GDT: End of Season Media Availability - Players + Coach

[ephmrl]

Sometimes I feel the same way you do. This gen of Canucks players are super unlikeable for the most part.

With Hronek I get the feeling he’s just a very shy dude and isn’t really much of a public speaker and no matter how much money you make social anxiety doesn’t discriminate. With Pettersson, it’s all ego. While I didn’t hate his answers during the season end interviews, his interviews throughout the season extremely pissed me off.

With Hronek, his teammates seem to love him so he's probably a likeable guy when he's not in front of a microphone. As long as he continues to play well, him not wanting to do interviews is a non-issue to me.

 

[JT Milker]

Ahh yes it is completely up to the player on if they play. It's why healthy scratches arent allowed... oh wait.

Do you think him waiting as long as he did to have surgery had anything to do with the fact that the canucks kept playing him as if he wasnt injured?

It’s not completely… ask Manny Malholtra

The player said it was their choice. ACL repair is an elective surgery that elite athletes can play without. You could healthy scratch your new UFA signing before they’ve played a game for refusing to get surgery I guess, would probably end in a grievance. Not sure what else to say at this point.

 

[Caboose]

Sure he should do that, but the team’s attitude was tis nothing but a minor injury so suck it up and play through it and allowed him to play through it for the last half of last season.

I don’t disagree with the idea that he needs new trainers but that doesn’t absolve the team being not helpful.

I can get with a take like this, I just don't want to see people taking the onus off of Petey. There is no way you can have Tocchet, Allvin, Rutherford AND Hughes, saying Petey needs to improve his off ice commitment without it being at least partially true.

However! We have seen with him in the past that he does not seem to do well with injuries, he had that season with a wrist issue that caused him to disappear for half a season and his ice time was cut to like 12-13 minutes some nights.

I really hope this isn't the case because our future is now almost entirely tied to his performance, but there is a worrying trend forming with him that when things get hard, he may not be able to push through and thrive like so many of his other salary equivalents. This does not bode well for the grind of a long cup run.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

It’s not completely… ask Manny Malholtra

Try telling a player who spent his life trying desperately to make the show, to shut down their season. It’s not easy, and look at how the Eichel-Buffalo situation fell apart.

But sure, some geniuses on a forum know better.

 

[4th line culture]

Try telling a player who spent his life trying desperately to make the show, to shut down their season. It’s not easy, and look at how the Eichel-Buffalo situation fell apart.

But sure, some geniuses on a forum know better.

good point at with the ilya situation he flourished with the team and their relationship is stronger than ever now

 

[Jay26]

he was on a 100pt+ pace before he was injured.

And he had infamously disappeared for a big stretch before that when things weren't going well too.

The issue with Pettersson isn't his abilities. He's an elite Datsyuk-like talent in ideal conditions. The issue is entirely he's not a competitor.

 

[rypper]

Sometimes I feel the same way you do. This gen of Canucks players are super unlikeable for the most part.

With Hronek I get the feeling he’s just a very shy dude and isn’t really much of a public speaker and no matter how much money you make social anxiety doesn’t discriminate. With Pettersson, it’s all ego. While I didn’t hate his answers during the season end interviews, his interviews throughout the season extremely pissed me off.

It's funny because I see it the other way.

At least with Pettersson we've seen him come out humbled and willing to let people in. (Yeah not very often but at least it's happened. ) like someone who is shy or anxious but knows they have to do something and builds up the guyt to do it. He speaks to the media, might not be great at it but he does it.

Hronek never speaks to the media and when he does, he's always an asshole.

 

[arttk]

And he had infamously disappeared for a big stretch before that when things weren't going well too.

The issue with Pettersson isn't his abilities. He's an elite Datsyuk-like talent in ideal conditions. The issue is entirely he's not a competitor.

He had not infamously disappeared for a big stretch earlier in his career.. he slumped coming back from a long term injury that sidelined him for like 6 months plus.. so prior to whatever is happening now, he has slumped once in his whole career with us. You don’t become infamous for something that happened once.

