F Eduard Sale (2023, 20th, SEA)

[GettingYourMoms]

This guy looks like another Eduard Sale. What a legend!

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

CHL would be likely I think and probably for the best, or Sweden. For young Czech prospects who have made an NHL impact I can think of Necas and Hertl before him as the most recent. Most top Czech prospects go to the CHL because the Mens league is usually not a great league for young players to get ice time

If Jiri Kulich made it, Eduard Sale can do it next year

 

[GettingYourMoms]

If Jiri Kulich made it, Eduard Sale can do it next year

That's not how it works, different teams have different conception of using young players, if he gets 5 mins per game like Svozil he better play in NA or Sweden.

 

[dryz]

if he gets 5 mins per game like Svozil he better play in NA or Sweden.

Svozil's average icetime was 13:51 in 19/20 and 13:28 in 20/21.

 

[Goodman68]

Svozil's average icetime was 13:51 in 19/20 and 13:28 in 20/21.

However, Svozil's time on the ice gradually decreased towards the end of the season, until in the end he did not play at all.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

That's not how it works, different teams have different conception of using young players, if he gets 5 mins per game like Svozil he better play in NA or Sweden.

Kometa Brno are not a very strong team. Hascak is gone. Sale is said to be far more talented than Kulich.

It's only the European prospects of level B or C who will play in the North American junior leagues. The best remain in Europe to play in the senior championships.

This will be the case for Sale who should soon start playing in Czechia 1.

 

[GettingYourMoms]

Kometa Brno are not a very strong team. Hascak is gone. Sale is said to be far more talented than Kulich.

It's only the European prospects of level B or C who will play in the North American junior leagues. The best remain in Europe to play in the senior championships.

This will be the case for Sale who should soon start playing in Czechia 1.

idk man, Kulich is seriously underrated as a prospect he is so f***ing good, but Necas dad had friends from higher places, otherwise Kulich would be filthy famous in media right now. Kulich is better than Sale and is 200 f***ing times better than Necas at his age.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

idk man, Kulich is seriously underrated as a prospect he is so f***ing good, but Necas dad had friends from higher places, otherwise Kulich would be filthy famous in media right now. Kulich is better than Sale and is 200 f***ing times better than Necas at his age.

I also think that Kulich is currently very underestimated but he will have time to show his level. However, I don't think there is a big difference in level between Kulich and Necas. Better maybe. Much better not. Necas' level of performance shows very well that he was not overestimated. However, I never mentioned Necas. Only Sale. Sale has always been ahead of Kulich at every age. In 1 year, Sale should be better than Kulich today. Anyway, the idea is that a Czech prospect A must take a good spot in Czechia 1 to 17 years old. If Sale isn't able to made it, it's because he doesn't deserve as much attention. Nevertheless, I will be very surprised to see him fail. He will probably play in Czechia 1. No interest in going to CHL like all European players scheduled for the first round this year.

 

[lamini]

Kometa Brno are not a very strong team.

They are not very strong this year, but his chances depend on how strong they'll be next year. They are not a team that is happy just to stay in Extraliga, so I expect we'll see new faces next year.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

They are not very strong this year, but his chances depend on how strong they'll be next year. They are not a team that is happy just to stay in Extraliga, so I expect we'll see new faces next year.

No problem. The Czech league is not strong enough to hamper any selectable prospect in the 1st round

 

[Goodman68]

No problem. The Czech league is not strong enough to hamper any selectable prospect in the 1st round

It was Kometa Brno that harmed Svozil by first limiting his time on the ice and then withdrawing him from the game completely. And Svozil fell from the first round to the third. The Czech league is generally very unfavorable for young players.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

It was Kometa Brno that harmed Svozil by first limiting his time on the ice and then withdrawing him from the game completely. And Svozil fell from the first round to the third. The Czech league is generally very unfavorable for young players.

Svozil fell because he wasn't good. If the 2021 draft were to be redone, it would still be so low after a season in WHL.

The CHL is only valid for Czech players who do not have the level to play in Czechia 1.

If you think that is not the case for Sale, it is because you think that he is not good enough to play in Czechia 1.

I think so.

 

[GettingYourMoms]

Svozil fell because he wasn't good. If the 2021 draft were to be redone, it would still be so low after a season in WHL.

The CHL is only valid for Czech players who do not have the level to play in Czechia 1.

If you think that is not the case for Sale, it is because you think that he is not good enough to play in Czechia 1.

