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Epic Calder Race 2024-25

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Summer Rose said:
I highly doubt Dustin Wolf wins it, and while he'll get some votes, he'll probably get fewer votes than he truly deserves. It's really difficult to compare goaltenders to skaters, so being a goaltender is simply a strike against him when it comes to the Calder race. It's also uncommon for goaltenders to win individual trophies that are open to all players, such as the Calder, unless they're clearly better than their (skater) competition for the award by a very large margin. That's another strike against him.

I'm not saying that he's deserving of winning it, and feel that it's Macklin Celebrini's to lose at this point of the season (unless something drastic happens), but it's an interesting thing to point out.
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...I totally get what your saying, however I believe that if the Rookie point race stays close and Wolf continues to drag Calgary to a PO spot, it should, imo, go to Wolf...
 
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FlyguyOX said:
Same with Michkov. He wasn't so bad that they had to bench him. It was strategic.
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Interesting, I remember seeing the below from Torts in late October. Following that quote, Michkov’s ice time was cut in the couple games that followed and then he was scratched:

John Tortorella on Matvei Michkov:

"He's a 19-year-old kid playing in the best league in the World. He's totally not concentrated on certain parts of the game. If I see other guys going, then he's going to sit and watch a bit. That's all that was. He has had some struggles."
 
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WhiskeyYerTheDevils said:
That is provably false. The plan with Carlsson was known and communicated before the season even started.
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They were both strategic and didn't have anything to do with "too bad to play".

Mattb124 said:
Interesting, I remember seeing the below from Torts in late October. Following that quote, Michkov’s ice time was cut in the couple games that followed and then he was scratched:

John Tortorella on Matvei Michkov:

"He's a 19-year-old kid playing in the best league in the World. He's totally not concentrated on certain parts of the game. If I see other guys going, then he's going to sit and watch a bit. That's all that was. He has had some struggles."
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See, strategic. If MTL had Torts then I'd wager Hutson would've sat far more games than michkov.
 
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FlyguyOX said:
They were both strategic and didn't have anything to do with "too bad to play".


See, strategic. If MTL had Torts then I'd wager Hutson would've sat far more games than michkov.
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One was planned absence for physical development, the other was unplanned based on poor performance. They aren't remotely comparable situations.
 
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Stewie Griffin said:
Yes of course. I know it's so hard to compare the F v D v G, but I just feel if it's close, the voters will lean towards the top line C that was a 1st overall pick.

Who knows, this will go down to the wire. It's awesome to watch.
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I also think Wolf has two other knocks against him.

He is 23 years old and had already played +100 pro games before this season. Rightly or wrongly there will be those he will hold that against him.

He likely needs to be a clear cut Vezina finalist to compete with what Celebrini.
 
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Herschel said:
I also think Wolf has two other knocks against him.

He is 23 years old and had already played +100 pro games before this season. Rightly or wrongly there will be those he will hold that against him.

He likely needs to be a clear cut Vezina finalist to compete with what Celebrini.
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That standard doesn't usually apply to goalies. A top pick (at F or D) is coming into the league at 18 or 19. An elite goalie prospect isn't making it to the NHL until 21 or 22 at the earliest
 
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Herschel said:
I also think Wolf has two other knocks against him.

He is 23 years old and had already played +100 pro games before this season. Rightly or wrongly there will be those he will hold that against him.

He likely needs to be a clear cut Vezina finalist to compete with what Celebrini.
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He’s the youngest full time goalie in the league.
 
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Summer Rose said:
I highly doubt Dustin Wolf wins it, and while he'll get some votes, he'll probably get fewer votes than he truly deserves. It's really difficult to compare goaltenders to skaters, so being a goaltender is simply a strike against him when it comes to the Calder race. It's also uncommon for goaltenders to win individual trophies that are open to all players, such as the Calder, unless they're clearly better than their (skater) competition for the award by a very large margin. That's another strike against him.

I'm not saying that he's deserving of winning it, and feel that it's Macklin Celebrini's to lose at this point of the season (unless something drastic happens), but it's an interesting thing to point out.
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Thats just rude Summer! If the Flames make the playoffs, than hes going to get a ton of looks and votes. More and more media are noticing him on the east coast. This road trip the Flames are currently on is going to open some eyes.
 
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The lack of degenerates on HF is actually surprising, because you'd understand that Celebrini at his odds is not remotely a lock/penciled in for the trophy - it's legitimately going to come down to this final stretch with Celebrini holding a lead at the moment.
 
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Herschel said:
I also think Wolf has two other knocks against him.

He is 23 years old and had already played +100 pro games before this season. Rightly or wrongly there will be those he will hold that against him.

He likely needs to be a clear cut Vezina finalist to compete with what Celebrini.
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Wolf is also a ginger plus he's also short for a goalie.... two more knocks.
 
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Stewie Griffin said:
Celebrini vs Hutson round 2 tomorrow.

While I am a Sharks fan, so take it with a grain of salt, Celebrini clearly stands out as one of the best players on the ice (on both ends) in nearly every game he's played. Some of the other rookies are unnoticeable at times. Whether it's fair or not as well, I think he will get votes simply for being a 1st overall pick that has played this well.
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Not sure how this statement can be taken seriously. You watch all the other teams games? Even if Hutson doesn't have a point every game, he's still very noticeable every game.
 
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