End of Season Pressers (Monday May 15)

[HofT]

It felt like Dubas was basically putting it out there it was super hard for his family to go into the last year of his deal without a contract extension.

Bingo

 

[Kaladin]

This nonsense about how hard it was on his family this past year? Wonder what he was trying to achieve there. Are the fans really supposed to empathize with a multi-millionaire not getting a guaranteed multi-million extension heading into his fifth year with no playoff success? He put himself in that position.

And if that was about how hard it is to be a GM in toronto well I mean we tell players to suck it up. Being part of hockey in toronto comes with pros and cons. He can go be a GM in Arizona and make much less if he wants.

 

[PromisedLand]

Dubas will be back if he wants to be. Not necessarily on merit, but because he has to be.

It's unrealistic to bring in a new GM and expect them to make sweeping changes right off the bat. They'll want to evaluate the core, coaching staff, etc, and that will take at least a season.

i think the way dubas structured the contracts matthews/marner nmcs kicking in at the same time his contract is up was interesting (same with Nylander's limited ntc) kicking in at the same time.

 

[rocketman588]

Last year Shanahan, Dubas and Keefe came out in lockstep (virtually holding hands) with the Trio telling everyone that they were all coming back and doubled down on their belief in the dream team.

This year Shanny the main decision maker on management future was absent and unavailable for comment even, and Kyle talking about how taxing the job personally is based his inability to assemble a winning team.

So things are certainly a lot different then last year, and more questions then answers.

My pure speculation would be that Shanny when he stands in front of the board might have to present them with options. Option A - Keep Dubas and move forward or Option B; Offer another GM option for consideration.. Simply walking away from Dubas without another or better option and leave a big hole in management is not a logical position for the organization to put themselves in. Dubas might simply be back not on performance but not having a better option at present and NO GM is worse.

However we were told that this would be a "prove it year" for Dubas and Keefe and they would need to earn their extensions. Instead being out after just 3 playoff wins and this year delivering a measly 5 playoff wins is up for debate if they "earned it".

I'll say what I have said before

You don't extend him solely because he negotiated contracts so poorly that it left 30 days between now and when his stupidly negotiated trade protection occured.

Literally rewarding a complete failure at that point

 

[PromisedLand]

Again, sick f***s.

Cannot even believe what I'm reading here. This is sad and f***ing evil.

man.. i don't know what to tell you.

i really hope you are never involved in any corporate backstabbing/politics I don't know how you'd cope with it.

The world is not a disney movie.

 

[The Masters]

Pretty sad if people are harrasing his family cuz of the Leafs. Is that the case or are we going down that road because of past player's families?
I got the sense it could be health related within the family

 

[rocketman588]

This nonsense about how hard it was on his family this past year? Wonder what he was trying to achieve there. Are the fans really supposed to empathize with a multi-millionaire not getting a guaranteed multi-million extension heading into his fifth year with no playoff success? He put himself in that position.

And if that was about how hard it is to be a GM in toronto well I mean we tell players to suck it up. Being part of hockey in toronto comes with pros and cons. He can go be a GM in Arizona and make much less if he wants.

The media especially towards him has been soft as well.

Unless his family is literally fighting with people on here he's either not cut out for a GM spot in any place that cares about hockey or he's just bullshiting for sympathy.

Yeah dude there's pressure to win sorry that's why this isn't NHL 23

 

[PromisedLand]

That's something I don't understand with all of these posters that want to keep Dubas. I want Kyle but he has has to do X, Y and Z.

Well I want Keira Knightly. But she has to trade away all our shit players for good ones, win the Cup every year, draft the best players from each draft and make the tickets $10.

Dibs. I saw her first

 

[Leaf Rocket]

I just said I don’t mind him returning, so this isn’t anti Dubas obviously, but I found the family card a bit much on one level. It was so hard not having a contract this year? Seemed a a bit self serving, can’t every player and coach say the same thing? Anyways.

Work-life balance is a thing and I didn't find anything wrong with that comment tbh. If I was to make a decision, which has a lot of implication ofc I would discuss it with my Fiance. I am assuming it was taxing as well.

 

[Nooodles]

Pretty sad if people are harrasing his family cuz of the Leafs. Is that the case or are we going down that road because of past player's families?
I got the sense it could be health related within the family

I remember there was a guy on twitter or some other social media going after his grandma earlier in the season

 

[PromisedLand]

Kyper thinks they are coming back with the mandate to trade one of the core 4. Thinks it should be Marner who will give you the best return.

I think thats a win-win

Marner can go to a place where there is less pressure and he may thrive there

We (hopefully)
- get decent haul
- cap space
- we can convert that decent haul into something meaningful a top 6 player that has some nasty in his game; or couple top 6 players to have "scoring" by committee. Then when Tavares is off the cap we can add more.

 

[rocketman588]

Pretty sad if people are harrasing his family cuz of the Leafs. Is that the case or are we going down that road because of past player's families?
I got the sense it could be health related within the family

This is the town where someone helped Patrick Peterson find his place during a -40 degree snowstorm

Someone I know saw Amir Johnson at the airport and went up to him and he seemed shocked people recognized him

Unless you're looking for trouble you're not going to get harassed especially with the price if real estate here.

