Player Discussion Filip Chytil: Part III

[bhamill]

Well considering in other sports we learn this info then it's probably not protected by law.

Or the players in other leagues sign away that protection.
What do you think about publicizing where players live? Certainly not protected by law. But not done. The only way it is less relevant is to gamblers. Gambling is the main reason people are so hungry for medical info. Been a HUGE thing in football since I was a kid (and I'm in my 60's). I personally like that opposing teams don't get the info on what to target on a player returning from injury, which they would have if WE had it. Again though, this is just my preference.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Or the players in other leagues sign away that protection.
What do you think about publicizing where players live? Certainly not protected by law. But not done. The only way it is less relevant is to gamblers. Gambling is the main reason people are so hungry for medical info. Been a HUGE thing in football since I was a kid (and I'm in my 60's). I personally like that opposing teams don't get the info on what to target on a player returning from injury, which they would have if WE had it. Again though, this is just my preference.

I mean you can't really compare it to publicizing where players live, lol. But they're public figures. I don't see the big deal about certain things being public. As I said they should have become accountants if they wanted anonymity.

 

[NYRFAN218]

I think the way the organization just completely shields any information in general is annoying and a turn off as a fan. Whether it's injuries, the GM speaking to the media, etc. It's all an MSG directive. David Stearns talks to the media every homestand, Aaron Boone has a weekly spot with Jomboy, Robert Saleh would call into the Michael Kay show every week. Drury speaks to the media maybe 2 times a year and Leon Rose hasn't spoken to the media in years. The only information that comes out from the Rangers are clear texts from the PR department that tell the beat writers what to say (as evidenced by the wording of their tweets which are nearly identical.) I think the more access a fan has to the team and information is beneficial and only drives fan engagement whether it's small or not.

There's also the issue of the league, teams, and networks promoting gambling while refusing to disclose injuries which I've brought up before. That to me is complete horseshit.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I think the way the organization just completely shields any information in general is annoying and a turn off as a fan. Whether it's injuries, the GM speaking to the media, etc. It's all an MSG directive. David Stearns talks to the media every homestand, Aaron Boone has a weekly spot with Jomboy, Robert Saleh would call into the Michael Kay show every week. Drury speaks to the media maybe 2 times a year and Leon Rose hasn't spoken to the media in years. The only information that comes out from the Rangers are clear texts from the PR department that tell the beat writers what to say (as evidenced by the wording of their tweets which are nearly identical.) I think the more access a fan has to the team and information is beneficial and only drives fan engagement whether it's small or not.

There's also the issue of the league, teams, and networks promoting gambling while refusing to disclose injuries which I've brought up before. That to me is complete horseshit.

Fans should get nothing, they're nobodies.

-HFBoards

 

[bhamill]

I mean you can't really compare it to publicizing where players live, lol. But they're public figures. I don't see the big deal about certain things being public. As I said they should have become accountants if they wanted anonimity.

Fair to say its not exactly the same, but it's info that's less protected than medical records. There's a whole lot of land between wanting anonymity and not wanting the world to have access to your health details.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Fair to say its not exactly the same, but it's info that's less protected than medical records. There's a whole lot of land between wanting anonymity and not wanting the world to have access to your health details.

If the NFL can do it so can other leagues. Hockey players have way more privacy than any other sport. The vast majority of them in the US at least can walk down the street and never have someone recognize them. If they have to share a little more with the world than an accountant so be it.

 

[LOFIN]

I have little doubt this will be one of the points of discussion with the next CBA. I bet the gambling companies want more transparency. Players are not deadset against it, it was like a 67/33 in a recent Athletic players poll for less transparency. If the owners are going to say "we're making the split 53/47, but if you agree to have more injury transparency it will be 52/48" the players will immediatly agree.

