Value of: Erik Karlsson to last minute contender?

[Gubbhornet]

Ok, the way Erik is looking now it would be a shame if he didn't got another chance for the cup. Could he be fitted to any contender that are on the last couple of years before their window is over?

Of course his contract won't be looking good the last couple of years but does it really matter after the window has closed? I mean, I doubt that the Blackhawks regret signing Toews for 10 M.

Any takers? Retain what you need but be realistic.

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[vHAB]

Ok, the way Erik is looking now it would be a shame if he didn't got another chance for the cup. Could he be fitted to any contender that are on the last couple of years before their window is over?

Of course his contract won't be looking good the last couple of years but does it really matter after the window has closed? I mean, I doubt that the Blackhawks regret signing Toews for 10 M.

Any takers? Retain what you need but be realistic.

Toews' contract is part of the reason Chicago's window closed when it did. Not saying they regret it as they had already won cups with him as their Captain so he earned it, but I don't think that's the same as taking on a bad contract from another team. Karlsson's ripping it up right now, but it'll take a lot more than a good run of 16 games to convince a team to take on his deal I suspect.

 

[Gubbhornet]

Toews' contract is part of the reason Chicago's window closed when it did. Not saying they regret it as they had already won cups with him as their Captain so he earned it, but I don't think that's the same as taking on a bad contract from another team. Karlsson's ripping it up right now, but it'll take a lot more than a good run of 16 games to convince a team to take on his deal I suspect.

Of course, but let's say he stays on old time-Karlsson level until trade deadline. Then you might have a cup-run, another decent year, and then probably cap gell for the rest of the contract.

 

[67 others]

Toews' contract is part of the reason Chicago's window closed when it did. Not saying they regret it as they had already won cups with him as their Captain so he earned it, but I don't think that's the same as taking on a bad contract from another team. Karlsson's ripping it up right now, but it'll take a lot more than a good run of 16 games to convince a team to take on his deal I suspect.

Toews and Kane double teaming ownership and both saying 2 max contracts together or nothing did indeed ruin Chicago's ability to retain depth. Many here said it would while the die hards proclaimed they could continually refresh around them and keep winning cups.

2 seasons into those contracts you saw the writing on the wall.

 

[wintersej]

Toews' contract is part of the reason Chicago's window closed when it did. Not saying they regret it as they had already won cups with him as their Captain so he earned it, but I don't think that's the same as taking on a bad contract from another team. Karlsson's ripping it up right now, but it'll take a lot more than a good run of 16 games to convince a team to take on his deal I suspect.

If the cap didn’t go flat and if Toews stayed a #1C and if Chicago had successfully retooled they could have had another run even with Toews and Kane making big money. Obviously a lot had to go right and none of it did, but I don’t think signing those guys to big deals alone put Chicago in a bad spot.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Ok, the way Erik is looking now it would be a shame if he didn't got another chance for the cup. Could he be fitted to any contender that are on the last couple of years before their window is over?

Of course his contract won't be looking good the last couple of years but does it really matter after the window has closed? I mean, I doubt that the Blackhawks regret signing Toews for 10 M.

Any takers? Retain what you need but be realistic.

5 more years at $11.5M lol. You could definitely find takers if you retain on him.

 

[seafoam]

Is San Jose willing to retain?

~20% retained would bring Karlsson’s cap hit in line with Barzal’s extension at 9.15M per.

Barzal and Karlsson on the same team would be ridiculous and Lamoriello is a mad man. Beauvillier would have to be going back to San Jose for sure and one of Dobson, Karlsson, Mayfield, Pulock would have to play the left side (although Mayfield is an impending UFA).

 

[TGWL]

If the cap didn’t go flat and if Toews stayed a #1C and if Chicago had successfully retooled they could have had another run even with Toews and Kane making big money. Obviously a lot had to go right and none of it did, but I don’t think signing those guys to big deals alone put Chicago in a bad spot.

It wasn't just those guys. It was a lot of their signings.

 

[Mrfenn92]

It wasn't just those guys. It was a lot of their signings.

Bickell and the subsequent trade that included teravainen. Seabrook to a thank you deal. Trading sharp for Daley then trading him for scuderi. Then the deal blow was crawford unfortunately couldn’t stay healthy because he masked a lot of deficiencies at the end.

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

Retention down to $6m-$7m and/or taking contracts back would entice teams the way he has played this year. They'll get some decent assets back, which would have been surprising 6 months ago.