We don’t know what issues he has, I still argue that we somehow accept that players decline hard when they lose a step from aging but if a player loses a step while they are injured, everyone freaks the f*** out.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

I'm really confused by people who seem to take on media grievances.

Like the Tom Drances of the world get wah wah because Hronek and Pettersson don't do his job for him, and so we have fans out there who genuinely want to trade these guys because...they aren't a good quote?

I think in an ideal world, a player understands the eco-system he is a part of and is more appreciative, not of the media directly perhaps, but of the media as a conduit to the fans.

But there are two factors to consider:

1. Our media is dogshit. Almost none of them remotely understand the game (Some stuff by Cam Robinson, Harman Dayal, and Dmitri Filopovic whom I don't love everything about but he's definitely a student of the game, notwithstanding).

Since they don't have inside sources anymore, they just thrive on speculative drama.

I pay for the Athletic and a good 70% of the Canucks articles I could write with the level of 'insider info' that I have which is currently zero.

So if you understood that the media isn't going to really explore your craft on a deeper level with you, you haven't built human relationships with them because of rule shifts after covid, and you know that they thrive on speculation and gossip, would you then, as an ESL guy in his early to mid twenties be eager to go out on limbs for these dipshits?

If you say yes, please now picture doing it in Sweden or Czechia.

I know I wouldn't.

2. Hockey is a multi-national game. You're dealing, not only with a spectrum of different personality types (outgoing, introverted, confident, humble, etc) but also a variety of different cultural expressions of these types of people.

Like, a shy person in Shanghai is different than your average shy person in Oklahoma. But it feels like fans use pretty ethnocentric standards to draw conclusions about the players as human beings.

So Hronek and Petey are more prickly and short with media than you would like by your North American standards. It's not like we're hearing that they're abusive to other people, cruel, arrogant, dismissive of fans. No, they don't play our media's remedial games and so some of us wear the grievances of our media.

Now, with that said. There are things Petey has done and said that I haven't loved the body language, or the manner of expression.

But I think he's a guy who gets really hard on himself and then struggles to see the colour in life and it makes him sour.

He's a young guy, I think he'll figure it out and become the player he has been.

It's definitely worth a gamble I think. You're not going to find another elite top line center like him anywhere else. May as well water the plant we have. We've seen beautiful flowers in the past.

 

[nowhereman]

Labeling a player as someone "you can't win with" often gets thrown around too hastily, as seen with guys like Kessel, Eichel and even Ovechkin—all of whom were said to not train hard enough or had attitude issues. But they ended up getting the last laugh (or the last three, in Kessel's case). That said, I think Pettersson might actually fit into this category. His play over the last two years and his comments to the media do not inspire much confidence. If I was a teammate, I'm not sure I'd want to follow this guy into battle. The fact that his coach is coddling him like he's a rookie who is still learning the game and what it takes to be a professional, at almost 27 years old, is not a good look.

 

[Canucks LB]

Labeling a player as someone "you can't win with" often gets thrown around too hastily, as seen with guys like Kessel, Eichel and even Ovechkin—all of whom were said to not train hard enough or had attitude issues. But they ended up getting the last laugh (or the last three, in Kessel's case). That said, I think Pettersson might actually fit into this category. His play over the last two years and his comments to the media do not inspire much confidence. If I was a teammate, I'm not sure I'd want to follow this guy into battle. The fact that his coach is coddling him like he's a rookie who is still learning the game and what it takes to be a professional, at almost 27 years old, is not a good look.

Rick is a great communicator, petey is lucky we don’t have Torts running the show

 

[Canucks LB]

I'm really confused by people who seem to take on media grievances.

Like the Tom Drances of the world get wah wah because Hronek and Pettersson don't do his job for him, and so we have fans out there who genuinely want to trade these guys because...they aren't a good quote?

I think in an ideal world, a player understands the eco-system he is a part of and is more appreciative, not of the media directly perhaps, but of the media as a conduit to the fans.

