End of Season Pressers (Monday May 15)

[saffronleaf]

The presser should start with Dubas and Shanny at the podium. Then Spezza's entrance music plays, he comes out and immediately gives Shanny a stunner, piledrives Dubas.

This is followed by each player on the roster being brought out one by one and Vintage puts them put into a figure 4 leg lock for 5 mins. The presser ands after he crushes 2 cases of Bud Light

Fin

i'm dying

 

[myleafs]

The core abused the golden goose and I hope they have some fear running through them.

How much fear can they actually have...oh no I might get traded somewhere for a year while making millions and then next year I can pick and choose where I want to go and make tens of millions

 

[centipede2233]

Personally, these are my takes.

ROR, he is as good as gone and he also thanked the staff for taking care of his dad. Don't think ROR wants to be back or he is looking at who gets the best offer.

Acciari, he wants to come back but also probably due to being the type of player he is, yes we need someone like him but most teams don't. Anything close and all Leafs need to do is add a year or two more and he will be back.

Reilly, I think he knows something is brewing behind the scene and knows changes are happening due to the results. First time I seen Reilly felt like a missed opportunity not to advance.

Willie, he wants to be here but at what price. Personally, at this moment, he is not worth more than Tkachuk, and I don't think any GMs in the league will give him a contract bigger than Tkachuk. Should come at 9mil x 8 yrs, could be 8.8mil for 8yrs. Would be great if it is 8x8yrs.

AM, I don't see him wanting to leave. I do get a sense that he won't take any discounts, but what is his market value? If Mack after winning a Cup signed for 12.75mil last summer, while Pastra just signed a contract a little under his current caphit, is AM at 12mil or 12.5mil? He might sign another 5 yrs deal in order to cash in but I think he will opt for front load 8 yrs deal at 12-12.5mil. Whoever is the Leafs GM will say yes to 12.5mil bc it is not even a mil more than what he is getting now.

MM, I have a feeling he feels that he might be the odd man out from what he said today. Personally, I would not trade MM until JT is gone.

JT, he is preparing to leave. He said he wants to be captain and stay here but if MGT got a good trade for him and not retention or cap dump, I find it hard he will say No and us NMC as a reason. Its interesting how he brought up playing LW again but who will play 2C if you are a LW on the Leafs?

Keefe, DEAD MAN WALKING.

Dubas, I think he got an offer from MLSE and will talk to his family about it.

Reasonable takes. I think your Reilly take is spot on. His end of season was really telling when he said he didn’t want change in a very sad slow almost crying tone. Reilly has been on this team the longest, and likely has a pulse as to what is about to transpire

 

[Egghead1999]

With the Boston collapse to Florida, and with Florida barely sneaking into the playoffs this year after winning the President Trophy last year to be destroyed by Tampa, I think Dubas is finally convinced that regular season performers don't matter for squat...you need players that step up in the post season to win championships...keep possession at all cost also don't mean squat if you're going to give up backbreaking goals due to turnovers because you want to keep possession at all cost...his team building and game style philosophies have crashed and burned in front of him time and time again...he might also be lamenting why he didn't jump all over Tkachuk when he was available because from all evidence, Dubas has a pretty good relationship with the Flames.

I hope Dubas does not think that. For every LA KIng / FLA, there are many many "first-round-exist" #8 seeds. FLA gets lucky that their team gels at the right time. Just look at the FLAMES, it is completely opposite of FLA. Then, the Leafs' turnovers have nothing to do with keeping possession. It is due to Leafs' stars wanting to make those high-risk plays or holding on to the pucks too long. Watching Barry Trotz's teams (NYI or Predators) plays, those are keeping possessions.

 

[Gabriel426]

I don't think JT is going anywhere...he set his roots here to start his family with his wife who's from around here...now, he has two young children, and his whole family is around here also.

Marner is probably the odd man out because he's going to fetch a big return.

I agree with you BUT JT seems to me is preparing the idea that he will be asked to waive the NMC if a good deal present itself.