With Burns already being retained, it'd be crazy having both retained but they both get paid less than their cap now and the Sharks aren't competing in the next 2-3 years at minimum.

 

[Gecklund]

I feel like SJ would be looking for way more than anyone would want to pay. Thing is he’s been absolutely fantastic. Dallas was the first game that we won that he didn’t score the game winning goal. He’s currently on pace for about 107 points (if he plays a full 82 games which doubtful but who knows) and has been playing fine defensively (people will try to argue this but they are wrong). He’s been the only reason to watch SJ up until recently when Hertl/Timo starting turning this around a bit.

With his play, he’s worth about what we paid for him. With his contract/health, he’s not but why would we take less? I understand the whole tanking concept and wanting to be as bad as possible but Sharks aren’t some big market team. They can’t just run out some absolute shit team that loses 5-0 every game. I actually like the way they are losing now with games being much more high scoring. Even with Karlsson playing his best hockey in 5ish years, we still have the fourth worst PPG and more games played than most teams.

 

[TGWL]

Retaining on Karlsson would give SJ 1 more retention spot until 2025-2026 season. That's a tough ask for a team looking to rebuild and cash in on assets, move out pieces, and partake in trades that benefits them. Couture would be the 3rd retention, I suppose. They're left with nothing after that.

This team will have some deadline cap. I think it would make more sense right now to use that and gain free assets by being a 3rd involved trade partner, retaining on 2 expiring players. You can move Karlsson in the offseason when teams can manage the cap better without SJ retaining as much.

 

[I am Canadian]

Bruins?

 

[oilers4life]

the oilers would be nice but would be really hard to make the money work i think

 

[HuGort]

Ok, the way Erik is looking now it would be a shame if he didn't got another chance for the cup. Could he be fitted to any contender that are on the last couple of years before their window is over?

Of course his contract won't be looking good the last couple of years but does it really matter after the window has closed? I mean, I doubt that the Blackhawks regret signing Toews for 10 M.

Any takers? Retain what you need but be realistic.

Would you move him just to dump his contract?

 

[The don godfather]

Bruins?

Would love him but Bruins are knee deep in D right now. They so deep.

 

[QJL]

4 more seasons after this. For me, that contract is untradeable even at 50% and even if Karlsson cracks 80 points.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Don't see san Jose retaining for that many years so nope. He ain't going anywhere considering nobody has the cap available unless multiple cap dumps go back

Wheeler plus Pionk for Karlsson

That's what it would look like... 2 guys making lots of money for 1 guy making lots of money

 

[Neutrinos]

Don't see san Jose retaining for that many years so nope. He ain't going anywhere considering nobody has the cap available unless multiple cap dumps go back

Wheeler plus Pionk for Karlsson

That's what it would look like... 2 guys making lots of money for 1 guy making lots of money

I understand Wheeler being included because of his age and cap hit, but if the Jets are acquiring Karlsson for the purpose of improving their lineup to make a deep playoff run, why are they sending out Pionk as part of the trade?

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Don't see san Jose retaining for that many years so nope. He ain't going anywhere considering nobody has the cap available unless multiple cap dumps go back

Wheeler plus Pionk for Karlsson

That's what it would look like... 2 guys making lots of money for 1 guy making lots of money

I think the Sharks won’t have a choice here. The Sharks will keep Karlsson for as long as he’s willing to stay until the final year of his deal. Once he wants out, they’ll retain what they have to in order to get a deal done to move on. What that looks like will largely be up to Karlsson.

 

[im gangster]

lol last minute contender

i betcha you can talk aquilini into karlsson at the tdl if nucks are single digits out

 

[Juicy Pop]

Trade him to the Flyers for Konency and two 1sts.

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Making this team tough to play against... glug! Well also gauranyee a 10m extn3sion into his 50s!... glug glug glug

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[RationalExpectations]

4 more seasons after this. For me, that contract is untradeable even at 50% and even if Karlsson cracks 80 points.

At 50% ? Less than 6m? Of course people would want him, hoping he can be driving their PPs for 3 years and end up either as a dump during 2 years or on LTIR.… but SJS retaining over 5 years is… optimistic.

 

[wetcoast]

5 more years at $11.5M lol. You could definitely find takers if you retain on him.

How many actual SC contenders could even take on his contract even with say 40% retained?

Off the top of my head I would say zero.

 

[Gubbhornet]

How about for Tavares + picks/prospects? San José saves a couple of big contract years.