But there are two factors to consider:

1. Our media is dogshit. Almost none of them remotely understand the game (Some stuff by Cam Robinson, Harman Dayal, and Dmitri Filopovic whom I don't love everything about but he's definitely a student of the game, notwithstanding).

Since they don't have inside sources anymore, they just thrive on speculative drama.

I pay for the Athletic and a good 70% of the Canucks articles I could write with the level of 'insider info' that I have which is currently zero.

So if you understood that the media isn't going to really explore your craft on a deeper level with you, you haven't built human relationships with them because of rule shifts after covid, and you know that they thrive on speculation and gossip, would you then, as an ESL guy in his early to mid twenties be eager to go out on limbs for these dipshits?

If you say yes, please now picture doing it in Sweden or Czechia.

I know I wouldn't.

2. Hockey is a multi-national game. You're dealing, not only with a spectrum of different personality types (outgoing, introverted, confident, humble, etc) but also a variety of different cultural expressions of these types of people.

Like, a shy person in Shanghai is different than your average shy person in Oklahoma. But it feels like fans use pretty ethnocentric standards to draw conclusions about the players as human beings.

So Hronek and Petey are more prickly and short with media than you would like by your North American standards. It's not like we're hearing that they're abusive to other people, cruel, arrogant, dismissive of fans. No, they don't play our media's remedial games and so some of us wear the grievances of our media.

Now, with that said. There are things Petey has done and said that I haven't loved the body language, or the manner of expression.

But I think he's a guy who gets really hard on himself and then struggles to see the colour in life and it makes him sour.

He's a young guy, I think he'll figure it out and become the player he has been.

It's definitely worth a gamble I think. You're not going to find another elite top line center like him anywhere else. May as well water the plant we have. We've seen beautiful flowers in the past.

Is it worth the gamble, sure, but absolutely nobody on earth right now is calling him elite top center. He’s had basically back to back terrible seasons, and if this is injury related, I’m not getting any sense that he’s getting much healthier based on the responses I keep hearing.

As for your media comments, I’m not gonna speak on all of them, but Drance is good, and a lot of of what he says makes a ton of sense, he thinks about things in the Long picture,.

For example, the JT Miller trade, everybody was saying at the time that it was a terrible trade, and it turned out to be one of the best.

The oel trade, he was one of the first people that said that we traded significant assets for basically a cap dumpdump, and people gave him so much shit for that, and he was right.

If he’s been wanting a proper rebuild for a long time because he understands that a rebuild is usually the best way to win a Stanley Cup, even though it’s not perfect, especially if you look at Buffalo or detroit.

The biggest problem is ownership, it always will be ownership, because they don’t have the long-term vision, and this is why it’s been almost 40 years and we still do not have a cup.

As for the Canucks, hating the media, it’s pretty obvious the Vancouver Canucks hate jeff pattersson and maybe dislike farhan, because they are one of the few people that ask somewhat hard questions.

Drance usually asks pretty neat questions, but I think the Canucks don’t mind him, because they’re usually articulated pretty well, also he worked for the NHL, and for a team.

Just my two cents on that

 

[Canucks LB]

If he doesn’t the team is cooked and may as well enter a full rebuild. This is an absolutely massive offseason for EP.

I don’t think we’re in a position that we need to fully rebuild until the Quinn Hughes season.

We absolutely have to take a shot one more time this season, and try to get Quinn to stay and extend by next.

If Quinn ultimately decides to go, you make a significant trade with him, and you do a full rebuild.

But this is also extremely unlikely because the ownership refuses to do a proper rebuild, no matter how significant the pressure is.

Nothing beat the pressure during that Jim Benning era, and I don’t think this would either

 

[Canucks LB]

The Canucks are not likely to trade Pettersson.

His 10 million signing bonus due on July 1 make him unlikely to be traded before July 1 and after the Canucks would probably keep him until the TDL hoping he plays better so his value increases and the 10 mil isn't a total waste.