 

[TominNC]

I think the way the organization just completely shields any information in general is annoying and a turn off as a fan. Whether it's injuries, the GM speaking to the media, etc. It's all an MSG directive. David Stearns talks to the media every homestand, Aaron Boone has a weekly spot with Jomboy, Robert Saleh would call into the Michael Kay show every week. Drury speaks to the media maybe 2 times a year and Leon Rose hasn't spoken to the media in years. The only information that comes out from the Rangers are clear texts from the PR department that tell the beat writers what to say (as evidenced by the wording of their tweets which are nearly identical.) I think the more access a fan has to the team and information is beneficial and only drives fan engagement whether it's small or not.

There's also the issue of the league, teams, and networks promoting gambling while refusing to disclose injuries which I've brought up before. That to me is complete horseshit.

I have zero interest in gamblers concerns. I'd rather the team respect the players privacy and safety with injury reports. Most coach talk is bland bullshit anyway. I don't listen to coach/GM talks anyway. I'm fully engaged watching all the teams games.

 

[SA16]

Or the players in other leagues sign away that protection.
What do you think about publicizing where players live? Certainly not protected by law. But not done. The only way it is less relevant is to gamblers. Gambling is the main reason people are so hungry for medical info. Been a HUGE thing in football since I was a kid (and I'm in my 60's). I personally like that opposing teams don't get the info on what to target on a player returning from injury, which they would have if WE had it. Again though, this is just my preference.

It has nothing to do with gambling but it has a lot to do with people who think they know things about gambling but don't. All you need to know from a gambling perspective is if a player is playing, or not playing. You don't need to know why. That information comes out before the game starts.

It has a lot more to do with the fans because, as SnowBlind said, it is very poor customer service and a bad fan experience. I don't think the policy will change because I don't think either the players or league have an issue with it or care to change it. And while it is a poor fan experience, it is not such a big deal that it is going to cost the league money or viewers by not being more forthcoming.

 

[bhamill]

If the NFL can do it so can other leagues. Hockey players have way more privacy than any other sport. The vast majority of them in the US at least can walk down the street and never have someone recognize them. If they have to share a little more with the world than an accountant so be it.

That's fine, but I never said other leagues can't. I said I PERSONALLY am fine with NYR not sharing medical info, and that we as fans were not ENTITLED to their medical info...

 

[jerseyjinx94]

It has nothing to do with gambling but it has a lot to do with people who think they know things about gambling but don't. All you need to know from a gambling perspective is if a player is playing, or not playing. You don't need to know why. That information comes out before the game starts.

It has a lot more to do with the fans because, as SnowBlind said, it is very poor customer service and a bad fan experience. I don't think the policy will change because I don't think either the players or league have an issue with it or care to change it. And while it is a poor fan experience, it is not such a big deal that it is going to cost the league money or viewers by not being more forthcoming.

That's not true. There are plenty of future bets as well.

A lot of people took Christian McAffrey 1st overall in fantasy because he was expected to play Week 1. He ended up missing 9 weeks or whatever. People who bet SF to win the NFC for example made that bet presuming McAffrey was healthy at the time because the team hid his injury.

 

[bhamill]

It has nothing to do with gambling but it has a lot to do with people who think they know things about gambling but don't. All you need to know from a gambling perspective is if a player is playing, or not playing. You don't need to know why. That information comes out before the game starts.

It has a lot more to do with the fans because, as SnowBlind said, it is very poor customer service and a bad fan experience. I don't think the policy will change because I don't think either the players or league have an issue with it or care to change it. And while it is a poor fan experience, it is not such a big deal that it is going to cost the league money or viewers by not being more forthcoming.

Really? Because actually knowing whether a player is playing hurt, or not at the top of their game, and what specifically it is and how it could affect their performance, is something that "professional" gambler friends of mine seem to find pretty useful...
You're allowed to think its bad "customer service," I'm allowed to think that fans getting bent out of shape over it is just "entitlement."

 

[SA16]

That's not true. There are plenty of future bets as well.

A lot of people took Christian McAffrey 1st overall in fantasy because he was expected to play Week 1. He ended up missing 9 weeks or whatever. People who bet SF to win the NFC for example made that bet presuming McAffrey was healthy at the time because the team hid his injury.

