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Filthy Dangles

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I figured I'd try this here. Didn't get much of a response on the mains but lets see. This place is known for being high on the stats and analytics, so we'll see...

Video and gametape doesn't get enough attention on these forums IMO. Probably because pulling a chart and number off a website is much more convenient than pulling and sifting through game tape and video you might not even have access to. But the bottom line is, when teams are pre-scouting an opponent when trying to win games, they aren't looking at charts they are watching the tape.

And imo stats not only don't tell the whole story, they perhaps often recite the wrong one.

Anyway, I have an archive every RS + PO game of the past 4 years at my disposal. As I think of a topic that might be worthy, I figure I'll leave this here and let it breathe. In case anyone has a question or something they'd like answered, whether about the Rangers, the game itself, a team, a tactic/strategy/x's and o's I'd love to try and answer. And to gauge my knowledge of the game and what not here against others and what they know.
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I think going over video and stuff is great.

But I'm going to quickly interject this argument about stats here to clear up some misconceptions: How do you think modern advanced stats are created? It's not just pulling stats from a website and saying "this is bad because of X, Y, and Z"

It's from watching video and gametape and recording all the events on the ice. In fact, the creators of modern analytics probably watch the game more than anyone, second to only coaching staff/players. No one here, or anywhere really, argues that stats tell the whole story. Those that do are a small minority

I urge you to check out Corey Sznajder (@ShutdownLine on Twitter) and his advanced stats projects. He sits down and goes game by game for previous seasons and watches them in full, records them, and creates a lot of info from them.

But the bottom line is, when teams are pre-scouting an opponent when trying to win games, they aren't looking at charts they are watching the tape.
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I think it's 50/50, actually

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But anyway, back to the scheduled programming.
 
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I like this idea, but let's be clear to make this a thread about how the eye/video test shows aspects that the advanced stats are perhaps missing, rather than making it an anti-advanced stats thread.

IMO, there is clearly value in the nascent practice of measuring advanced stats, but it's not yet perfected. I'd LOVE it if this thread could help posters like @silverfish and @SA16 figure out how to develop new stats that more accurately reflect aspects of the game that the current measurables miss....
 
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Yes 1000% to the idea this isn't the Stats vs Eye Test thread, shouldn't even have mentioned them in the OP.
 
I'm curious, what recordings do you have? Is it just the MSG/NBC/NBCSN feed that everyone sees? Or is it like the "truck feed" so-to-speak.
 
Irishguy42 said:
I'm curious, what recordings do you have? Is it just the MSG/NBC/NBCSN recording? Or is it like the "truck feed" so-to-speak.
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Home and away and National (if nationally televised) broadcast of essentially every single game.
 
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I like this idea, but let's be clear to make this a thread about how the eye/video test shows aspects that the advanced stats are perhaps missing, rather than making it an anti-advanced stats thread.

IMO, there is clearly value in the nascent practice of measuring advanced stats, but it's not yet perfected. I'd LOVE it if this thread could help posters like @silverfish and @SA16 figure out how to develop new stats that more accurately reflect aspects of the game that the current measurables miss....
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There is nothing I can develop that is better than what's already out there, but I appreciate the vote of confidence.
 
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Filthy Dangles said:
Home and away and National (if nationally televised) broadcast of essentially every single game.
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See, this would be interesting to me just to hear how other teams' broadcasters talk about the Rangers and what they think of the players/coaching staff/strategies.

But to be back on topic of game tape/video evaluation, I'm not sure how much just having what the game program shows us will help decipher team strategy and whatnot. We miss a lot that happens off-screen. Granted, a lot happens on-screen that can help slow down and decipher.

Teams have access to all camera angles to "game plan"

But it is a fun exercise, I guess.
 
It’s useful for analyzing systems and puck tracking to try to improve on what’s out there. There’s a ton of proprietary metrics that teams use for puck retrievals and generating plays for specific players, so it’ll be cool if we can try to identify trends in here.
 
Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
I like this idea, but let's be clear to make this a thread about how the eye/video test shows aspects that the advanced stats are perhaps missing, rather than making it an anti-advanced stats thread.

IMO, there is clearly value in the nascent practice of measuring advanced stats, but it's not yet perfected. I'd LOVE it if this thread could help posters like @silverfish and @SA16 figure out how to develop new stats that more accurately reflect aspects of the game that the current measurables miss....
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This thread seems like a good idea and I absolutely concur with BRF here. If we can keep it about discussing video and such, we should be fine. When people start throwing shade at those who look at the game using a more statistics based approach, this will end.
 
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Don't have the game tape to back it up, and obviously it's just one preseason game so not going to read too much into it, but did anyone notice the difference in breakouts last night? Seemed to me like the defenders were much more patient, often passing d-to-d and even spinning back to regroup in order to find the best pass option. Last year the D men seemed more focused on a quick breakout pass looking for breakaways and odd man rushes. Will be interesting to see if this was just a coincidence or if it appears to be a part of Quinn's system.
 
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Don't have the game tape to back it up, and obviously it's just one preseason game so not going to read too much into it, but did anyone notice the difference in breakouts last night? Seemed to me like the defenders were much more patient, often passing d-to-d and even spinning back to regroup in order to find the best pass option. Last year the D men seemed more focused on a quick breakout pass looking for breakaways and odd man rushes. Will be interesting to see if this was just a coincidence or if it appears to be a part of Quinn's system.
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I noticed we didn't send three guys behind the net after the puck.
 
wiz35 said:
Don't have the game tape to back it up, and obviously it's just one preseason game so not going to read too much into it, but did anyone notice the difference in breakouts last night? Seemed to me like the defenders were much more patient, often passing d-to-d and even spinning back to regroup in order to find the best pass option. Last year the D men seemed more focused on a quick breakout pass looking for breakaways and odd man rushes. Will be interesting to see if this was just a coincidence or if it appears to be a part of Quinn's system.
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Noticed this a ton, good call.
 
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