Fire Luke Richardson

[hockeydoug]

This is a rebuild. What do you expect? That they draft one good player and all the sudden they're a contender again? You sound delusional. The players on the Hawks 2010-2016 Cup teams literally took YEARS to draft and develop. Guys like Keith and Seabs were drafted in 2002 and 2003. They weren't even remotely competitive until 5 years after those guys were drafted, after they picked up two HoF caliber players in the 2006 and 2007 drafts. Then they needed to make savvy trades and free agent signings to complete the rosters for those runs. I'm not sure what you're expecting, but this is literally the 1st season of the true rebuild process for this team. Expect them to have losing records for at least another 2-3 seasons, unless they absolutely knock it out of the park with their draft picks, and they get some surprise development from guys a la Patrick Sharp.

A lot went right for those teams to end up being as good as they were. To think that it's all going to go right again... just one year into the rebuild... is well, delusional.

smh.

This is nothing like 2002 to 2009.

Nobody expects wins. What is he there for besides losing and how or what is he accomplishing in that role that is better than literally any replacement coach in the league?

For example, On the beautiful KK assist the other night...why is that kid on pp2 again? How many coaches are allowed to go 22 losses on the road as they're trying to build some sort of culture?

 

[hockeydoug]

The Hawks are expected to lose, I fully understand that. The losing doesn't bother me, it's HOW they lose that is just wrong.

They come out flat waaaay to frequently.
Special teams have no structure for success.

The first 2 weeks they were taking the body, no fly bys, tough basic hockey. Where did that go?


What young players is LR developing?
Bedard? He's on his own.
Kurashev? No development there.
Kaiser, Phillips? Nope
Vlasic and KK? Maybe
Reichel? Nope

Amen.

The things that should show some movement, at least to keep up with progression of young players or team culture (not wins) around the rest of the league, have not moved in a positive direction.

 

[hockeydoug]

Kurashev is twice the player he was 2 years ago.

Kurashev just went 21 games with a single goal with first line minutes.

 

[ChiHawks10]

The Hawks have a coach with a record setting bad performance. What's the downside of replacing him? Why retain him? Wasting time is bad enough, most coaches will waste everyone's time with KD's roster, but this is worse than wasting time.

It's lowering the bar of expectations. Why keep him if you can get the same or better results from a box of cheezits?


The culture is the bar of expectations for the franchise. KD and Danny talked about expectations, so now they're telling everyone across the board in every office that it's okay to be historically bad, we'll keep paying you, but we're going to apply different standards to other personnel, and yeah, the historically bad guy can do what he wants with players.

This is across the board clown show. It's understandable to have bad results and it's understandable to have a reasonable bar of expectations like "don't be the comp for the worst modern records in the NHL".

He wasn't hired to win, but this is a bit much.

smh.

This is nothing like 2002 to 2009.

Nobody expects wins. What is he there for besides losing and how or what is he accomplishing in that role that is better than literally any replacement coach in the league?

For example, On the beautiful KK assist the other night...why is that kid on pp2 again? How many coaches are allowed to go 22 losses on the road as they're trying to build some sort of culture?

I don't care about Richardson. Trust me, I'm with you when it comes to him. I get frustrated with him on a nightly basis. He repeatedly makes braindead decisions when it comes to his young players.

But in the post above, the bolded comments seemed as if you were blaming KD for a bunch of this stuff, and to me, there's no reason to blame him in year 1-2 of the rebuild. If I misunderstood, then that's my bad. Just seemed like you were criticizing far more than just the coach, which is a weird thing to do in such a young rebuild.

I couldn't care less if they fire the coach right now because the season is just about over, and he really hasn't had much of anything to work with outside of a few young, promising teenagers, and a handful of solid NHL players. I don't like him, but I don't see the point in firing him as of this point. Now if the team is more talented next year, and things are still trending as poorly as they are, by all means, shitcan the guy.

 

[TLEH]

Kurashev just went 21 games with a single goal with first line minutes.

Not sure when he went 21. He’s playing a role he’s not made for. I agree.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Kurashev just went 21 games with a single goal with first line minutes.

