Prospect Info: Final SJ HFBoards Prospect Rankings

[Lebanezer]

1. Macklin Celebrini ~95% (NR)
2. Will Smith ~90% (#1)
3. Yaroslav Askarov ~52% (NR)
4. Sam Dickinson ~95% (NR)
5. Quentin Musty ~49% (#3)
6. Shakir Mukhamadullin ~77% (#4)
7. Igor Chernyshov ~39% (NR)
8. Filip Bystedt ~34% (#5)
9. Kasper Halttunen ~69% (#11)
10. Daniil Gushchin ~23% (#8)
11. Collin Graf ~37% (NR)
12. Luca Cagnoni ~38% (#12)
13. Eric Pohlkamp ~45% (NR)
14. Leo Sahlin Wallenius ~52% (NR)
15. Ethan Cardwell ~52% (NR)
16. Jack Thompson (RO) ~60% (NR)
17. Jake Furlong ~25% (NR)
18. Cam Lund ~27% (#9)
19. Mattias Havelid ~33% (#10)
20. Yegor Rimashevsky ~31% (NR)

@The Nemesis and I will post the next step in the fun world of prospect stuff sometime in the coming days. Everyone take one last moment to say their farewells to the 2 Es, Edstrom and Emberson, we hardly knew ye.

In all seriousness, what a difference a year makes.

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[OrrNumber4]

Thanks for bird-dogging this.

Seeing the list laid out, it feels like after #8 a solid case can be made for putting it in any order.

Daniil Gushchin really sticks out on this list, because it's going to be a make-or-break training camp for him. If he has a bad camp I'd write him off entirely.

 

[The Nemesis]

12/20 are new placements since last year. That's crazy.

I could only find as low as the #13 poll from last year but from that set only 3 guys that placed have graduated in the last year (Eklund, Thrun, Bordeleau). The other 10 are all still in the system with 9 placing somewhere on this list. The only guy that fell off was Robins and I'm not even sure that's his fault. He's still fine, he just has a low ceiling and has been passed up by newer prospects with more potential or guys who have developed into more interesting upsides.

Also I just noticed now that there's one error in the previous rank listing. Havelid wasn't unranked last year. He was 10th.

The top 13 from 2023 were, as I can find it from the 13th poll here:

01) Smith (down to #2)
02) Eklund (graduated)
03) Musty (down to #5)
04) Mukhamadullin (down to #6)
05) Bystedt (down to #8)
06) Thrun (graduated)
07) Bordeleau (graduated)
08) Gushchin (down to #10)
09) Lund (down to #18)
10) Havelid (down to #19)
11) Halttunen (up to #9)
12) Cagnoni (holds at #12)
13) Robins (not ranked this year)

 

[OrrNumber4]

12/20 are new placements since last year. That's crazy.

I could only find as low as the #13 poll from last year but from that set only 3 guys that placed have graduated in the last year (Eklund, Thrun, Bordeleau). The other 10 are all still in the system with 9 placing somewhere on this list. The only guy that fell off was Robins and I'm not even sure that's his fault. He's still fine, he just has a low ceiling and has been passed up by newer prospects with more potential or guys who have developed into more interesting upsides.

Look at Cam Lund. Had a solid season, hitting the notes he's supposed to, yet he drops. Or Halttunen; he has a monster season yet barely rises.

 

[timorous me]

Seeing the list laid out, it feels like after #8 a solid case can be made for putting it in any order.

I still feel like Halttunen is too low at #9, so don't encourage anyone thinking even less of him than that!

 

[Barrie22]

12/20 are new placements since last year. That's crazy.

I could only find as low as the #13 poll from last year but from that set only 3 guys that placed have graduated in the last year (Eklund, Thrun, Bordeleau). The other 10 are all still in the system with 9 placing somewhere on this list. The only guy that fell off was Robins and I'm not even sure that's his fault. He's still fine, he just has a low ceiling and has been passed up by newer prospects with more potential or guys who have developed into more interesting upsides.

