M88K
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Gags has lied several times. Shouldn't put any stock in anything he or Nill says at this point. They seem to say 1 thing and do the opposite
Proposal: Fire DeBoer - *UPDATE* He's been fired
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serp
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Seems pretty clear Gaglardi is not all that involved in the day to day hockey operations ( and he shouldn't be ) or he lies allot in interviews i guess . Remember when a couple of days before the Rantanen trade he gave an interview that he expected the team wasn't going to do much ? Yep . He pays the checks but is not directly involved. Last time he did was Hitch and that didn't work out .
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Ultimately, I'm glad the Stars did this because the final year of DeBoer anywhere is always a disaster. When his expiration date arrives, it gets ugly. His petty press conference showed he had already turned.
My the list of gripes includes....
- the shit starts to every playoff game (and the month leading up to the playoffs)
- too many road games where it looked like the team got down early and threw in the towel
- keeping Ceci and Lindell together despite the Oilers eating them alive
- watching the same two guys take stupid penalties over and over with zero consequence
- the inability to get any offense out of these guys
- the lifeless response from the team seeing Hintz get injured and then seeing Hintz get slashed again
- pulling Oettinger with three minutes left before the team had even won the faceoff in game four
- wasting both his timeout and pulling Oettinger at the same time in game five when he could have only done one of those two
My the list of gripes includes....
- the shit starts to every playoff game (and the month leading up to the playoffs)
- too many road games where it looked like the team got down early and threw in the towel
- keeping Ceci and Lindell together despite the Oilers eating them alive
- watching the same two guys take stupid penalties over and over with zero consequence
- the inability to get any offense out of these guys
- the lifeless response from the team seeing Hintz get injured and then seeing Hintz get slashed again
- pulling Oettinger with three minutes left before the team had even won the faceoff in game four
- wasting both his timeout and pulling Oettinger at the same time in game five when he could have only done one of those two
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If Dallas loses to Avs in Game 7.. does Pete still get fired? Crazy how we could have lost round 1 and Pete would still have his job.
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My two cents on PDB's firing begins with, first, a slight nod to and, second, a variation of a quote from a Maya Angelou biography:
. . . with the slight variation being: "when they show you who they are."
PDB has routinely come across in public as a polite, well-mannered, and friendly person and coach. At the same time, the truth is that very few (if any) of us know who he has been behind closed doors.
His actions and words after the WFC were IMHO a revelation about PDB not just as a coach, but also as a person. He did not at all handle himself well in several regards, including in his treatment of the people around him and also in his failure to take ownership and responsibility. And while we all fail—many of us (myself included) in serious ways—the difference-maker is whether we own those failures, acknowledge how they may have affected those around us, and then make a commitment to learn and grow from it.
PDB had plenty of time to make things right. But instead, he doubled-down on several occasions. And in doing so, again IMHO, he even used some concerning rhetorical tactics.
In perhaps a twist of irony, Jake Oettinger, the primary target, appeared the only one willing to engage in healthy self-reflection and willingness to change and grow from the experience. And he did so without blaming anyone else. That's incredibly difficult to do when you yourself can still feel the tires from having been thrown under the bus. Although he's still quite young, he proved himself the bigger person.
We may never know for sure, but actions do speak louder than words.
After the WCF and PDB's final interviews, I was expecting GMJN2.0 to fire him with a year still remaining on his contract. And as a Stars fan, I think the team will be better for it in both the short- and long-term.
. . . with the slight variation being: "when they show you who they are."
PDB has routinely come across in public as a polite, well-mannered, and friendly person and coach. At the same time, the truth is that very few (if any) of us know who he has been behind closed doors.
His actions and words after the WFC were IMHO a revelation about PDB not just as a coach, but also as a person. He did not at all handle himself well in several regards, including in his treatment of the people around him and also in his failure to take ownership and responsibility. And while we all fail—many of us (myself included) in serious ways—the difference-maker is whether we own those failures, acknowledge how they may have affected those around us, and then make a commitment to learn and grow from it.
PDB had plenty of time to make things right. But instead, he doubled-down on several occasions. And in doing so, again IMHO, he even used some concerning rhetorical tactics.
In perhaps a twist of irony, Jake Oettinger, the primary target, appeared the only one willing to engage in healthy self-reflection and willingness to change and grow from the experience. And he did so without blaming anyone else. That's incredibly difficult to do when you yourself can still feel the tires from having been thrown under the bus. Although he's still quite young, he proved himself the bigger person.
We may never know for sure, but actions do speak louder than words.
After the WCF and PDB's final interviews, I was expecting GMJN2.0 to fire him with a year still remaining on his contract. And as a Stars fan, I think the team will be better for it in both the short- and long-term.
Nill said the assistants will still be a part of things. Spott goes with Pete but I see that as Alaine and Misha staying and them leaning e towards a AHL coach.
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He'd obviously lost the room, so I'm glad they didn't wait until the team hit a stretch of adversity next season and completely bottomed out. I never wanted DeBoer hired after he showed his true colors in Vegas, calling out his goaltender while Lehner was clearly injured and doing the best he could.
When things get bad, he blames his players rather than himself - whether or not it's true is irrelevant, that's not what a good leader does.
One thing he never did that also bugged me and showed he's not as smart a coach as he could be - he would never pull the goaltender at the end of a period with less than 3 seconds left for an offensive zone draw. Bowness always did this because it's impossible to get scored on in such little time (Razor frequently mentioned that they tested it), so why not do it? There was even an opportunity during the playoffs that came up in which the team got a shot away, but because the shooter had to move to collect the puck, it wasn't a very good shot. If there had been a sixth skater out there, it may have gone right to him for a one-timer.
Yeah the odds may be super low of getting a goal, but since absolutely nothing bad can happen, why not do it? It's just lazy and/or dumb not to take advantage of it when you can, especially in the playoffs.
When things get bad, he blames his players rather than himself - whether or not it's true is irrelevant, that's not what a good leader does.
One thing he never did that also bugged me and showed he's not as smart a coach as he could be - he would never pull the goaltender at the end of a period with less than 3 seconds left for an offensive zone draw. Bowness always did this because it's impossible to get scored on in such little time (Razor frequently mentioned that they tested it), so why not do it? There was even an opportunity during the playoffs that came up in which the team got a shot away, but because the shooter had to move to collect the puck, it wasn't a very good shot. If there had been a sixth skater out there, it may have gone right to him for a one-timer.
Yeah the odds may be super low of getting a goal, but since absolutely nothing bad can happen, why not do it? It's just lazy and/or dumb not to take advantage of it when you can, especially in the playoffs.
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Ghost of Kyiv
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I think Deboer is a great coach, but he has an expiry date. Unfortunate, but if he lost the room then moving on is best for all parties.
Best of luck Pete, you did great here work up until the last 2 weeks of your tenure.
Best of luck Pete, you did great here work up until the last 2 weeks of your tenure.
Elysian
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I forgot all about the illegal practice in December, yeah that was a bad look.
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Pulling the goalie with just under 3 mins left while only down by one is another move I wasn’t a fan of .
Probably, that would've been a 7 game skid rolling into a first round exit. All of us would've had pitchforks out
