F Charlie Stramel - Michigan State University, NCAA (2023, 21st, MIN)
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Kevin Musto
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He's a low ceiling player, but has a high floor.
There's a decent chance he has a lengthy career as a bottom 6er. There's value in having a sure thing like that.
It's not a sexy pick, but calling it the worst pick in the 1st is wild considering some of the other picks that were made.
Also Judd Brackett generally knows what he's doing.
There's a decent chance he has a lengthy career as a bottom 6er. There's value in having a sure thing like that.
It's not a sexy pick, but calling it the worst pick in the 1st is wild considering some of the other picks that were made.
Also Judd Brackett generally knows what he's doing.
Dr Jan Itor
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Not going to go too crazy on this at the moment. Guy was playing NCAA hockey, at 3 months younger than Leonard/Moore, for a dumpster fire of a team. Needs to show marked improvement this year though.
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if he was hurt all year and didn't play, he'd have been a top 15 pick. There's worse projects to take on than a 6'3 right shot center who can skate
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he played plenty. Just not a good pick at that point and with the players available.
MuckOG
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Need to rebound today with our two 2nd rounders. Doesn't help that they are late ones.
WarriorofTime
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The issue is that a once strong Wisconsin program was a dumpster fire of a team last year. He honestly should have backed out of his commitment (he committed after they had a good 2020-21 season) after the wheels completely fell off the following season, but he held firm on his commitment. I dunno how many kids in the '23 Draft would have been able to rescue and manage a productive season amongst that mess. They were totally outclassed up and down the Big Ten. Tough spot for a kid that didn't turn 18 until midway through the Fall semester. At the same time, you can point to his USNDTP teammate Lucius (Hurricanes 4th round pick last year) that managed to play top line and put up PPG numbers.
Scouting is hard. Stramel just needs to focus on having a good season next year and hopefully playing for a new coach will help him get there.
Scouting is hard. Stramel just needs to focus on having a good season next year and hopefully playing for a new coach will help him get there.
Dickie Dunn
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People hate the value, not the player. If you take the 25th best prospect at #21, no one notices. If you take the 49th best player at #21 it's pitch forks and "LOL's".
ETA: prior to the season he was a borderline lotto pick. This year, we will find out who the real Stramel is.
ETA: prior to the season he was a borderline lotto pick. This year, we will find out who the real Stramel is.
Pavel Buchnevich
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I always felt like he was being really underrated on public lists. I saw some that were listing him like 3rd or 4th round, and it seemed preposterous to me.
The NHL is not junior hockey. Junior stat leaders don't matter at that point. The smallboyz tend to drop on draft day, and big players that are going to play, whether they reach their full potential, like Stramel are coveted. These are the types of players that a team is overpaying for every trade deadline because they want to add elements that better fit playoff hockey.
I also feel like many really underrated his offensive potential. It's absolutely true he had a weak offensive season, but Wisconsin was so terrible this year and literally fired the coach because of it. No one really scored on that team. He was also one of the very youngest players in college hockey. If he was playing junior hockey, he scores 75+ points somewhere and it's not even a question about if he should be a first round pick.
If you want to knock him down a little bit because he had a bad season at Wisconsin, sure. Having a bad season in your draft year isn't irrelevant, but his whole body of work and then his raw tools were clearly that of a first rounder. He even was pretty good at the WJC as an under-ager, and I didn't see that acknowledged much publicly. Doesn't it kind of help prove the point that Wisconsin was the problem when he was successful in a different environment?
The NHL is not junior hockey. Junior stat leaders don't matter at that point. The smallboyz tend to drop on draft day, and big players that are going to play, whether they reach their full potential, like Stramel are coveted. These are the types of players that a team is overpaying for every trade deadline because they want to add elements that better fit playoff hockey.
I also feel like many really underrated his offensive potential. It's absolutely true he had a weak offensive season, but Wisconsin was so terrible this year and literally fired the coach because of it. No one really scored on that team. He was also one of the very youngest players in college hockey. If he was playing junior hockey, he scores 75+ points somewhere and it's not even a question about if he should be a first round pick.
If you want to knock him down a little bit because he had a bad season at Wisconsin, sure. Having a bad season in your draft year isn't irrelevant, but his whole body of work and then his raw tools were clearly that of a first rounder. He even was pretty good at the WJC as an under-ager, and I didn't see that acknowledged much publicly. Doesn't it kind of help prove the point that Wisconsin was the problem when he was successful in a different environment?
