WarriorofTime
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Everyone overrates prospects, in ten years Phillips will be some team's nothing waiver pickup and some fanbase will be incensed that he's playing over a "clearly better" young guy.
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Everyone overrates prospects, in ten years Phillips will be some team's nothing waiver pickup and some fanbase will be incensed that he's playing over a "clearly better" young guy.
Hawkaholic
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I don't understand the question.
How are we going to build a winning culture having one of the worst teams in the league in the cap era? No one is expecting a winning culture with this roster, not the GM, not the coach, not the fans.
hockeydoug
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The Hawks have a coach with a record setting bad performance. What's the downside of replacing him? Why retain him? Wasting time is bad enough, most coaches will waste everyone's time with KD's roster, but this is worse than wasting time.
It's lowering the bar of expectations. Why keep him if you can get the same or better results from a box of cheezits?
The culture is the bar of expectations for the franchise. KD and Danny talked about expectations, so now they're telling everyone across the board in every office that it's okay to be historically bad, we'll keep paying you, but we're going to apply different standards to other personnel, and yeah, the historically bad guy can do what he wants with players.
This is across the board clown show. It's understandable to have bad results and it's understandable to have a reasonable bar of expectations like "don't be the comp for the worst modern records in the NHL".
He wasn't hired to win, but this is a bit much.
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I expect them to ride the season out with LR. Realistically, the more losses, the better for this putrid roster. I've said it once, I'll say it again. Out-lose SJ.
ChiHawks10
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This is a rebuild. What do you expect? That they draft one good player and all the sudden they're a contender again? You sound delusional. The players on the Hawks 2010-2016 Cup teams literally took YEARS to draft and develop. Guys like Keith and Seabs were drafted in 2002 and 2003. They weren't even remotely competitive until 5 years after those guys were drafted, after they picked up two HoF caliber players in the 2006 and 2007 drafts. Then they needed to make savvy trades and free agent signings to complete the rosters for those runs. I'm not sure what you're expecting, but this is literally the 1st season of the true rebuild process for this team. Expect them to have losing records for at least another 2-3 seasons, unless they absolutely knock it out of the park with their draft picks, and they get some surprise development from guys a la Patrick Sharp.
A lot went right for those teams to end up being as good as they were. To think that it's all going to go right again... just one year into the rebuild... is well, delusional.
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TLEH
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I mean I don't even really view Phillips as a prospect. I think he is what he is. What he is? Is better than Tinordi.
Hawkaholic
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lol, imagine looking at what this team puts on the ice every night, and thinking they should be better than what they are. Frankly, I'm surprised they have won more than 10 games this year. There is no downside to replacing him, but I still don't get what you expect from a mostly AHL roster playing against NHL rosters 98% of the nights. Either you want a complete tear down rebuild or you dont, clearly, you don't.
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TLEH
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Sort of the point of the discussion being in this thread other than the roster thread. Right?
DisgruntledHawkFan
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I don't think LuRich is even mildly uncomfortable with his position until the end of next season.
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DisgruntledHawkFan
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There's always a path but unless he has a substance issue or does something completely and totally out of left field for such a vanilla personality I just don't see it.
WarriorofTime
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I mean Phillips, Crevier and Tinordi are all kinda three stooges just getting wrecked night in and out on the bottom pair. I don't see how any of them have separated from each other. Wasting mental energy that Phillips sometimes gets scratched will look as silly a decade from now as those Hab fans getting worked up about their young stud in Tinordi getting scratched a decade ago.
TLEH
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They all three aren't any good. Tinordi is the clear worst of the three. He also doesn't drop them enough to justify playing him. He can barely skate. Atleast Phillips can skate.
WarriorofTime
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I think they 'like' (to the extent he can be 'liked') that Tinordi is basically the only physical defenseman they have.
Since Tinordi came back from injury, Tinordi has played in 27 games, Phillips has played in 18 games, Crevier has played in 16 games with 5 AHL games thrown in there as well. It's fine, this is marginal stuff. Less than marginal even. In a perfect world, Tinordi would have played his way into being worth a conditional 7th round pick to someone, but alas. People are bemoaning about how Phillips is gonna be all sad if he's in a press box and Tinordi is playing.. come on now. Phillips wants to be an NHL player he's gonna need a bit more than "about as good as Jarred Tinordi" to get it done. I'd rather reward/punish him to see if there's any marginal value there than do the same for Tinordi as there's nothing there and we know that.
