End of Season Pressers (Monday May 15)

[justashadowof]

Is my memory failing me? I thought we've discussed at length that Dubas made a verbal promise to the 3 young stars that they would remain Leafs as long as he was in charge.

 

[Rude Dog]

Really strange that Dubas can't even say he wants to be here because of how hard this year was on his family. No idea what they went through but it seems like it got to him

Check out this site for starters. I can only imagine how many times him and his family have been chirped by Leaf fans and Leaf haters over the years. Of course, his bank account would soften the blow. Not sure what he means by "hard on the family", but if he is anything like me, I could easily take the hits, but involve my family and it would be a much different story.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Seems like boomers dont really understand what caring for family means.
It's really that simple. Yet they dont understand somehow.

I remember when I was young and thought I knew everything. Then I hit a point where I realized just how little I actually know in reality.

You'll get there someday.

 

[Nooodles]

You're so special!

Please wear a helmet when your out cycling.

K boomer. Try not to throw away plastic, that shit kills the planet.

 

[IPS]

Check out this site for starters. I can only imagine how many times him and his family have been chirped by Leaf fans and Leaf haters over the years. Of course, his bank account would soften the blow. If he is like me, I could easily take the hits, but involve my family and it would be a much different story.

I don't recall anyone chirping Dubas' family. If they did that's f***ing low.

 

[horner]

Adding Knies, lol.

Switching the D around.
Moving Kerfoot up and down the line up, which resulted in OT winner.

Our defensive zone coverage was awful has been for yrs
What breakout
Our breakout giveaway giveaway
One of our main downfalls

TB pressured us hard and we couldn't handle same with Florida

If it's the players then that is on dubas get rid of the players that won't listen .
Playing holl at the start of the game wow we got hemmed in everytime.

 

[Stephen]

That sounds like he’s leaving.

 

[On-the-Fly]

He believed in the core group and Keefe. As long as that faith was intact the path forward was difficult in terms of day to day execution, but relatively risk free from a strategic/legacy sense. The group WILL come through, they WILL win, my faith WILL be vindicated.

Now, that faith being shaken is it a hit all by itself, but it prevents two more hurdles. The easy one to identify is potentially having to fire Keefe. Speaks for itself. But the unspoken one is that he now knows there's a good chance that he's going to join the pantheon of NHL (and Leaf) GM's that have traded a great player "too soon" as they go on to do great things on other teams. The decision, the return, all of it picked over for decades. He was supposed to be the one with the clear sighted vision and commitment that rode out the turbulence of Toronto and emerged on the other side. Now the hard stuff begins... if he stays.

Oh mama.
My man, that ain't no paint by numbers pic you just painted.
And I don't feel you used a full pallet.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Is my memory failing me? I thought we've discussed at length that Dubas made a verbal promise to the 3 young stars that they would remain Leafs as long as he was in charge.

My memory says he only promised that to Nylander though he's said other things along the way that implied he didn't want to ever trade the others either. Sounds like he's changed his tune now, we'll see.

K boomer. Try not to throw away plastic, that shit kills the planet.

Again with the boomer nonsense. Sounds like you might be the angriest, most irrational poster here right now. Do try to calm down, stress kills too.

 

[GoonieFace]

That sounds like he’s leaving.

I doubt it, just theatrics at this point

 

[TonsofPuppies]

100% agree. With the TDL moves, he built a team that was good enough to win the Cup this year, especially after BOS, NYR, COL, etc...lost in the first round. The Core 4 went AWOL when it mattered, again.

I'm no Dubas fanboy, but this is on the players and the coach. Two goals in seven straight playoff games with $40 million spent on four forwards? Have some f***ing accountability.

I just can't think of anyone who would be an upgrade on Dubas right now.

This is a line that I see repeatedly constantly that I just cannot wrap my head around. The players didn't sign themselves. It's not like this year's playoffs were different than all the rest. That $40M core, (minus Nylander, for the most part) have always struggled to produce in the playoffs, particularly in the biggest games (Game 7, etc.). This has been a problem for literally years and years. And yet, Dubas is the one who stuck with said players, over and over and over.

It is entirely on him and him alone. That's how it works when you're the captain of the ship. If the people you employ and manage have shown to be incapable of accomplishing the job that you've hired them to do and you continue to allow them to work, their failures are on your hands. How people don't get this is completely beyond me. It's the same reason why Shanahan should also get the axe, since he's allowed Dubas to continue to make the same mistake over and over and over.

 

[3blizzard4]

All the players said they want to be back.

Dubas didnt say he wants to be back.

 

[rocketman588]

100% agree. With the TDL moves, he built a team that was good enough to win the Cup this year, especially after BOS, NYR, COL, etc...lost in the first round. The Core 4 went AWOL when it mattered, again.

I'm no Dubas fanboy, but this is on the players and the coach. Two goals in seven straight playoff games with $40 million spent on four forwards? Have some f***ing accountability.

I just can't think of anyone who would be an upgrade on Dubas right now.