Also I just noticed now that there's one error in the previous rank listing. Havelid wasn't unranked last year. He was 10th.

The top 13 from 2023 were, as I can find it from the 13th poll here:

01) Smith (down to #2)
02) Eklund (graduated)
03) Musty (down to #5)
04) Mukhamadullin (down to #6)
05) Bystedt (down to #8)
06) Thrun (graduated)
07) Bordeleau (graduated)
08) Gushchin (down to #10)
09) Lund (down to #18)
10) Havelid (down to #19)
11) Halttunen (up to #9)
12) Cagnoni (holds at #12)
13) Robins (not ranked this year)

There being only 13 makes sense, i believe it was getting into the range of like 10 votes for the winner.

 

[Gecklund]

Love it! Thanks for doing this! I know it’s a bit of a slog (especially after you get past 8-10).

Our pool is finally fun again. I think I’d change the rankings slightly (mostly with LSW I think I’m much higher on him than most, I have him at 8/9).

 

[Lebanezer]

12/20 are new placements since last year. That's crazy.

I could only find as low as the #13 poll from last year but from that set only 3 guys that placed have graduated in the last year (Eklund, Thrun, Bordeleau). The other 10 are all still in the system with 9 placing somewhere on this list. The only guy that fell off was Robins and I'm not even sure that's his fault. He's still fine, he just has a low ceiling and has been passed up by newer prospects with more potential or guys who have developed into more interesting upsides.

Also I just noticed now that there's one error in the previous rank listing. Havelid wasn't unranked last year. He was 10th.

The top 13 from 2023 were, as I can find it from the 13th poll here:

01) Smith (down to #2)
02) Eklund (graduated)
03) Musty (down to #5)
04) Mukhamadullin (down to #6)
05) Bystedt (down to #8)
06) Thrun (graduated)
07) Bordeleau (graduated)
08) Gushchin (down to #10)
09) Lund (down to #18)
10) Havelid (down to #19)
11) Halttunen (up to #9)
12) Cagnoni (holds at #12)
13) Robins (not ranked this year)

I think the craziest part of all this is that only one person went up from last year. It’s not like Musty and Mukhamadullin didn’t have good years, just that the guys added in the last 12 months are that good.

 

[Boy Hedican]

I still feel like Halttunen is too low at #9, so don't encourage anyone thinking even less of him than that!

Ya I can see him surprising a lot of people. He’s adapting so well to the NA game

 

[TheBigDrunkPanda]

1. Macklin Celebrini ~95% (NR)
2. Will Smith ~90% (#1)
3. Yaroslav Askarov ~52% (NR)
4. Sam Dickinson ~95% (NR)
5. Quentin Musty ~49% (#3)
6. Shakir Mukhamadullin ~77% (#4)
7. Igor Chernyshov ~39% (NR)
8. Filip Bystedt ~34% (#5)
9. Kasper Halttunen ~69% (#11)
10. Daniil Gushchin ~23% (#8)
11. Collin Graf ~37% (NR)
12. Luca Cagnoni ~38% (#12)
13. Eric Pohlkamp ~45% (NR)
14. Leo Sahlin Wallenius ~52% (NR)
15. Ethan Cardwell ~52% (NR)
16. Jack Thompson (RO) ~60% (NR)
17. Jake Furlong ~25% (NR)
18. Cam Lund ~27% (#9)
19. Mattias Havelid ~33% (#10)
20. Yegor Rimashevsky ~31% (NR)

@The Nemesis and I will post the next step in the fun world of prospect stuff sometime in the coming days. Everyone take one last moment to say their farewells to the 2 Es, Edstrom and Emberson, we hardly knew ye.

In all seriousness, what a difference a year makes.