They could use retention or add sweeteners but I don't think they can really afford to waste picks or prospects just to even up a trade. After July 1 Pettersson might waive his clause but at that point will Allvin make a deal that makes him look even more stupid?

Even if the Canucks do make a trade with a winning team's 2nd or 3rd center that player's point total might be the result of playing on a good team and not reflect what he can do on a bad team under high pressure under a magnifying glass. That player will be a mid aged, around 27/28 yrs old, so more of a short term player IF he can eve make a dent. The cost might set the team back as well.

The team will need more top six forwards than just centers.
IF EP40 doesn't make a come back.
IF Chytil gets damaged again.
IF Suter is signed he would become the #1 again. Definitely a tier 3 center.

Pettersson played crappy under Green, well under Bruce's style of coaching, the entire team had career years and a steady decline under Tocchet, a coaching change might make the biggest difference but they will still be needing more skill players than are available.

I don’t think trading ep40 makes a ton of sense either honestly.

Unless you can get some absolutely crazy value, even with his struggles, the odds of him bouncing back are better than finding anything remotely close, so you might as well just stick with him.

Worst case scenario, the relationship will go bad in a couple of seasons, he’ll waive his full Trade clause and go somewhere for a cap balance deal.

 

[Canucks LB]

Also, finally, I will say while listening to ep40’s interview, interviews are pretty frustrating with just the way he speaks and sometimes what he says, I don’t think we could read anything into it.

He just seems like a introvert, not comfortable doing interviews, and that’s completely fine, not everybody has to be amazing at doing them.

Also, I’m pretty sure it’s been a pretty gruelling season for him, definitely giving him the pass on this.

I will say this I absolutely do agree with the notion that if he was on a team with less media and less focus on Hockey, he would be much more happier, but that’s just my personal opinion, I don’t obviously know petey

 

[sting101]

I'm really confused by people who seem to take on media grievances.

Like the Tom Drances of the world get wah wah because Hronek and Pettersson don't do his job for him, and so we have fans out there who genuinely want to trade these guys because...they aren't a good quote?

I think in an ideal world, a player understands the eco-system he is a part of and is more appreciative, not of the media directly perhaps, but of the media as a conduit to the fans.

But there are two factors to consider:

1. Our media is dogshit. Almost none of them remotely understand the game (Some stuff by Cam Robinson, Harman Dayal, and Dmitri Filopovic whom I don't love everything about but he's definitely a student of the game, notwithstanding).

Since they don't have inside sources anymore, they just thrive on speculative drama.

I pay for the Athletic and a good 70% of the Canucks articles I could write with the level of 'insider info' that I have which is currently zero.

So if you understood that the media isn't going to really explore your craft on a deeper level with you, you haven't built human relationships with them because of rule shifts after covid, and you know that they thrive on speculation and gossip, would you then, as an ESL guy in his early to mid twenties be eager to go out on limbs for these dipshits?

If you say yes, please now picture doing it in Sweden or Czechia.

I know I wouldn't.

2. Hockey is a multi-national game. You're dealing, not only with a spectrum of different personality types (outgoing, introverted, confident, humble, etc) but also a variety of different cultural expressions of these types of people.

Like, a shy person in Shanghai is different than your average shy person in Oklahoma. But it feels like fans use pretty ethnocentric standards to draw conclusions about the players as human beings.

So Hronek and Petey are more prickly and short with media than you would like by your North American standards. It's not like we're hearing that they're abusive to other people, cruel, arrogant, dismissive of fans. No, they don't play our media's remedial games and so some of us wear the grievances of our media.

Now, with that said. There are things Petey has done and said that I haven't loved the body language, or the manner of expression.

But I think he's a guy who gets really hard on himself and then struggles to see the colour in life and it makes him sour.

He's a young guy, I think he'll figure it out and become the player he has been.

It's definitely worth a gamble I think. You're not going to find another elite top line center like him anywhere else. May as well water the plant we have. We've seen beautiful flowers in the past.