Didn't know the amount of goals you have scored in the last 21 games reflects how good of a player you are.

 

[ColbyChaos]

This is a rebuild. What do you expect? That they draft one good player and all the sudden they're a contender again? You sound delusional. The players on the Hawks 2010-2016 Cup teams literally took YEARS to draft and develop. Guys like Keith and Seabs were drafted in 2002 and 2003. They weren't even remotely competitive until 5 years after those guys were drafted, after they picked up two HoF caliber players in the 2006 and 2007 drafts. Then they needed to make savvy trades and free agent signings to complete the rosters for those runs. I'm not sure what you're expecting, but this is literally the 1st season of the true rebuild process for this team. Expect them to have losing records for at least another 2-3 seasons, unless they absolutely knock it out of the park with their draft picks, and they get some surprise development from guys a la Patrick Sharp.

A lot went right for those teams to end up being as good as they were. To think that it's all going to go right again... just one year into the rebuild... is well, delusional.

It’s Doug lol he wanted us to trade all our picks for picks this last year for picks in 2030 cuz Covid. Dude just wants us to be stuck in the hell that was 2018-2022 forever

 

[BHFAN92]

Didn't know the amount of goals you have scored in the last 21 games reflects how good of a player you are.

well its kinds of a big part of the game, especially if you are playing 1st line minutes, I get he can still have good games but lets not pretend he is some revelation.

 

[Hawkaholic]

well its kinds of a big part of the game, especially if you are playing 1st line minutes, I get he can still have good games but lets not pretend he is some revelation.

No one said he was. I said he is twice the player he was 2 years ago, which he is. He was barely an NHLer 2 years ago, struggling to find his game. He is a legit 3rd line C now, with potential for more.

 

[hockeydoug]

I don't care about Richardson. Trust me, I'm with you when it comes to him. I get frustrated with him on a nightly basis. He repeatedly makes braindead decisions when it comes to his young players.

But in the post above, the bolded comments seemed as if you were blaming KD for a bunch of this stuff, and to me, there's no reason to blame him in year 1-2 of the rebuild. If I misunderstood, then that's my bad. Just seemed like you were criticizing far more than just the coach, which is a weird thing to do in such a young rebuild.

I couldn't care less if they fire the coach right now because the season is just about over, and he really hasn't had much of anything to work with outside of a few young, promising teenagers, and a handful of solid NHL players. I don't like him, but I don't see the point in firing him as of this point. Now if the team is more talented next year, and things are still trending as poorly as they are, by all means, shitcan the guy.

Unlike Bowman where we never really knew where and when McD meddled, it seems KD has the reigns.

It's KD's plan, KD hired Richardson, built the roster for this coaching staff, called up the kids to play in these circumstances, and has chose to keep the staff around. So yes, blame goes up the ladder.

It’s Doug lol he wanted us to trade all our picks for picks this last year for picks in 2030 cuz Covid. Dude just wants us to be stuck in the hell that was 2018-2022 forever

Uh oh, another fan of a Buffalo style rebuild. Nobody said give away the highest picks.

Too many picks and a large pool are tough to manage and diminish the value of trades. It's just math unless they get lucky. The top 5-10 undrafted types are usually worth as much or more than the average of late firsts and especially 2nds and Chicago is out of the market for most of them.

I still don't understand why fans are so in favor of willingly giving away one of the best assets the franchise has, a club that buys all the extras for the players, in a great town for players to live.

BTW, that coach and management staff you're such a fan of kind of missed the mark on more of the kids this year than they hit on this year, so feel free to keep telling us how wrong anyone is for questioning the front office.

cheers

Didn't know the amount of goals you have scored in the last 21 games reflects how good of a player you are.

True, but I think it's a fair comment to make to argue that a player isn't twice as good if they get more minutes and produce below 4th line level per 60 for a quarter season.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Unlike Bowman where we never really knew where and when McD meddled, it seems KD has the reigns.

It's KD's plan, KD hired Richardson, built the roster for this coaching staff, called up the kids to play in these circumstances, and has chose to keep the staff around. So yes, blame goes up the ladder.


Uh oh, another fan of a Buffalo style rebuild. Nobody said give away the highest picks.