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Gaucher 22OA in 2022
Stramel 21OA in 2023
Both future 4th liners.
Stramel 21OA in 2023
Both future 4th liners.
Hockey Duckie
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At the draft combine, Stramel showed he was one of the top physically gifted prospects.
Combine that with bad coaching at Wisconsin, then there could be a chance that Stramel can rehabilitate his projection. Stramel is a player that needs to be coached up. The Wild are gambling that a new coaching staff could do that for Stramel and that Stramel is a long term project.
Why at 21? Probably because the Wild didn't think he would be there at pick 53.
Picks around 20+ are all gambles. So the Wild took a big swing. The Wild are playing the long game here with Stramel.
- Stramel's combine ranking
- Vert jump: 5th
- Squat jump: 12th
- No Arm jump: 10th
- Bench press 50% of weight: 2nd
- Left Hand grip: 19th
- Pull ups: 22nd
- Horizontal jump: 1st
Combine that with bad coaching at Wisconsin, then there could be a chance that Stramel can rehabilitate his projection. Stramel is a player that needs to be coached up. The Wild are gambling that a new coaching staff could do that for Stramel and that Stramel is a long term project.
Why at 21? Probably because the Wild didn't think he would be there at pick 53.
Picks around 20+ are all gambles. So the Wild took a big swing. The Wild are playing the long game here with Stramel.
There were rumors that Philly and New York were going to select him and I don't think he'd last until Minnesota's 2nd. It is a strategic gamble for a team that needs some size. Even if he doesn't have the ceiling someone like Ritchie has, he may fit better with what Minnesota has in their system and on their team. No one thought that Hartman would fit in as a top 6 center, but - here we are. I'm a bigger fan of Stramel than a lot of Wild fans and a lot of fans in general. I think the athleticism is something you can't coach and if they can get a little more from him, he's going to make a fantastic complimentary piece to the team.
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Still not sure why we’re using rankings made by people watching highlight reels as an indicator that this was a reach pick. I would be anything that he would’ve gone in the first round to another team if the MN goes in a different direction.
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Dr Jan Itor
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Born 2.5 months later and he's likely racking up the points at the NTDP last year and goes 5-10 spots earlier.
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Pavel Buchnevich
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Yeah, exactly this. I remember watching him play a few games with that 05 group when he returned from his injury during the second NTDP season. He had missed the first half of that season, so on an off week for the 18's they threw him into some U17 games, and he was the best player for that team in those games. He was better than Smith, Perreault, Leonard, all those guys. Obviously you can't compare a guy who is a 2004 to a 2005 apples to apples for many reasons, but it at least gives you an idea.
This stuck with me watching those games. To his credit, I think Corey Pronman alluded to this also, which I respect that he saw this same thing. Scott Wheeler (not trying to insult him as he's fine for what he does) seemed to miss these games and has constantly asserted Stramel has always just been a 3rd wheel type on any line he plays.
There's context to all this stuff. Stramel had a bad year, but I think if you put Smith, Perreault, Leonard in college hockey this year, and they fare as bad or worse. They would've dropped too. Doesn't change the reality of the situation. Stramel played college hockey this year and didn't do well. Those guys didn't and did play well, but I think down the road this will be one of those points you can point to contextually for why Stramel was actually a good pick where he was taken.
AintLifeGrand
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Did you see their numbers vs NCAA competition? Yeah, it's different playing for the USNTDP, but it's not like they had any trouble lighting it up against college teams.
Gavin Brindley seemed to do okay. As did most of the other 2004s from the USNTDP.
There were certainly no rumors that NY was going to take him. None of any legitimacy at least. Your post is actually the first I had heard of it
Dr Jan Itor
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I was mildly surprised Stramel went that high. Possibly a first round rounder but more likely in the 35-40 range after the difficult season production wise he had at Wisconsin. That said, he has size and a lot of tools. The Wild seem to be banking on him regrouping with what should be a better situation this year. If he can show some progress the selection will be more palatable. If he puts it all together he could be a steal. Won't know that for another three years or so though.
So have there been enough meh picks in the wild organization that people will finally realize Brackett sucks and wasn't "the wiz" that Benning haters used to take any credit away from Jimbo?
Boldy great pick, also an extremely obvious pick.
Not seeing a whole ton of hits in the wild system.
The guy was a hack for 5 years before Benning and has been a hack after Benning.