We don't need a world where young guys come up and think being as good as the Jarred Tinordi and Reese Johnsons of the world is good enough and their spot is secure as long as they're at that level. That's the worst kind of environment for young players to grow into. The no-name vets get their evaluation come contract negotiation, or in those cases, no contract negotiation time. A coach shouldn't waste his mental energy chewing out no names, the young players are far more important to develop properly.
The Hawks are expected to lose, I fully understand that. The losing doesn't bother me, it's HOW they lose that is just wrong.
They come out flat waaaay to frequently.
Special teams have no structure for success.
The first 2 weeks they were taking the body, no fly bys, tough basic hockey. Where did that go?
Bedard? He's on his own.
Kurashev? No development there.
Kaiser, Phillips? Nope
Vlasic and KK? Maybe
Reichel? Nope
They come out flat waaaay to frequently.
Special teams have no structure for success.
The first 2 weeks they were taking the body, no fly bys, tough basic hockey. Where did that go?
What young players is LR developing?
Bedard? He's on his own.
Kurashev? No development there.
Kaiser, Phillips? Nope
Vlasic and KK? Maybe
Reichel? Nope
WarriorofTime
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Bedard, Vlasic, Korchinski. Kurashev if he counts as a "young player".
If the position of some people is that those players develop "on their own" such that he gets zero credit for any young player achieving any modicum of success but all the blame for any young player that sucks (I personally don't think it's realistic to expect him to sprinkle Luke Richardson dust and make 21 year old AHL players high performing NHLers and that many young players turn to nothing in the ordinary course), then ok, that's a tank coach having to absorb what comes with being the coach during a tank job and is what it is.
Hawkaholic
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Kurashev is twice the player he was 2 years ago.
Vlasic has come a long way as well.
Kaiser and Phillips were long shots to begin with and wouldn't be on any NHL roster.
ClydeLee
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Then they wouldn't be a last place team. The team you wish they were, is not, and would not be in last place.
It boggles how some view this as some horrific historically bad team when San Jose has the same pts.
ChiHawks10
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Bedard is just Bedard. We knew he wasn't going to need much of any direction from any coaching at the NHL level, and he is seemingly being "coached" by Foligno, anyways.
There's clear and obvious development from all three bolded. Now is that just a matter of natural progression and building confidence at the NHL level? Or coaching? That's the question you should ask. I lean towards the former, not the latter.
Hawkaholic
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Young players struggle = coaches fault
Young players succeed = bound to happen anyway.
Young players succeed = bound to happen anyway.
ChiHawks10
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I've never really made the claim in either direction. Still not claiming to know one way or the other. Seeing the boneheaded shit that Richardson does, I will tend to lean towards the rookies that are expected to be good just gaining confidence and getting up to speed in the NHL. Like... I'm not sure how you can say Richardson is actually "developing" any young guys when you see him sit Bedard for all but 30 seconds in the last 4 mins of a one goal game, or in pretty much every single empty net scenario.
The evidence seems to point to Richardson not knowing wtf to do with the young guys, and they're just hitting their stride at the NHL level on their own. Can you point to anything that says he's actually developing these guys? Vlasic came out right off the bat and looked great. KK showed flashes of what he's been doing the last month all throughout the season, he's just being more consistent with it now, and showing obvious improvement in his own confidence. Reichel was trash pretty much all season, and I will say we have no idea if that's on coaching or just him. Bedard is just Bedard, and to me, Richardson IS actively hurting him at times with the late game lack of ice time, the not taking draws in critical situations ever, etc.
Hawkaholic
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I wasn't directing it at you. That's just how it always goes with peoples opinions on coaches it seems.
ChiHawks10
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BobbyJet
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Yep. Frankly, I'm surprised that folks have jumped on the fire Luke bandwagon.
No matter what has gone down and will go down in his first 3 years as HC in Chicago, he ain't going nowhere. I reckon his first serious performance review will come in the summer of 2025.