Too many picks and a large pool are tough to manage and diminish the value of trades. It's just math unless they get lucky. The top 5-10 undrafted types are usually worth as much or more than the average of late firsts and especially 2nds and Chicago is out of the market for most of them.

I still don't understand why fans are so in favor of willingly giving away one of the best assets the franchise has, a club that buys all the extras for the players, in a great town for players to live.

BTW, that coach and management staff you're such a fan of kind of missed the mark on more of the kids this year than they hit on this year, so feel free to keep telling us how wrong anyone is for questioning the front office.

cheers


True, but I think it's a fair comment to make to argue that a player isn't twice as good if they get more minutes and produce below 4th line level per 60 for a quarter season.

Again... it's like YEAR ONE of the actual rebuild. What do you expect him to do?

Like every single one of his offensive stats has steadily improved year to year.

 

[WarriorofTime]

"Look, the losing I am fine with, but the part where they get outscored almost every game time is completely unacceptable"

 

[Callidusblackhawk]

I still don't understand why fans are so in favor of willingly giving away one of the best assets the franchise has, a club that buys all the extras for the players, in a great town for players to live.

Why do you think the team has stopped doing this? Why does stocking up on draft picks stop the team from doing this?

 

[Hawkaholic]

True, but I think it's a fair comment to make to argue that a player isn't twice as good if they get more minutes and produce below 4th line level per 60 for a quarter season.

He had 9 points in that 20 game span, 4th liners don't score at that pace, hate to break it to you. And it happened when the entire team couldn't score, and he was playing with 4th line players.

He has 10 more points than his previous career high, in 14 less games played. His faceoffs and defensive play has improved, and you can just tell by watching him that he is way better than he was two years ago. It's really not even debatable.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Kurashev is the same offensive player he's been for awhile he's just stapled to Bedard and the top PP unit this season. He's got a bit of skill but he's not markedly better at anything but putting up points which is a direct reflection of playing a bigger role with better players.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Kurashev is the same offensive player he's been for awhile he's just stapled to Bedard and the top PP unit this season. He's got a bit of skill but he's not markedly better at anything but putting up points which is a direct reflection of playing a bigger role with better players.

Couldn't disagree more. He was a borderline NHLer 2 years ago. He's a bonafide top 9 player now.

 

[ColbyChaos]

Unlike Bowman where we never really knew where and when McD meddled, it seems KD has the reigns.

It's KD's plan, KD hired Richardson, built the roster for this coaching staff, called up the kids to play in these circumstances, and has chose to keep the staff around. So yes, blame goes up the ladder.


Uh oh, another fan of a Buffalo style rebuild. Nobody said give away the highest picks.

Too many picks and a large pool are tough to manage and diminish the value of trades. It's just math unless they get lucky. The top 5-10 undrafted types are usually worth as much or more than the average of late firsts and especially 2nds and Chicago is out of the market for most of them.

I still don't understand why fans are so in favor of willingly giving away one of the best assets the franchise has, a club that buys all the extras for the players, in a great town for players to live.

BTW, that coach and management staff you're such a fan of kind of missed the mark on more of the kids this year than they hit on this year, so feel free to keep telling us how wrong anyone is for questioning the front office.

cheers


True, but I think it's a fair comment to make to argue that a player isn't twice as good if they get more minutes and produce below 4th line level per 60 for a quarter season.

Not even close to a Buffalo style rebuild. What buffalol did was try to rush contention right after getting Eichel by bringing in Kane, ROR, Lehner, etc when they didn’t even have the support cast yet. Curious how us building through the draft with multiple shots at the board is doing a Buffalo rebuild.

If anything your pure genius idea of trading the majority of our picks a half decade later is how you get a decade long rebuild

 

[BLKHKhockey]

Kurashev is a good third liner on bad to average teams. Don't see him bringing value on a playoff team.

 

[hockeydoug]

Why do you think the team has stopped doing this? Why does stocking up on draft picks stop the team from doing this?

Young undrafted free agents seldom sign where they don't have their TOI all but guaranteed. They're not signing in Chicago to fight for a chance to earn their next contract. They want some security.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Doug wants less first and second picks to sign more undrafted free agents ... you can't make this up.