I think so.

What the fk is your problem bashing our prospects everywhere? Are you Slovak by any chance?

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

What the fk is your problem bashing our prospects everywhere? Are you Slovak by any chance?

Stupid Nickname, Stupid Poster

 

[GettingYourMoms]

Stupid Nickname, Stupid Poster

Yes you are.

 

[Goodman68]

Svozil fell because he wasn't good. If the 2021 draft were to be redone, it would still be so low after a season in WHL.

The CHL is only valid for Czech players who do not have the level to play in Czechia 1.

If you think that is not the case for Sale, it is because you think that he is not good enough to play in Czechia 1.

I think so.

I don't think you've seen as much as Czech fans. Zábranský (coach and head of Kometa) likes older players. Nečas was once so good that there was no doubt that he would get a place, last year he did not want at all in the team of Filip Krále, until in time he called him from a lower competition and because he was the best defender of the team, he got a place. Svozil could have made a mistake, but if this had happened in Sweden or Finland, he would not have been eliminated in this way. I've seen enough and Svozil was one of the few players on the team who wasn't afraid to play.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

I don't think you've seen as much as Czech fans. Zábranský (coach and head of Kometa) likes older players. Nečas was once so good that there was no doubt that he would get a place, last year he did not want at all in the team of Filip Krále, until in time he called him from a lower competition and because he was the best defender of the team, he got a place. Svozil could have made a mistake, but if this had happened in Sweden or Finland, he would not have been eliminated in this way. I've seen enough and Svozil was one of the few players on the team who wasn't afraid to play.

I don't quite understand where you are going with me and what idea you hear contradicting me.

I'm telling you that if a Czech player really has the level to be selected in the first round, it is necessarily a player capable of winning in Czechia 1.

Kral and Svozil did not have the level to be selected 1st Round and their performances in WHL showed it very well afterwards so it is clearly not the fault of the fact that they played in Czechia 1.

Kral will probably never play in NHL. Svozil it is very uncertain.

If you bet that Sale is elite prospect, you should expect Sale to be more talented than Kral and Svozil and be able to play in Czechia 1.

In my opinion, he will make his debut very soon in Czechia 1.

If you think he is not able to do it by 2023, indeed, he must play in CHL like Brabenec or Svozil. But in this case, that means it's a B or C prospect.

 

[Goodman68]

I don't quite understand where you are going with me and what idea you hear contradicting me.

I'm telling you that if a Czech player really has the level to be selected in the first round, it is necessarily a player capable of winning in Czechia 1.

Kral and Svozil did not have the level to be selected 1st Round and their performances in WHL showed it very well afterwards so it is clearly not the fault of the fact that they played in Czechia 1.

Kral will probably never play in NHL. Svozil it is very uncertain.

If you bet that Sale is elite prospect, you should expect Sale to be more talented than Kral and Svozil and be able to play in Czechia 1.

In my opinion, he will make his debut very soon in Czechia 1.

So one more time. It is a well-known fact that young players in the Czech league have a problem with not getting space. Specifically, coach Zábranský is one of them who creates this environment, okay?
The Scouts told Svozil that he should have gone earlier, that it was a theft. I don't have such a great overview as you, that you know how he plays in the WHL, you probably play his matches, I will be surprised and I would not be surprised if he was among the best at WJCH.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

So one more time. It is a well-known fact that young players in the Czech league have a problem with not getting space. Specifically, coach Zábranský is one of them who creates this environment, okay?
The Scouts told Svozil that he should have gone earlier, that it was a theft. I don't have such a great overview as you, that you know how he plays in the WHL, you probably play his matches, I will be surprised and I would not be surprised if he was among the best at WJCH.

The young Czech players failed to win at 17 in Czechia 1 because they did not have the level.

The level of eligible players over the past 3 years has been very low.

A lot of Czech players went to CHL and that didn't help them.

It is a question of level.

I tell you that a prospect A must have the level to play in Czechia 1.

Jiricek and Kulich are doing it really well this year.

Give a player of this level to Zabransky and he makes him play.

Svozil plays on the same team as Bedard so it's not that hard to see him in action if you're interested in the draft and have taken out a subscription.

I did not like his performances during international tournaments. He was not a first round player. Clearly.

And if you think Sale's case is comparable to Svozil, then that means he's not worth considering as prospect A.

 

[lamini]

If you bet that Sale is elite prospect, you should expect Sale to be more talented than Kral and Svozil and be able to play in Czechia 1.

