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Edmonton Immediately tried to get McDavid away from Barkov matchup when they could at home. So that tells you how they think that matchup is going.
Edmonton Immediately tried to get McDavid away from Barkov matchup when they could at home. So that tells you how they think that matchup is going.
Bob was outplayed by Swayman and Shesterkin and you can‘t blame him for that. Both were/are great.You are trying to hype up Bob to make yourself feel better about your dear Edmonton
He’s nowhere near Kopitar, Bergeron or Datsyuk.. your entire argument is trash.. with that said, he is most definitely one of the best defensive forwards in the league and will continue to be for the foreseeable future..Barkov is still playing, so it’s not fair to compare him to player like Bergeron defensively. He have not reached that level of dominance yet. He is far above Kopitar for sure. Maybe tier below Bergeron and Datsyuk, with a chance to reach that tier but not above that. He needs to dominate his peers defensively year after year for the next 5-8 years to reach that tier. Possible? Yeah for sure, he dominated his peers this year, but it’s far from easy. He is overall better player compared to Bergeron, but needs to prove more to be called Datsyuk tier overall player. It’s possible, but far from certain.
I believe there is plenty of posters who overrate and underrate him. As for now he should be rated in between. If he wins the cup and Conn Smythe, he should be rated higher.
He’s nowhere near Kopitar, Bergeron or Datsyuk.. your entire argument is trash.. with that said, he is most definitely one of the best defensive forwards in the league and will continue to be for the foreseeable future..
Offensively he is better than Bergeron but not better defensively.He's close to the first two, if not right there with them. None are comparable to Datsyuk though.
He's a top 7 center with an argument for #5 depending on the year. The many folks that have him up at #3 or even higher are the ones that are overrating him.Wildly different... in this one series, and that's giving you credit for this bad argument.
Barkov being Barkov isn't some new thing. We knew this was his game before he got here, it's in his draft report. It turned out he was actually really good at it, and tons of fans knew that years ago so acting like he's some new flavor is just being mad that national broadcasts are giving him appropriate love while his team is doing well.
Like... he's a perennial Selke nominee at this point and had already won one before this year. What the f*** are you guys talking about?
Textbook leading by example.Atleast my scales have been lifted.
Barkov actually bad, he slash, and he fake, only take elbow to jaw. Bad Barkov why u dive ... and slash
Sure, just like Kovalev is the most talented player Hyperbole Gretzky ever played against.
...in the regular season over 82 games.He's a top 7 center with an argument for #5 depending on the year. The many folks that have him up at #3 or even higher are the ones that are overrating him.
It annoys me when people back up their view with Gretzky's opinion. That guy probably saw magnificent traits of talent in Shawn Antoski or Hunter Shinkaruk (while they were in NHL). If someone built a team with every "one of the best players" Gretzky has ever seen (in their prime), they'd probably have a very close match against expansion draft Columbus Blue Jackets.Not that barkov isn't a great player, but gretzky would also pump the tires of your local zamboni driver.
He drops down even further in the regular season when you start adding in Hughes/Miller/EP....in the regular season over 82 games.
Much like Bergeron, suddenly that rating goes up a little when he's in your face for 7. It's just not a new thing. Really good defensive forwards get knocked down the list a little and then the playoffs come around and they're standouts for good reason virtually every time. Selke guys get playoff teams in the mood to win games. If Backstrom weren't also a wizard he'd be on that list too and I'd have an axe to grind but instead he found the soft middle where he just wasn't talked about.
You're getting all wild about "ratings" when the reality is that winning tips scales. Being focused on how close Barkov is to the "top two" is not far off from "respect in the handshake line".
Gretzky has the name recognition. You can make instant headlines with Gretzky quotes, especially with big magazines whose readership probably isn't that dedicated to the sport.It annoys me when people back up their view with Gretzky's opinion. That guy probably saw magnificent traits of talent in Shawn Antoski or Hunter Shinkaruk (while they were in NHL). If someone built a team with every "one of the best players" Gretzky has ever seen (in their prime), they'd probably have a very close match against expansion draft Columbus Blue Jackets.
Every time I see you post, you're stuck on this series. What about all the other ones? Also, it's easy to blame all your team's failures on getting goalie'd. Goalies are voodo, after all. It was funny how Oilers fans said both McDavid and Draisaitl would absolutely steamroll Barkov.He drops down even further in the regular season when you start adding in Hughes/Miller/EP.
You're not wrong, but that doesn't change how Barkov has just started to become rated this highly due to Bobrovsky's play in the series. This tale of Barkov's ability as "capable of shutting down McDavid head to head" is widely overblown.
Only since this series has Barkov’s status been largely elevated into overrated territory. Do you think people would be putting Barkov at #3 if he had a Stu Skinner backing his team up between the pipes in these finals?Every time I see you post, you're stuck on this series. What about all the other ones? Also, it's easy to blame all your team's failures on getting goalie'd. Goalies are voodo, after all. It was funny how Oilers fans said both McDavid and Draisaitl would absolutely steamroll Barkov.
The players mentioned don't have much of an offensive gap over Barkov at all... Barkov has had 96 points before, rivalling their best. He also put up 88 in 67. Call me when one of those guys win a Selke or two while putting up those numbers.
Lol 96 points. Once. Lol. The gap between the big boys Leon and McDavid and Barkov in offensive production if we are being serious is a gigantic.Every time I see you post, you're stuck on this series. What about all the other ones? Also, it's easy to blame all your team's failures on getting goalie'd. Goalies are voodo, after all. It was funny how Oilers fans said both McDavid and Draisaitl would absolutely steamroll Barkov.
The players mentioned don't have much of an offensive gap over Barkov at all... Barkov has had 96 points before, rivalling their best. He also put up 88 in 67. Call me when one of those guys win a Selke or two while putting up those numbers.
As I've said before, the only centers I'd rank CLEARLY above him are:Only since this series has Barkov’s status been largely elevated into overrated territory. Do you think people would be putting Barkov at #3 if he had a Stu Skinner backing his team up between the pipes in these finals?
Like I said, he definitely has an argument for #5 over those players depending on the year, but no higher. I did miss a *potentially* in the last post you quoted.
Read the whole post, please. I don't put Barkov at #1, so the two names mentioned are irrelevant. He brought up JT Miller, EP, and Jack Hughes.Lol 96 points. Once. Lol. The gap between the big boys Leon and McDavid and Barkov in offensive production if we are being serious is a gigantic.
Barkov finished 23rd in PPG this season. That doesn't warrant 3rd best C or even a top 5C. He had .01 more Point Per Game than Pettersson who had a miserable 2nd half of the season. Outside of Florida and Finland you won't see much of an argument for him being a top 5 C.Read the whole post, please. I don't put Barkov at #1, so the two names mentioned are irrelevant. He brought up JT Miller, EP, and Jack Hughes.
Now, recalibrate and read what I said again.
PPG isn't everything, and placements don't say how much of a difference there is between them. Let's go through the centers above him in regular season scoring. I know you said PPG, but actually being in games should be taken into account as well... You don't produce if you're not in the lineup (which could be used against Barkov some years).Barkov finished 23rd in PPG this season. That doesn't warrant 3rd best C or even a top 5C. He had .01 more Point Per Game than Pettersson who had a miserable 2nd half of the season. Outside of Florida and Finland you won't see much of an argument for him being a top 5 C.
Hate it or love it . Matthews has the same production as Barkov in the post season with on a lesser team. He also has 2 60G seasons almost a 70G. I'd have to rank him higher than Barkov.