 

[hockeydoug]

Not even close to a Buffalo style rebuild. What buffalol did was try to rush contention right after getting Eichel by bringing in Kane, ROR, Lehner, etc when they didn’t even have the support cast yet. Curious how us building through the draft with multiple shots at the board is doing a Buffalo rebuild.

If anything your pure genius idea of trading the majority of our picks a half decade later is how you get a decade long rebuild

The early Pegula years were very similar. 12 picks in the first 2 rounds for 3 straight years, committed tank, new, young gm who had been around the block in other roles, lots of retread "loyal" lower staff, committed to an internal core, etc. Hawks got luckier with the lotto early. Eichel was later.

Blind leading the blind for years in the Buff. It's hard to evaluate a bad team of young players against competition that doesn't care. That's what they Hawks have to look forward to figuring out.

No gm drafted more picks in 2 years and more in the first 2 rounds in 2 consecutive drafts than any KD in the cap era. KD must have been the only visionary in a front office the last 18 years.

I was never against have 3 picks in the top 40 and a bunch of lotto tickets they don't have to sign. You can at least have a plan and management path for all the players without fighting the CBA more than you have to.

 

[hockeydoug]

Doug wants less first and second picks to sign more undrafted free agents ... you can't make this up.

I want more NHL players to help develop the kids as they tank and to keep a path open to sign the good UDFAs instead of ignoring the roster and other unique franchise advantages.

But keep twisting things around.

Good picks from late firsts and 2nd rounders in the cap era that contributed significantly to the Hawks through 2017:
Cat, Saad.

Good Udfas that contributed significantly during the same period:
Panarin, Niemi

If you want to say Danault, I'll say Hagel. Maybe Vlasic (who I think will be a solid long term player) and Commesso and Kantserov and Rinzel are excellent long term options, but we were saying the same stuff about Johns and Morin types.

In the meantime the difference between that 3rd mid 2nd round pick and a bunch of later picks from dumping the UDFAs just isn't that great.

 

[hockeydoug]

He had 9 points in that 20 game span, 4th liners don't score at that pace, hate to break it to you. And it happened when the entire team couldn't score, and he was playing with 4th line players.

He has 10 more points than his previous career high, in 14 less games played. His faceoffs and defensive play has improved, and you can just tell by watching him that he is way better than he was two years ago. It's really not even debatable.

He's getting plum toi and is wildly erratic carrying the role.

I like Kurashev, my kind of player unfortunately, but we're going to be laughing that he's on a banner at the UC entrance in a few years.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I want more NHL players to help develop the kids as they tank and to keep a path open to sign the good UDFAs instead of ignoring the roster and other unique franchise advantages.

But keep twisting things around.

Good picks from late firsts and 2nd rounders in the cap era that contributed significantly to the Hawks through 2017:
Cat, Saad.

Good Udfas that contributed significantly during the same period:
Panarin, Niemi

If you want to say Danault, I'll say Hagel. Maybe Vlasic (who I think will be a solid long term player) and Commesso and Kantserov and Rinzel are excellent long term options, but we were saying the same stuff about Johns and Morin types.

In the meantime the difference between that 3rd mid 2nd round pick and a bunch of later picks from dumping the UDFAs just isn't that great.

Sorry, that's not how rebuilds work. I know you wanted to trade picks for Vince Dunn and quick fix things, but that's a destination to nowhere.

You can sign the Arvid Soderblom, Reese Johnson, Mike Hardmans of the world but those rarely turn into anything. 1st and 2nd round picks account for 52.5 % of all NHL players... and do the math on that. There are about a thousand times more undrafted players in the world..

 

[Hawkaholic]

He's getting plum toi and is wildly erratic carrying the role.

I like Kurashev, my kind of player unfortunately, but we're going to be laughing that he's on a banner at the UC entrance in a few years.

Of course he is. Just like how Seth Jones is in a #1D role.

He's still a bona-fide NHLer, top 9 forward now, when he was a fringe NHLer or AHLer on any other team 2 years ago.