Now will he ultimately say No, which he has every right to, but will he? As he understands the band won't be back together and if its not him, it is another guy. Going to be a lot of convincing but ultimately I just think the players got too much pride to stay in a place where you are unwanted.

I know Kadri did blocked a trade but thats had more to do with proving he wont get suspended which in itself is pride.

 

[Trapper]

How much fear can they actually have...oh no I might get traded somewhere for a year while making millions and then next year I can pick and choose where I want to go and make tens of millions

That’s true if you don’t care about being a Leaf. They make their money either way, just not here where maybe things are less catered to and resort mentality.

 

[Gabriel426]

Simple. Marner for McDavid and McDavid plays C.

It actually makes a lot of sense for both sides. Obviously there will be add from the Leafs, most likely the 1st and TJ.
When you look at it, MM is a better defensive player and have vision as good as McD. I really don't think there will be a drop off in goals and points with MM feeding Drai. Having TJ in the back with Nurse is better than Ekholm bc Ekholm is much better on the Left than he is on the Right. Right away Oilers got their Top 3 dman sorted.

McD do come with a higher AVV but I think thats okay.

That’s true if you don’t care about being a Leaf. They make their money either way, just not here where maybe things are less catered to and resort mentality.

I agree and isn't it good that the players want to be a Leafs.

Having said that, I also think pride comes to play as they are going out bc they can't do it.

 

[Superstar]

I hope Dubas does not think that. For every LA KIng / FLA, there are many many "first-round-exist" #8 seeds. FLA gets lucky that their team gels at the right time. Just look at the FLAMES, it is completely opposite of FLA. Then, the Leafs' turnovers have nothing to do with keeping possession. It is due to Leafs' stars wanting to make those high-risk plays or holding on to the pucks too long. Watching Barry Trotz's teams (NYI or Predators) plays, those are keeping possessions.

Those NYI and Predator teams could forecheck, so they don't mind dump and chase...of course keeping possession is good, but keeping possession at all cost could be detrimental...I think keeping possession at all cost has been the Leafs style and belief under Dubas and Keefe, and Dubas has built his team that way...I remember after Babcock was fired, and Keefe was hired, there was so much glee about how they would play possession hockey, even Tyson Barrie was so happy...then you see issues like Dermott's spin-o-rama to keep possession in game 6 OT against the Habs...that's obviously a glaring example because the Habs scored and it was a playoff game...you don't hear or remember the turnovers when the other team doesn't score, but the Leafs playstyle is high risk when not executed properly, especially in the playoffs.

 

[Eye Test]

Those NYI and Predator teams could forecheck, so they don't mind dump and chase...of course keeping possession is good, but keeping possession at all cost could be detrimental...I think keeping possession at all cost has been the Leafs style and belief under Dubas and Keefe, and Dubas has built his team that way...I remember after Babcock was fired, and Keefe was hired, there was so much glee about how they would play possession hockey, even Tyson Barrie was so happy...then you see issues like Dermott's spin-o-rama to keep possession in game 6 OT against the Habs...that's obviously a glaring example because the Habs scored and it was a playoff game...you don't hear or remember the turnovers when the other team doesn't score, but the Leafs playstyle is high risk when not executed properly, especially in the playoffs.

1000%.

Also it’s hard to unwire your brain to play that way when you’ve just played traditional hockey style your whole life. Why are we passing back in our own end over and over when we are in danger. Ice that shit off the glass and regroup, for one example.

When you need to think of what to do instead of reacting off instinct you lose that split second advantage. Combine all the above with playoff intensity and that’s why you see kerfoot error last year drop pass, this year marner etc etc it just keeps happening.

Plus we don’t have a heavy forecheck so we don’t create unusual bounces like teams like flordia Carolina do. Teams are less likely to cough up the puck in danger zones when we just poke check instead of knowing a hit is coming from every single player to put a lick on you. That’s when teams cough the puck up like our D did against flordia

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Right now Dubas looks like a man defeated and the core players look like someone just took the prize ham off the table.