To be able to do something and to get chance to do it are two different things. Hronek's 2015/2016 season with 7 mins toi didn't help him.

Edit: I don't say going to CHL is good way for him, would prefere he stays in Europe, even Czech republic...I'm just not sure the team will give him chance to show if he's good enough for Extraliga

 

[Goodman68]

The young Czech players failed to win at 17 in Czechia 1 because they did not have the level.

The level of eligible players over the past 3 years has been very low.

A lot of Czech players went to CHL and that didn't help them.

It is a question of level.

I tell you that a prospect A must have the level to play in Czechia 1.

Jiricek and Kulich are doing it really well this year.

Give a player of this level to Zabransky and he makes him play.

Svozil plays on the same team as Bedard so it's not that hard to see him in action if you're interested in the draft and have taken out a subscription.

I did not like his performances during international tournaments. He was not a first round player. Clearly.

And if you think Sale's case is comparable to Svozil, then that means he's not worth considering as prospect A.

Although you didn't like Svozil's performances at the tournaments, the Scouts liked them (and also Czech fans and journalists, he and Jiříček were rated as the best players), after which Svozil was in the first round. I give it more weight.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

To be able to do something and to get chance to do it are two different things. Hronek's 2015/2016 season with 7 mins toi didn't help him.

Do you have sources for statistics ? Because if it's to excessively reduce his playing time as for Svozil, it's not fair.

40 games in Czechia 1, 12 games in Czechia 2, 23 games in Czechia U20 - in minutes of play that must make a total of playing time over the season very high.

Either way, it didn't visibly handicap him too much.

Something often forgotten too : a defender takes longer than an attacker to develop. 1 to 2 years older. Sale is an attacker.

And I come back to my original idea: if Sale must absolutely go to CHL because he cannot win in Czechia 1 to 17 years old, this means that he is not a prospect A.

The last Czech A prospects who played in Czechia 1 at 17 (Hertl, Necas) have all been able to win. I don't see a counterexample.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Although you didn't like Svozil's performances at the tournaments, the Scouts liked them (and also Czech fans and journalists, he and Jiříček were rated as the best players), after which Svozil was in the first round. I give it more weight.

They love him so much that no team selected him in the first two rounds. Jiricek and he do not have the same level at all.

You can dream of seeing every Czech drafted prospect a talented player. You'll be disappointed.

The fact that to date the level of Czech hockey has never been so low. Especially among the defenders.

I was one of the most enthusiastic about talking about a Czech revival with Jiricek and Hamara. I thought about Svozil a few years ago but I was disappointed last year and this year I'm starting to doubt him.

 

[lamini]

Do you have sources for statistics ? Because if it's to excessively reduce his playing time as for Svozil, it's not fair.

40 games in Czechia 1, 12 games in Czechia 2, 23 games in Czechia U20 - in minutes of play that must make a total of playing time over the season very high.

Either way, it didn't visibly handicap him too much.

Something often forgotten too : a defender takes longer than an attacker to develop. 1 to 2 years older. Sale is an attacker.

And I come back to my original idea: if Sale must absolutely go to CHL because he cannot win in Czechia 1 to 17 years old, this means that he is not a prospect A.

The last Czech A prospects who played in Czechia 1 at 17 (Hertl, Necas) have all been able to win. I don't see a counterexample.

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My memory failed me, toi was 8:27. And I never said he must go to CHL (maybe others did, not me). If he gets the chance and plays decent minutes great, if he gets the chance and fails, he wasn't good enough...if they don't give him chance, he should look somewhere else (afterall that's what Dostal did, and I think playing in Liiga was better for him than 2nd tier Czech league).

 

[Goodman68]

They love him so much that no team selected him in the first two rounds. Jiricek and he do not have the same level at all.

You can dream of seeing every Czech drafted prospect a talented player. You'll be disappointed.

The fact that to date the level of Czech hockey has never been so low. Especially among the defenders.

I was one of the most enthusiastic about talking about a Czech revival with Jiricek and Hamara. I thought about Svozil a few years ago but I was disappointed last year and this year I'm starting to doubt him.

I think we can close it slowly, your arguments slipping into a position that you are refuting something that was not mentioned. Jiříček is the most prominent Czech defender in at least 10-15 years, maybe he will be in the top 10, no one here is arguing that Svozil should have been selected at the same level. You claimed that he played badly at WJCH, while moving in among the adepts of the first round. These are the facts.
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