I’d put Dickinson and Musty ahead of Askarov

 

[dmcccdmn]

Very interesting that the majority agreed that Askarov is ranked ahead of Dickinson. That's like saying they would be willing to trade Dickinson for Askarov straight up. That's pretty wild. I can see Musty can be traded straight up for Askarov. Didn't think people would be willing to give up Dickinson for Askarov if that was the asking price.

 

[Munnyro]

Very interesting that the majority agreed that Askarov is ranked ahead of Dickinson. That's like saying they would be willing to trade Dickinson for Askarov straight up. That's pretty wild. I can see Musty can be traded straight up for Askarov. Didn't think people would be willing to give up Dickinson for Askarov if that was the asking price.

I don't think anyone would trade BDE for Asky. It is a mix of potential and actuality. I understand the parallel but that's also why most folks are happy the price for Yarsy was so minimal (I don't know what his nickname is).

Seriously, most folks thought it would be a blue chip prospect when it was spare parts (in theory).

 

[Star Platinum]

Very interesting that the majority agreed that Askarov is ranked ahead of Dickinson. That's like saying they would be willing to trade Dickinson for Askarov straight up. That's pretty wild. I can see Musty can be traded straight up for Askarov. Didn't think people would be willing to give up Dickinson for Askarov if that was the asking price.

I view it simply as a statement of probability. Askarov has two years of AHL experience where he has performed well. Dickinson has two years of junior experience. Maybe he will be a Norris Trophy winning defenseman, maybe he will be a Top 4 defenseman, maybe he might even bust. I don't really know how likely each outcome is, but he has some holes in his game to shore up before I would move him ahead of Askarov. Others may have differing opinions.

 

[gaucholoco3]

Very interesting that the majority agreed that Askarov is ranked ahead of Dickinson. That's like saying they would be willing to trade Dickinson for Askarov straight up. That's pretty wild. I can see Musty can be traded straight up for Askarov. Didn't think people would be willing to give up Dickinson for Askarov if that was the asking price.

Based on the voting it is really close between those two. I voted for Askarov over Dickinson. In a vacuum I would take that trade straight up but given the Sharks lack of D prospects I wouldn’t have said yes to that trade and would have countered with a forward and a pick to compensate which is ultimately what the return was.

 

[Shark Finn]

Based on team need and potential I ranked Askarov at 4. Dickinson just fits our needs a tad better. Happy to have both. Or all of the prospects, honestly.

 

[CanadienShark]

Very interesting that the majority agreed that Askarov is ranked ahead of Dickinson. That's like saying they would be willing to trade Dickinson for Askarov straight up. That's pretty wild. I can see Musty can be traded straight up for Askarov. Didn't think people would be willing to give up Dickinson for Askarov if that was the asking price.

I disagree. Goalies no matter their calibre don't hold that kind of trade value. I think he's arguably the better prospect than Dickinson, but in a trade, Dickinson fetches the better return. FWIW, I have Askarov #4, but I can totally accept an argument to the contrary.

 

[TheBigDrunkPanda]

Very interesting that the majority agreed that Askarov is ranked ahead of Dickinson. That's like saying they would be willing to trade Dickinson for Askarov straight up. That's pretty wild. I can see Musty can be traded straight up for Askarov. Didn't think people would be willing to give up Dickinson for Askarov if that was the asking price.

I think i would’ve preferred Muk for Askarov straight up maybe Bysted the sharks have a glut of prospects at forward. That being said 1 goalie had to go so it was never going to be a straight up trade 1 for 1

 

[OrrNumber4]

Very interesting that the majority agreed that Askarov is ranked ahead of Dickinson. That's like saying they would be willing to trade Dickinson for Askarov straight up. That's pretty wild. I can see Musty can be traded straight up for Askarov. Didn't think people would be willing to give up Dickinson for Askarov if that was the asking price.

Considering that Askarov was made available, the expectation is that the team acquiring him should have been able to get a dollar for eighty cents....which is close to what happened.