If they're getting stressed about HF boards or reading hate on Twitter that's on them unfortunately

 

[Stephen]

That was my thinking as well.

However, he also went into depth about some of his potential plans, such as the coming marlies, trading a member of the core 4, etc.

So I'm not sure, feels almost 50/50%.

I hope he's back. Loved what he said, especially about how everything is on the table.

Hmm maybe everything on the table is the magic words he had to say to save his job.

 

[AllDay28]

This nonsense about how hard it was on his family this past year? Wonder what he was trying to achieve there. Are the fans really supposed to empathize with a multi-millionaire not getting a guaranteed multi-million extension heading into his fifth year with no playoff success? He put himself in that position.

And if that was about how hard it is to be a GM in toronto well I mean we tell players to suck it up. Being part of hockey in toronto comes with pros and cons. He can go be a GM in Arizona and make much less if he wants.

You got info on what his contract looks like? Damn, post it here

This is the town where someone helped Patrick Peterson find his place during a -40 degree snowstorm

Someone I know saw Amir Johnson at the airport and went up to him and he seemed shocked people recognized him

Unless you're looking for trouble you're not going to get harassed especially with the price if real estate here.

If they're getting stressed about HF boards or reading hate on Twitter that's on them unfortunately

You think GMs are reading HFBoards???? Lmaooooooo

 

[PromisedLand]

Sounds like he wants Shannys job lol.

Doesnt have to do the nitty gritty, day to day shit but can still be involved and have final say in all the decisions. Maybe allows him to stay in Toronto more with his family.

Aka the Masai Ujiri and Bobby Webster set up.

I would seriously LMAO if this happened. Shanahan gamed by his own prodigy

 

[sunstersun]

Bruh, how lazy are you that at age 40 you wanna be a President to skip on the day to day stuff?

 

[rocketman588]

You think GMs are reading HFBoards???? Lmaooooooo

You obviously did not read that post

 

[PromisedLand]

To be honest, I'm not overly impressed with Kyle seeing a change needs to be made. We could've hired 50 people from these boards that knew this 3 years ago.

3 years absolutely wasted. He seems like a really good guy. Always has done. He isn't my idea of a great roster builder. His decision making is always too late.

But he'll get extended. We'll trade Nylander, which is a mistake and we'll move ahead with the big 3 x11 mil players. Even though we cannot carry 3 X 11 mil players.

woh woh woh

PromisedLand is not 50 people bro

 

[rocketman588]

Bruh, how lazy are you that at age 40 you wanna be a President to skip on the day to day stuff?

Considering he's been handed every hockey job in his life sure I can see it I guess.

But yeah the promote him to president rumor is insane

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Prediction:

Shanahan will be gone. Dubas to President, Wickenheiser to GM. Spots below them will shuffle around.

Wickenhiser as GM? no thanks. she isn't even close to qualified, I don't care that she played for team Canada that doesn't mean she's qualified.

 

[PromisedLand]

Same way any high pressure job is hard on a family I'd think. Long hours, stressed out, away a lot. That drips in to family life.

One of my high school buds went into investment banking.

crazy hours, jsut had one day off, which he would spend in strip clubs (doing business don't ask me thats what he told me) basically still working.

he put in solid 5 to 10 years, made good money and is now chillaxing with a 9 to 5 job no mortgage, enough saved. But he worked his ass off like crazy. he burned out but he had an exit strategy

 

[thusk]

The timing of production versus what is being quoted is very different. The timing of the goals was way different and would've been great if they brought it when it matters the most.

I mentioned it in around the league thread but Jason Tatum's performance in the NBA is a perfect example. Stunk it up at the beginning of the series but was back against the wall, time to step up, and he did, game 6 & overtook game 7. Different sport but similar to how Justin William would step up in NHL the last years. Being Clutch and needing to produce and thriving in those moments.

The timing..In what timing of nylander goal should be more important than matthews goal to came back game 4 or his goak gm 6 to score 1st goal of the game

Or marner game winning goal gm 4 vs florida or jt ot winning goal

He help to extend leafs life. He scored 2 extremely important goal, everybody is agree with it... but first 9 playoff where he was? Ite not when leafs was almost eliminated we need to see nylander finally doing something...

 

[eddieO]

Kyle Dubas has benefitted from nepotism to build his career. Fact.

Kyle Dubas has been rewarded for failing, year after year. Fact.

Kyle Dubas has only proven one thing: that he can assemble a roster that loses and hire a coach to preside over that losing. Fact.

Now people want to keep Kyle Dubas because... he's learned from his mistakes? The mistakes that ate years out of a fragile contention window? Better GMs can learn from their mistakes, faster and more efficiently. If you don't believe me, take a look at the names of GMs on the Stanley Cup, none of them are Kyle Dubas.

 

[ShaneFalco]

That was my thinking as well.

However, he also went into depth about some of his potential plans, such as the coming marlies, trading a member of the core 4, etc.

So I'm not sure, feels almost 50/50%.

I hope he's back. Loved what he said, especially about how everything is on the table.

Everything should have been on the table for a few years. Instead he doubles down on his vision and the core.
How many years have we heard from the players themselves that they're too easy to play against?!

 

[keonsbitterness]

I remember there was a guy on twitter or some other social media going after his grandma earlier in the season

Yeah, that dude was a total loser.