End of Season Pressers (Monday May 15)

[Gallagbi]

Hmm maybe everything on the table is the magic words he had to say to save his job.

Doesnt sound like he needs to save his job as a pending UFA with interest in various cities.

 

[sxvnert]

So did anyone take any ownership for this mess or their own individual play or just the usual deflections?

Dubas gave his usual token but that was it. Everyone covered for each other.

 

[Gallagbi]

So did anyone take any ownership for this mess or their own individual play or just the usual deflections?

Sorry, nobody broke down in tears claiming its all their fault

 

[hamzarocks]

Kyle Dubas has benefitted from nepotism to build his career. Fact.

Kyle Dubas has been rewarded for failing, year after year. Fact.

Kyle Dubas has only proven one thing: that he can assemble a roster that loses and hire a coach to preside over that losing. Fact.

Now people want to keep Kyle Dubas because... he's learned from his mistakes? The mistakes that ate years out of a fragile contention window? Better GMs can learn from their mistakes, faster and more efficiently. If you don't believe me, take a look at the names of GMs on the Stanley Cup, none of them are Kyle Dubas.

Who is dubas related to?

Shanahan, Larry T... the Rogers CEO?

He had a strong reputation based on being young, having a different approach to management, having some succsess in the OHL and then AHL

He relized over the last 1.5 years that his philosohy wasnt going to work without tinkering and once he made some adjustments the team won a round and should have won another if the core didnt choke

Its fair if hes fired as 5 years and 1 round is pitiful but hes built a solid team and overall is a progressing GM.

He has been to emotionally influenced in the past

Sounds like hes done with promises to the big 4 and hopefully keefe.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Dude he's a f***ing corporate suit at the end of the day. Business in hockey moves fast, people come and go out of management at a rapid pace.

What are you seriously on about?

She's Mrs. Dubas.

 

[TorMapleJays]

He's also the one campaigning the hardest for Dubas being the president along with the SDPN who he works with

That’s his connection just like Nonis and Dreger.

 

[Daisy Jane]

I would like to keep Nylander (produces in the playoffs, fastest of the bunch, cheapest of the bunch) and you aren’t trading Matthews. JT isn’t getting you the impact return Florida got, or Dubas alluded to, so that really leaves one player.

well until next year anyway

 

[rocketman588]

That’s his connection just like Nonis and Dreger.

Mirtle also

 

[Antropovsky]

Dubas - "Paul, Mitch, Willy... Don't expect to get any sleep until August"

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Same way any high pressure job is hard on a family I'd think. Long hours, stressed out, away a lot. That drips in to family life.

 

[PromisedLand]

This nonsense about how hard it was on his family this past year? Wonder what he was trying to achieve there. Are the fans really supposed to empathize with a multi-millionaire not getting a guaranteed multi-million extension heading into his fifth year with no playoff success? He put himself in that position.

And if that was about how hard it is to be a GM in toronto well I mean we tell players to suck it up. Being part of hockey in toronto comes with pros and cons. He can go be a GM in Arizona and make much less if he wants.

decisions have consequences man. his decisions put the team in this position.

The opposite could have also happened. If he had made reasonable and competent decisions instead of decisions based on hubris this team would have made deep runs, he would have had an extension already and there wouldn't be any family issues.

Just to quote uncle Ben: With great power, comes great responsibility.

When more is given to you, more is expected of you. And if you don't deliver there are consequences. And if you deliver there are rewards.

Alot of Dubas, Shanahan, Keefe's past press conferences has rubbed a lot of the fans in the wrong way. And then add to that the attitude of the players in the past pressers its added fuel to the fire.

So....

The bill of their decisions/actions has come due

 

[TorMapleJays]

You think GMs are reading HFBoards???? Lmaooooooo

Yes.

Foolish not to.

 

[Superstar]

Thanks, I appreciate the link. I listened to it all it reaffirms my opinion of him which has always been that he's a sharp cookie. If it was up to me, I'd want him to stay on but only if he's extremely motivated to make big changes. I know he said he's open to it, but how open is the question. But everything else, I like what he said.

Yeah, that's as good a guess as any. Having listened to it now, that's what it sounds like, just the standard stuff that comes with the job. And being the GM in Toronto is tougher than most. Maybe his family is tired of it and would rather go some place else, we'll see I guess.

Yes, he's a sharp cookie, but it also showed that he's a rookie learning on the job and had wasted prime years of the core. Dubas has been building super-soft teams until recently because he thought only skill should carry the day in the playoffs, and has been proven wrong time and time again. Many fans here have posted many, many times how soft those teams were, but he stuck to his experiments because he thought he knew better...well, he's learning now, but might be too little, too late for him.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Yes, he's a sharp cookie, but it also showed that he's a rookie learning on the job and had wasted prime years of the core. Dubas has been building super-soft teams until recently because he thought only skill should carry the day in the playoffs, and has been proven wrong time and time again. Many fans here have posted many, many times how soft those teams were, but he stuck to his experiments because he thought he knew better...well, he's learning now, but might be too little, too late for him.

I don't buy into that soft team narrative as much as some other people - the first trade was to bring in Muzzin, I'm pretty sure the result was that the was less soft than it was before the trade.