That is true but there is very minimal action placed on those compared to daily bets during the season so it is pretty negligible. Plus, even with those, teams do generally give a timeline of an injury even if they don't give specifics.

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

I have zero interest in gamblers concerns. I'd rather the team respect the players privacy and safety with injury reports. Most coach talk is bland bullshit anyway. I don't listen to coach/GM talks anyway. I'm fully engaged watching all the teams games.

Same. I don't give a f*** about gamblers and gambling since the constant betting shit has - I don't want to say ruined - but dampened a lot of the experience of watching games on TV. And don't get me started on the difference in discussing sports with "casual" sports fans whose knowledge is consisted mostly of shitty betting lines and individual player hype rather than substanive knowledge of the sport.

 

[Chytilmania]

Really? Because actually knowing whether a player is playing hurt, or not at the top of their game, and what specifically it is and how it could affect their performance, is something that "professional" gambler friends of mine seem to find pretty useful...
You're allowed to think its bad "customer service," I'm allowed to think that fans getting bent out of shape over it is just "entitlement."

My entire fantasy strategy hinged on McCaffery #1 overall. If they hinted he would miss a few games I would have done something different. Instead they made it seem like he was playing Week 1 or 2. I went from defending champ to laughing stock of the league lol.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Really? Because actually knowing whether a player is playing hurt, or not at the top of their game, and what specifically it is and how it could affect their performance, is something that "professional" gambler friends of mine seem to find pretty useful...
You're allowed to think its bad "customer service," I'm allowed to think that fans getting bent out of shape over it is just "entitlement."

What exactly do paying fans get that's so amazing that asking for something other leagues do is entitlement?

 

[TominNC]

Same. I don't give a f*** about gamblers and gambling since the constant betting shit has - I don't want to say ruined - but dampened a lot of the experience of watching games on TV. And don't get me started on the difference in discussing sports with "casual" sports fans whose knowledge is consisted mostly of shitty betting lines and individual player hype rather than substanive knowledge of the sport.

At least I'm not the only old fashioned guy here. Nothing makes me go deaf faster than talking sports with someone and they bring up spreads, fantasy teams or "needing so and so to have X shots because of some parlay."

 

[NYRFAN218]

I have zero interest in gamblers concerns. I'd rather the team respect the players privacy and safety with injury reports. Most coach talk is bland bullshit anyway. I don't listen to coach/GM talks anyway. I'm fully engaged watching all the teams games.

I don’t give a shit about gambling either and find the constant promotion of it during games and shows abhorrent but you simply can’t refuse to disclose information like injuries while in the next segment of a broadcast promoting the Rangers to win the Eastern Conference at +500. Why do you think the NFL has such strict injury report rules? It isn’t to keep all of its fans informed and up to date out of curiosity. The league and its teams can’t have their cake and eat it too as it relates to sports betting. If you’re going to take the money associated with that and promote it through every league avenue then you need to be up front and disclose things pertinent to what you’re promoting. If they weren’t doing that then you’re right, as much as I don’t like it as a fan they don’t have to disclose anything.

 

[TominNC]

I don’t give a shit about gambling either and find the constant promotion of it during games and shows abhorrent but you simply can’t refuse to disclose information like injuries while in the next segment of a broadcast promoting the Rangers to win the Eastern Conference at +500. Why do you think the NFL has such strict injury report rules? It isn’t to keep all of its fans informed and up to date out of curiosity. The league and its teams can’t have their cake and eat it too as it relates to sports betting. If you’re going to take the money associated with that and promote it through every league avenue then you need to be up front and disclose things pertinent to what you’re promoting. If they weren’t doing that then you’re right, as much as I don’t like it as a fan they don’t have to disclose anything.

I disagree. Player safety and privacy comes first. Gamble at your own risk. Or don’t. Gambling ads don’t bother me. They’re no more annoying than the other crap thrown on my screen between play. When you start changing how things are done to accommodate gamblers. Then I have a problem.

 

[bhamill]

What exactly do paying fans get that's so amazing that asking for something other leagues do is entitlement?

What you actually pay for: hockey games.