Excuses excuses excuses these are not 20yr olds

They make 150million dollars and are the 1st and 3rd highest paid Canucks with the 2 biggest total dollars committed until their mid 30s. They have been in NA for 7 and 9 yrs with these same media events yearly where the leaders had to answer tough questions and Sweden/Czechia is not Shanghai

They both fold under pressure just like they handle media. They don't give 2 shits about this city the fans (unless they kiss their asses) or winning a Cup. "Not gonna meet at the 75yd line" and the Miller/Horvat inability to get 40 motivated says it all. Loved the latest excuse "my parents gave me bad genetics". The same one's that drove you to practice so you could make 92 million? Cool

Somebody should have asked him directly what happened to the relationship that made it so bad you couldn't play with JT Miller anymore? We all know though.... it's because he wouldn't grow the F up and take his role and responsibility in cap allocation seriously enough to help the players that wanted to win here. He did his own thang with his boyz social media scooter frumpy beats travelling gamer BS and it drove Tocchet Miller Sedins Allvin and everyone with stake in the game that worked so hard crazy.

If he needs a ride to the airport i'm here for him. Glad you're a big fan. I can't wait till he's gone. I cant wait to have a leader that i would like to meet and support vs one who is just an employee of the Canucks

I seriously doubt any top line players will want to come here and play with 40 without a massive turnaround in his accountability and personality. At least management have given him another chance and the Coach has thrown it down too (if he comes back) so there is that to cling to for the fans of this guy like you.

My only hope for the guy is that Miller was such a toxic bully the last couple years that he just withdrew because of it and that he recovers mentally and physically and becomes a man and accountable.

I'm not stuck on defending the media here but it's part of the job to at least be accountable and be able to articulate that you understand your role in the organization what happened and how your personal accomplishments effect the teams not just be a dismissive asshole.

 

[Scumbag Frank]

Boyz Social Media™
Scooter
Frumpy Beats
Traveling Gamer
Gachimuchi Pants Wrestling

My name is Eliashhh Petterssshon and I am a big fan of these things

 

[VanJack]

In the last few years the Canucks have made big trades with the Islanders, the Rangers and eventually Pittsburgh. And none of those teams made the playoffs this year.

Supposedly the 'best trades' are the ones that help both teams. But what happens if the deals really don't help anybody?

The reality is that neither Horvat or Miller moved the needle much for the Rangers or Islanders; and I suppose the Canucks eventually got a few decent d-men out of the deals with Marcus Pettersson, Hronek and possibly Mancini.

Pittsburgh got the Rangers conditional first round pick via the Canucks; and a middling prospect in Fernstrom. But the return on that trade is probably years away.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Excuses excuses excuses these are not 20yr olds

They make 150million dollars and are the 1st and 3rd highest paid Canucks with the 2 biggest total dollars committed until their mid 30s. They have been in NA for 7 and 9 yrs with these same media events yearly where the leaders had to answer tough questions and Sweden/Czechia is not Shanghai

They both fold under pressure just like they handle media. They don't give 2 shits about this city the fans (unless they kiss their asses) or winning a Cup. "Not gonna meet at the 75yd line" and the Miller/Horvat inability to get 40 motivated says it all. Loved the latest excuse "my parents gave me bad genetics". The same one's that drove you to practice so you could make 92 million? Cool

Somebody should have asked him directly what happened to the relationship that made it so bad you couldn't play with JT Miller anymore? We all know though.... it's because he wouldn't grow the F up and take his role and responsibility in cap allocation seriously enough to help the players that wanted to win here. He did his own thang with his boyz social media scooter frumpy beats travelling gamer BS and it drove Tocchet Miller Sedins Allvin and everyone with stake in the game that worked so hard crazy.

If he needs a ride to the airport i'm here for him. Glad you're a big fan. I can't wait till he's gone. I cant wait to have a leader that i would like to meet and support vs one who is just an employee of the Canucks

I seriously doubt any top line players will want to come here and play with 40 without a massive turnaround in his accountability and personality. At least management have given him another chance and the Coach has thrown it down too (if he comes back) so there is that to cling to for the fans of this guy like you.