He hired the coach and brought in or resigned every player then continuously doubled down on them

The person that needs accountability is Dubas

 

[Gabriel426]

McCabe and Schenn maybe, but the D he has now is way too slow and unskilled. Even TJ Brodie is regressing hard. Has he even hit the net once this playoffs or only shin pads?

Well, nobody said Dubas won’t trade TJ.

Personally, I would trade TJ, signs Orlov via UFA, play Lilly and Timmons more and use Gio as the 7th Dman, assuming we resign Schenn.

Both Lilly and Timmons can skate and got offensive game, they need games to get more Defensive exp. And having McCabe and Orlov as their partner will help that.

There is zero evidence that the bolded were great additions, McCabe had some nice open ice hits but he was caught out of position (roving in the O zone) often in the 2nd round. Lafferty played like a replacement level player (no different than ZAR).

McCabe is pretty solid, TJ was not though.
Lafferty plays hard and drive to the net. He is much better than any 4th liners we had the past few years not name Kampf and Spezza.

 

[thewave]

Is my memory failing me? I thought we've discussed at length that Dubas made a verbal promise to the 3 young stars that they would remain Leafs as long as he was in charge.

You would be correct.

 

[rocketman588]

Check out this site for starters. I can only imagine how many times him and his family have been chirped by Leaf fans and Leaf haters over the years. Of course, his bank account would soften the blow. Not sure what he means by "hard on the family", but if he is anything like me, I could easily take the hits, but involve my family and it would be a much different story.

He lives in a mega bougie neighborhood and spends most of his time at the facility unless his family is spending all their time on this message board he's not being harassed in his day to day life

People here act like the media is difficult it's nothing compared to most American cities that actually care about sports

 

[thewave]

All the players said they want to be back.

Dubas didnt say he wants to be back.

Because he probably knows he is done. Which he should be and that's fine. He can go leave and screw someone else cap up now. Maybe Hunter wants the job now. He did draft Woll

 

[PromisedLand]

Here's where I come in and over-analyze everything.

As far back as October we had Dubas on video freaking out. Remember in October "Jesus f***ING Christ. f*** ME!!!!" meme? In the playoffs we see him smashing a water bottle on the ground and another time where he's shouting at Tampa fans. There are numerous other examples I can't remember right now. He didn't show any of this behaviour years prior.

The stress clearly got to him and changed his personality a bit. Which in turn stressed out his family. I think putting so much faith in a group of 4 players and overpaying them so significantly created a situation where he mentally broke down as they endlessly disappointed him.

My guess is that Dubas wants an extension to try and finish what he started, but only if the price is right. If not, or he's not offered an extension, he'll take a season off to de-stress and chill out with his family.

thats why believe in yourself; love your family and everything else is straight up business nothing personal. As a GM the sooner he learns that the better it will be.

Its a results driven business and the 3 guys he has on the roster at 11 AAV have continued to not show up in elimination games. Marner specifically shits the bed so hard his mistakes end up in our net

 

[Gabriel426]

100% agree. With the TDL moves, he built a team that was good enough to win the Cup this year, especially after BOS, NYR, COL, etc...lost in the first round. The Core 4 went AWOL when it mattered, again.

I'm no Dubas fanboy, but this is on the players and the coach. Two goals in seven straight playoff games with $40 million spent on four forwards? Have some f***ing accountability.

I just can't think of anyone who would be an upgrade on Dubas right now.

I think if Dubas is willing to trade the core, say JT Miller for JT and if it works, that’s a great move and if it doesn’t, Dubas looks dumb but any GMs would look dumb if you trade a core piece for another core piece that didn’t pan out.

I just don’t think why kick Dubas out if he is willing to do what other GMs will do

 

[horner]

My thoughts are Shanny will bring Dubas back but force him to fire Shkeefe.

If you have to force someone to do something that everyone see. Doesn't that mean this person isn't the right man for the job ?

 

[Gabriel426]

That sounds like he’s leaving.

Sounded more like he has an offer in hand and wants to talk to his wife about it.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Check out this site for starters. I can only imagine how many times him and his family have been chirped by Leaf fans and Leaf haters over the years. Of course, his bank account would soften the blow. Not sure what he means by "hard on the family", but if he is anything like me, I could easily take the hits, but involve my family and it would be a much different story.

Pretty much and I know for a fact sometimes fans do get annoying, ala James Reimer.

Hell I ran into Gardiner and he was timid as if I was gonna start a convo and critique him I just hey it's gardiner hello and walked away

It's almost like they are people

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Honestly I'm fine with Dubas being back, if he cuts Keefe loose. If Keefe isn't fired by Dubas then you fire him and hire someone who will fire Keefe.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

My memory says he only promised that to Nylander though he's said other things along the way that implied he didn't want to ever trade the others either. Sounds like he's changed his tune now, we'll see.

Again with the boomer nonsense. Sounds like you might be the angriest, most irrational poster here right now. Do try to calm down, stress kills too.

That's the one thing I've always been worried about tbh, so I am curious to see.

 

[1specter]

That sounds like he’s leaving.

I don't know, if you hear the rest of it seems like he's still pretty invested. Especially since he basically says that if he's not here he's not going anywhere else.