Maybe he demands a trade to the Leafs this off season, hahaha
Post-Game Talk: Father defeats son
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Keefe all but confirmed the Leafs view point % ahead of points.
In his interview Tue night when asked how it felt to be first overall he replied and I paraphrase "We are not first, we have played a lot more games than everyone".
For whatever that is worth.
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They didnt play ...
McZero and Driasapointing couldn't get their pack dogs to pull their sled to the Edmonton Igloo...
If you look up the word "Yip's" in the sports dictionary.. there would be a picture of Conner McZero and Leon Dirasapointing playing vs the Leafs...
It's a warm fuzzy feeling to know when we play in Edmonton
1) It's "Guaranteed win night" for the Leafs
2) It's a home game for the Leafs. The Leaf crowd in Edmonton is louder than the Leaf crowd in Toronto
3) McJesus and Leon will be no shows.
Edmonton ..... Who's your daddy?
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I find it pretty funny that I posted this in the pre game
Pre-Game Talk: - Leafs vs Oilers
and their post game thread was titled *even longer fart noise*
Pre-Game Talk: - Leafs vs Oilers
and their post game thread was titled *even longer fart noise*
zeke
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It's not even a view, it just is what it is.
Leafs do not have the best record in hockey. They have the 6th best record in hockey.
Hey all.
Career lurker here.
But can’t help myself this time.
I prefer the baseball standings.
If you do it that way there is a 7 way tie for 1st overall!!!
edit: 6 way tie I mean. Fat fingers
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Just shows how flawed the NHL point system is when the team with the 3rd best winning % has the 6th best “record” in hockey.
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For the record, MLB actually just uses winning percentage too. The "Games Back" column is interesting but ultimately not real either.
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Yup - but how could it not be when it literally just ignores regulation losses altogether?
Thanks Zeke.
But question, aren’t standings only official at the end of the season?
Until then there are only official results.
Since there are games tonight, all those standings and tie breaker rules do not apply.
thus, mid season we are simply left with sorting the official results in the order that makes sense. To me, not much separating the top handful of teams right now, so saying 6 tied for first is actually a pretty good picture to me.
but most important. Nice to be debating where the leafs are between 1-6 in the standings as opposed to 27-32.
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Thanks Zeke.
But question, aren’t standings only official at the end of the season?
Until then there are only official results.
Since there are games tonight, all those standings and tie breaker rules do not apply.
thus, mid season we are simply left with sorting the official results in the order that makes sense. To me, not much separating the top handful of teams right now, so saying 6 tied for first is actually a pretty good picture to me.
but most important. Nice to be debating where the leafs are between 1-6 in the standings as opposed to 27-32.
I'm not sure how you get 6 teams tied for first but I completely agree with the general idea. A week ago or so I said that the way I look at it, the top 9 are closely grouped together and the exact order of those teams could be completely reversed within a week or so. Today I'd say that CAL has dropped back a bit so now we have a pack of 8 teams that are pretty close together battling for 1st overall and yes whether we are 2nd or 6th or whatever as of today doesn't matter at all (for the record, we're 6th).
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Thanks Zeke.
But question, aren’t standings only official at the end of the season?
Until then there are only official results.
Since there are games tonight, all those standings and tie breaker rules do not apply.
thus, mid season we are simply left with sorting the official results in the order that makes sense. To me, not much separating the top handful of teams right now, so saying 6 tied for first is actually a pretty good picture to me.
but most important. Nice to be debating where the leafs are between 1-6 in the standings as opposed to 27-32.
This is true - except we do use the standings mid-season for real things that matter, such as waiver priority order, in which case every league always uses win% (or pts%) to decide that.
And if a season is interrupted so that teams don't play the same number of games, again it's always win%/pts% used to determine the final standings.
Maybe I have bad eyes, but I counted 6 teams at 12 games over 500.
That’s basically how baseball determines games back of leader..
interesting I just checked nhl.com
It says if 2 teams are tied for points in the regular season then the following rules apply etc etc. But that would mean that points is the official first determination. Hmmm.
it’s really all moot, but interesting to discuss.
Interesting.
Ya know if re-read the nhl tie breakers rules I can seem why it can be misinterpreted
It got me! It starts with if 2 teams are tied in points etc etc.
I thought it over. Doesn’t actually mean they look at points first. I just read it that way.
I still like the baseball picture the best to SHOW the picture, damn the official standings.
Take care guys.
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I use hockey reference, excellent site, here's a link: 2021-22 NHL Summary | Hockey-Reference.com
Scroll down a bit to where is shows all the teams under the heading Team Statistics and then click on PTS%, then all the teams will be ordered by that column and you will see what I mean.
1st place CAR is at .722, 8th place COL is at .692 and CAL is in 9th with .643 so the gap between 1st and 8th is smaller than the gap between 8th and 9th.
Regarding how standings are determined, have a look at the final standings on nhl.com (link below), and note that FLA is ahead of NYR even though they have less points. DAL is also ahead of EDM, same thing going on there and there are other cases as well. It's PTS% that rules, period and don't believe anyone that tries to tell you otherwise, trust me, they don't know what they're talking about.
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Games back in baseball is great but it doesn't work in hockey because of how ties are resolved. Team A is one game back of team B. Team A wins a game and team B loses a game so they're tied right? Not so fast, if team B lost in OT or a shootout, they picked up one point and are still ahead. These "3 point" games skew everything which is annoying, the solution is to go to hockey reference.com, sort by PTS% and ignore all other noise.
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Nah it still works. You may have overthought.
You just need to go to quarter games not half games
An OT loss is half a half game
10-0-1 is 1/4 game back of 11-0-0
10-0-1 is 1/4 game ahead of 10-0-0
10-0-0 is 1/2 game back of 11-0-0
now, don’t get me started on the point system that awards 2 teams splitting 2 games more points than 2 other teams splitting 2 games because the first 2 took both games to OT and the other 2 finished in reg time.
thanks for the link!
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Quarter games, FML. You might be right, I just can't be bothered to think about it that deeply.
As for not getting you started ... I couldn't agree with you more, awarding 3 points for some games is, and always has been idiotic.
Nope haha I was wrongQuarter games, FML. You might be right, I just can't be bothered to think about it that deeply.
As for not getting you started ... I couldn't agree with you more, awarding 3 points for some games is, and always has been idiotic.
OT losses would simply be a wash in the standings.
It puts you no more or less over .500.
10-0-1 would actually be tied with 10-0-0 the way baseball shows it.
I overthought!
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You are pushing a really dumb point. All games need to be played and if you are using a barometer of seedings, you are better off looking at probabalistic models at this point of the year which account for which games other teams need to play.
Moneypuck has the leafs as the most likely to make the playoffs of any team in the league at 98.2%. It also has the leafs in second to make the finals behind the avalanche.
Well if that is what they say and I'm taking your word for it, they are worse than the NHL in tabling stats.
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Except that there's nothing probabilistic about it - pts% is the actual standings that they use for everything at all times.
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Its points at the end of 82 games. Quibbling about small percentages is overly pedantic.
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It's also pts% at the end of 82gms, and at any amount of games in between.
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