My only hope for the guy is that Miller was such a toxic bully the last couple years that he just withdrew because of it and that he recovers mentally and physically and becomes a man and accountable.

I'm not stuck on defending the media here but it's part of the job to at least be accountable and be able to articulate that you understand your role in the organization what happened and how your personal accomplishments effect the teams not just be a dismissive asshole.

The first bolded part is so reductive. Just because people make more money doesn't make them less human or immune to human problems. I don't know why it feels like people struggle so hard to understand this.

If you feel depressed, or lose your confidence, that feeling is just as real in a Maserati as it is in a Toyota.

The second paragraph is a bunch of speculation and really uncharitable takes. "My family gave me bad genetics" in terms of putting on muscle is obviously him being tongue in cheek. You are so blinded by hatred for this player that you genuinely believe he chose this end of season media session to be like, 'you know what mom and dad? I know you supported me endlessly and I now have 100 million dollars, and I know that I am an absolute apex level athlete, but also genuinely f*** you for the fact I don't have Todd Bertuzzi's muscle structure"? You also don't have any solid reason to believe that they ' don't care about this city or winning the cup' or whatever. It rhymes a lot with old xenophobic takes on euro players from the 90's.

You're still hung up on enabling the bully eh? It's Pettersson's fault that Miller played his way off of yet another team with his bad attitude and (I speculate) Oppositional Defiant Disorder?
Wow, this team must really have Pettersson's back over every other player if it was his terrible play and attitude that drove a very calm and rational Miller to act in a way that just about everyone else would, yet they suspended Miller for 10 games. You know in your heart of hearts how irrational this is.

You don't like the player, I do, that's fine.

Next you speculate that good players will actively avoid our team because of our top line center who has shown that he can be a top 10 player in this league. Yeah, that will definitely happen. That's why Stamkos and Marchessault signed with 75 point Gustav Nyquist in Nashville (note, these moves didn't work out and I predicted they wouldn't, but they did CHOOSE to sign there). Because players are as myopic as fans and will forgo a good situation and salary because they have an axe to grind with our top line center.

Dude, you've been one of my favorite posters on here for years. But something has happened since Miller got dealt that feels like it has strained your relationship with hockey analysis that isn't completely driven by vendetta whenever this player comes up.

There are definitely things to really not like about how Pettersson has shown up the last year and a half. But this stuff is speculative and much of it is baseless.

 

[theguardianII]

I don’t think trading ep40 makes a ton of sense either honestly.

Unless you can get some absolutely crazy value, even with his struggles, the odds of him bouncing back are better than finding anything remotely close, so you might as well just stick with him.

Worst case scenario, the relationship will go bad in a couple of seasons, he’ll waive his full Trade clause and go somewhere for a cap balance deal.

I have doubts about a come back. This decline has been steadily continuing on too long.

If my guess from 2/3 years ago is correct it is concussion related. He CAN recover from that but would need extensive time off, most of a season. D.Sedin and Naslund both were not the same for quite awhile after their bells were rung, DS came back but Nasy never really did.

Maybe a different coach, under Bruce he came out of his slump and had a career years, but under Green he started to decline and then with Tocchet after a few months.

He might agree to waive his NMC right after he gets his signing bonus but then there is the team deciding to keep until the TDL, IMO that might be too long. The longer he doesn't live up to the cap hit the harder and more expensive for the team to deal him. Already coming out even in a trade will have to be based on a player's future, a drafted player on an entry level contract to offset any retention on a EP trade. Top draftee's are getting as many points as he did.

My post wasn't about keeping him with any hope of resurgence but just how hard it would be to make a trade and what Allvin will try to sell fans. We will see or hear very soon today, 10AM

 

[Canucks LB]

Temporarily Locking Thread for Management availability.

Thread 'End of Season Media Availability - Management ( 10 PST)'

Monday at 11:41 AM

Management is going to speak in about an hour.

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