I mean he has all the right to feel defeated because of how things have played out. It must also have become clear that the faith he put in the players wasn't reciprocated so changes and hard decisions must be made.

The presser should start with Dubas and Shanny at the podium. Then Spezza's entrance music plays, he comes out and immediately gives Shanny a stunner, piledrives Dubas.

This is followed by each player on the roster being brought out one by one and Vintage puts them put into a figure 4 leg lock for 5 mins. The presser ands after he crushes 2 cases of Bud Light

Fin

if only i had the skills in photoshop and animations...i would make this happen.

 

[LeafEgo]

I disagree, I got the sense that he’s staying.

I suspect the 'only leafs' tag is downside protection on their being no other interest, but now that his public position has been shared, this year's latest mind bend is we're dealing with a Dubas that has one foot out the door for a mental health break.

I'm not saying your wrong, I guess I'm just generally curious as to how crazy things can actually get here.

 

[Squiffy]

I suspect the 'only leafs' tag is downside protection on their being no other interest, but now that his public position has been shared, this year's latest mind bend is we're dealing with a Dubas that has one foot out the door for a mental health break.

I'm not saying your wrong, I guess I'm just generally curious as to how crazy things can actually get here.

“Here” Toronto Leaf land, or “here” HF Leaf Land?

Toronto Leaf Land is my guess about to settle down with a Dubas contract, right or wrong. If not, full manic.

“Here”, HF Leaf Land, this here is a fully unhinged thread in general, and peanuts compared to the one that happens after a Shannahan presser.

 

[Egghead1999]

Those NYI and Predator teams could forecheck, so they don't mind dump and chase...of course keeping possession is good, but keeping possession at all cost could be detrimental...I think keeping possession at all cost has been the Leafs style and belief under Dubas and Keefe, and Dubas has built his team that way...I remember after Babcock was fired, and Keefe was hired, there was so much glee about how they would play possession hockey, even Tyson Barrie was so happy...then you see issues like Dermott's spin-o-rama to keep possession in game 6 OT against the Habs...that's obviously a glaring example because the Habs scored and it was a playoff game...you don't hear or remember the turnovers when the other team doesn't score, but the Leafs playstyle is high risk when not executed properly, especially in the playoffs.

I remember those.
I also remember Bab wanted them to play possession hockey too but the style was close to what NYI was doing (moving your position to support the puck carrier, passing the puck ....etc ). Then, he was let go. Leafs' puck possession turned into what you illustrated. They lost the puck because the carrier held it too long. Anyway, Leafs are doomed unless they find a new coach.

 

[Egghead1999]

1000%.

Also it’s hard to unwire your brain to play that way when you’ve just played traditional hockey style your whole life. Why are we passing back in our own end over and over when we are in danger. Ice that shit off the glass and regroup, for one example.

When you need to think of what to do instead of reacting off instinct you lose that split second advantage. Combine all the above with playoff intensity and that’s why you see kerfoot error last year drop pass, this year marner etc etc it just keeps happening.

Plus we don’t have a heavy forecheck so we don’t create unusual bounces like teams like flordia Carolina do. Teams are less likely to cough up the puck in danger zones when we just poke check instead of knowing a hit is coming from every single player to put a lick on you. That’s when teams cough the puck up like our D did against flordia

Bab made them do that, and the forwards needed to come back to the zone to support the D and regroup. After he was gone, forwards did not bother to come back .

Leafs seem unprepared for the FLA forecheck and neutral zone system. How many times did we see Leafs' wingers getting smashed by an FLA forechecker at the Leafs' blueline when he received the pass from a D?

 

[Rude Dog]

If you can’t handle the heat get the f**k out of the kitchen………

Well thats kind of what he is deciding right now

 

[notDatsyuk]

The change will be swift. We saw it before with Burke. He had probably and even more annoying and vocal fan club. He was defended more than I've literally ever seen any human being defended. There was a poll here 2 weeks before he was fired that had 80% supporting a Burke extension.