 

[PromisedLand]

Kyle Dubas has benefitted from nepotism to build his career. Fact.

Kyle Dubas has been rewarded for failing, year after year. Fact.

Kyle Dubas has only proven one thing: that he can assemble a roster that loses and hire a coach to preside over that losing. Fact.

Now people want to keep Kyle Dubas because... he's learned from his mistakes? The mistakes that ate years out of a fragile contention window? Better GMs can learn from their mistakes, faster and more efficiently. If you don't believe me, take a look at the names of GMs on the Stanley Cup, none of them are Kyle Dubas.

People gotta realize that the window for contention in a salary cap era is small. We gotta maximize that. I don't think we did that under dubas. On the contrary, I'd argue that we did the opposite

 

[Superstar]

Why not? He still is in charge and said he wants to stay here so he'd answer any question in the sense that he's coming back.

I don't think he has an offer that he's mulling over. I think he's hoping to get an offer in the coming days but even that doesn't mean he stays if he's insulted by said offer.

He's pretty confident with what he needs to do, which doesn't sound like someone on his way out without a contract extension.

I don' t see why he would be insulted by a new offer...any offer for Dubas would have gone through Shanahan and I don't see Dubas being lowballed.

 

[Trapper]

well until next year anyway

I still think he comes in below the other 3.
We will see for sure.

 

[BallardEra]

He's pretty confident with what he needs to do, which doesn't sound like someone on his way out without a contract extension.

I don' t see why he would be insulted by a new offer...any offer for Dubas would have gone through Shanahan and I don't see Dubas being lowballed.

Time will tell. He's had a lot of time to think about what he has to do to get another contract.

 

[Superstar]

I don't buy into that soft team narrative as much as some other people - the first trade was to bring in Muzzin, I'm pretty sure the result was that the was less soft than it was before the trade.

Jake Muzzin was a former Soo Greyhound...seems like Dubas is familiar with him...I think Dubas brought him in mainly for his championship breed and that the team needed better defense. He experimented with Petan, traded Marchment for Malgin, and also kept Andreas Johnsson much longer than he should have...he loved his small skilled forwards.

 

[PromisedLand]

Lol how much do you think GM's of the Toronto Maple Leaf's make? Welcome to reality. I have zero sympathy for him and his millions and his complete lack of success.

His naked grasp at the 'family struggled this year' straw is embarassing.

Why we got the Kyle Dubas and Maple Leafs contract stalemate all wrong

Many of us could only speculate last fall that Dubas needed to get out of the first round before he could get an extension. We may’ve had that wrong.

www.thestar.com

I don't know how "authentic" this link is but it gives some idea about Dubas' net wroth and salary

Kyle Dubas Net Worth 2022, Age, Wife, Children, Height, Family, Parents, Salary - Apumone

Read the complete write-up of Kyle Dubas net worth, age, husband, children, height, family, parents, salary, contract, Toronto Maple leafs as well as

www.apumone.com

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

The good news, if Dubas returns he sounds like he isn’t standing pat necessarily, which is my pre-requisite for a return. No doubling down, running it back, he needs to shake it up and if he’s had this realization, I’m fine with him staying.

Problem is we are limited on 3 or 4 teams that Dubas tends to deals with. How much would CBJ or Chicago pay for a Marner? That is the issue we have to take into account. For whatever reason...he only deals in small circles...it's either ex-Soo players or 4 NHL teams for the most part that he does business with. That part should be worrisome to us.

 

[Menzinger]

I don't know how "authentic" this link is but it gives some idea about Dubas' net wroth and salary

Kyle Dubas Net Worth 2022, Age, Wife, Children, Height, Family, Parents, Salary - Apumone

Read the complete write-up of Kyle Dubas net worth, age, husband, children, height, family, parents, salary, contract, Toronto Maple leafs as well as

www.apumone.com

Those public net worth sites are usually horrendously inaccurate

 

[PromisedLand]

Condition on Dubas returning:

New coach
One player from the core has to be traded.
Sort out goalie situation for once.
Defence needs work.
Bring in sand paper young guys willing to put it on the line.

I'd like to spin it a bit. basically get some sand paper guys with skill who actually go out there and do it instead of running their mouth only

ex:

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

he kept playing Holl, Gio

put up the kerfoot-tavares-nylander line; the line that has absolutely sucked ass the entire regular season; kept playing matthews-marner together eventhought they didn't generate much offense. kept playing ROR on the third line, kept giving tavares mins eventhough he was struggling

i mean wtf... a competent coach should adjust

and don't even get me started on how he couldn't use the last change to his advantage

Shitty coaches do better on the road because the matchup game is out of their hands. Keefe did well on the road...

 

[PromisedLand]

The fact that Shanny, who was the prototype playoff player, allowed this team to gather up a bunch of emotionless players is negligent.

the biggest WTF thing that I still cannot wrap my head around. The kind of player Shanny himself was allowed this team to play a certain way without results btw is the most confusing thing for me

Those public net worth sites are usually horrendously inaccurate

Is there a public record of Dubas' annual salary/contract anywhere? I can't find any

He's gotta be paid at least a million / year if not more