[ChiHawks10]

fairly simple question. which of these will occur:
-lurich fired, no improvement, hattrick apologizes
-lurich fired, no improvement, hattrick does not apologize
-lurich not fired because anyone with eyes to watch stats or otherwise can see it would accomplish less than nothing

these are your only three alternatives.

I misunderstood the post.

 

[Hawkaholic]

The PP isn't a talent issue. Thinking NHL players can't pass the puck well enough to get some movement and have a functional power play is absurd nonsense.

The PP sucked here even when they were LOADED with talent, because they've never had a coach worth a shit running it. Aside from Barry Smith, as mentioned.

It is 70% talent issue, 30% coaching. PKs are way too good to just pass the puck around and score goals these days. You need high end quality passes, great creativity to get open/find open players. Good NHL PPs have high end NHL talent on them, not just NHL talent like 3rd and 4th liners.

Have a great PP coach here, maybe we sit 25th in the league, add much better talent with the same coaching you'll get a league average PP.

There's a direct correlation between total GF and a good PP, because you need guys who can pass it well, and put the puck in the net. We have no one outside of 1 guy.

 

[Chuck Testa]

I'm not even in favor of firing him, because who gives a f*** about this season? It's another tank year, and him and the buffoons coaching with him only help that. But this coaching staff sucks.

Yeah I agree.

This is exactly the kind of coaching staff a team would want in a tank year. It's a gross team to watch night in and night out. I can't see these guys all being with the team still once things begin to turn around and the Hawks become more and more competitive.

 

[TLEH]

I don't think the Raddysh PP goal is some proof of success. TJ got lucky the puck went under the guys legs and it got tipped in by Raddysh without him even looking. Wouldn't call that "repeatable"

 

[dj Mahoney]

Silly thread ,the guy worked miracles last year . This roster is devoid of talent and we need another top 4 pick.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Silly thread ,the guy worked miracles last year . This roster is devoid of talent and we need another top 4 pick.

It's kind of silly, just because of where we are at. But he is making dumb decisions, and it could hurt the progression of some of the younger players. But I feel like the team is working hard, and enjoy him as a coach, just the standard pros and cons of pretty much every coach in the league, ever.