Epic Calder Battle in 2024-25 Season

[HeadLiceHatty]

Sure, the 2nd leading scorer on the team is 3rd line. Right. His most common linemates are Frost, Tippett, Couturier, TK.

Sure, 3rd line. Right.

Let's check in on the quality of teammate/competition debate:

Michkov teammates: GAR/60: 0.17 xGAR/60: 0.2
Celebrini: GAR/60: 0 xGAR/60: 0

Michkov competition: GAR/60: 0.18 xGAR/60: 0.2
Celebrini: GAR/60: 0.22 xGAR/60: 0.24

So Michkov has better teammates, and faces almost same level of competition as Celebrini. The contextual usage difference isn't material enough to offset that Michkov has played more games than Celebrini and scored at similar ppg level.

Plus, Michkov has better play-driving, quality chance deferential metrics which match actual on ice goal deferential where he's outscoring the opponent on the ice more than celebrini is.

Add in that celebrini is on the west coast in a meh market and Michkov is easily the leader for calder.


How is he better defensively? Can you point to the metrics? Because that's not what I see.

Michkov is easily going to be better. He's a 120+ point superstar.

Don't say this to the 8 sharks fans in here, they're going to go banana's lmaoo. Michkov will continue to widen the gap, I watch both players, its easy to catch Sharks games in an Asia time zone. It's so obvious even beyond the advanced stats that absolutely back it up lol. I just found out the other day someone saying how they have a whole thread dedicated to talking about people who support Michkov on main boards, but we're the copers hahahaha. Celebrini will be a great player but he will never win a Hart or a Ross imo, it is what it is, even his durability is in question and he's only 18, these things matter.

 

[Bizz]

Celebrini is carrying his linemates. Michkov is being carried.

 

[wetcoast]

It's going to be an awesome race with Michkov ending up with more points (slightly more GP advantage with 8 at this point) versus the 200 way game of Celebrini and a small part of me wants Celebrini to win because there will be more false outrage from their side than if Celebrini loses.

Either way we have 2 excellent players here who are going to be stars and perhaps superstars for a long time.

I thought that Stank might have a chance before the season but he simply doesn't get enough PP TOI compared to the 2 front runners and Hutson just doesn't have the 2 way game to be in the race like faber did last year.

Wolf probably rounds out my top 5 if I had a ballot.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

It's going to be an awesome race with Michkov ending up with more points (slightly more GP advantage with 8 at this point) versus the 200 way game of Celebrini and a small part of me wants Celebrini to win because there will be more false outrage from their side than if Celebrini loses.

Either way we have 2 excellent players here who are going to be stars and perhaps superstars for a long time.

I thought that Stank might have a chance before the season but he simply doesn't get enough PP TOI compared to the 2 front runners and Hutson just doesn't have the 2 way game to be in the race like faber did last year.

Wolf probably rounds out my top 5 if I had a ballot.

Both players will be superstars, no one would be this pissed or aggressive on the board if only they had 1st line upside lol

 

[wetcoast]

Both players will be superstars, no one would be this pissed or aggressive on the board if only they had 1st line upside lol

That wasn't my point but thank you for making my point for me.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

That wasn't my point but thank you for making my point for me.

That’s what I’m here for, although you post was better than mine . Definitely one of my favorite years watching hockey, should be a great finish. I highlighted/bolded in the quote what I was referring to lol