When he was fired, 90% of the Burke Fan Club immediately jumped ship, pretended they were happy he was fired, and acted as though they never defended him in the first place.

9% of the Buke Fan Club maintained the ruse and claimed it was a mistake to fire him. That only lasted a week or two though. They pretty quickly transitioned into pretending/lying that they always hated Burke.

And then there was the 1%. This was a very special group. They maintained forever that Burke was good for the leafs and it was a mistake to fire him. A LOT of entertainment value was given by these individuals.

Phew! I missed both!

Never a fan of Burke, especially after he traded for Phaneuf and Kessel.

Never a fan of Dubas, especially after he signed Tavares.

 

[Bomber0104]

The change will be swift. We saw it before with Burke. He had probably and even more annoying and vocal fan club. He was defended more than I've literally ever seen any human being defended. There was a poll here 2 weeks before he was fired that had 80% supporting a Burke extension.

When he was fired, 90% of the Burke Fan Club immediately jumped ship, pretended they were happy he was fired, and acted as though they never defended him in the first place.

9% of the Buke Fan Club maintained the ruse and claimed it was a mistake to fire him. That only lasted a week or two though. They pretty quickly transitioned into pretending/lying that they always hated Burke.

And then there was the 1%. This was a very special group. They maintained forever that Burke was good for the leafs and it was a mistake to fire him. A LOT of entertainment value was given by these individuals.

The same will happen with Dubas. 90% of the Dubas Defenders will turn on him right away. 9% will take some time to lie/pretend they never supported him. And there is 1% of the Dubas Defenders that I'm almost certain work for Dubas in some capacity. They will change their accounts and move to whatever board Dubas signs with.

Those were the days

What was funny about the 1% Burke diehards was when they all got incrementally banned from this site and had to start their own little island of misfit toys Leafs forum. I think there's still 4 or 5 of them left there.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Woah someone with actual accountability about his play

Give him some slack - he hasn't been here very long.

 

[notDatsyuk]

No one will ever convince me that Tavares isn't a goddamn cyborg.

Captain needs to come in noticeably lighter next year, there's no way he can come in at 215lbs and be effective.

If he was a cyborg he wouldn't be rusting out so fast.....

 

[Squiffy]

Phew! I missed both!

Never a fan of Burke, especially after he traded for Phaneuf and Kessel.

Never a fan of Dubas, especially after he signed Tavares.

The entire post is predicated on some notion that the goal is to win HF Leaf Board. It’s not. People have opinions, we post them for discussion, we’re just chatting here. It’s legit. The “gotcha” mentality is not what it should be about, to me.

There’s not a single person in the world that has won in Leaf Land in 56 years and counting. Internet board wins doesn’t change it, it’s shallow. Who cares. Go Leafs Go.

 

[Squiffy]

Those were the days

What was funny about the 1% Burke diehards was when they all get incrementally banned from this site and had to start their own little island of misfit toys Leafs forum. I think there's still 4 or 5 of them left.

You’re way off the timeline, that was way before Burke getting fired. Hell it might have been before he was hired.

 

[Bomber0104]

You’re way off the timeline, that was way before Burke getting fired. Hell it might have been before he was hired.

You're probably thinking of a different one than me. The one I'm talking about barely exists anymore.

 

[Squiffy]

You're probably thinking of a different one than me. The one I'm talking about barely exists anymore.

Fair enough. Only familiar with one break off board, could be more.

 

[capfit9]

The soft balls the media was throwing is f***ing embarrassing. Bunch of cowards.

 

[francis246]

The soft balls the media was throwing is f***ing embarrassing. Bunch of cowards.

I thought the media asked the right questions for once?

They straight up ask JT if he would waive his NMC lmao. They asked Dubas if he would be open to moving any of the core four, if you watch the press conference he almost straight up said I’m open to trading them and then remembered he can’t be that blunt LOL.