GDT: End of season media availability - Shanahan gone and Pelley speaking Friday at 1PM EST

[HofT]

You still need your top players to perform to win a cup. While the Oilers duo haven't won a cup, they lead the team in scoring every playoffs and have got them to a game 7 in the Cup Final.

Nylander and Marner are currently ranked 5th and 6th in the league for playoff points. Matthews is 18th but we know he's playing hurt.

 

[Tak7]

I wonder if the today is the day we get some leaked info/news/changes about tomorrow.

Would it surprise anyone if we got some whispers today that set the table for a classic Friday newsdump tomorrow?

The Oilers play game 2 tomorrow as well - would be so on brand of them to try and wash themselves out of the news cycle heading into a Friday night and the weekend.

 

[SprDaVE]

Would it surprise anyone if we got some whispers today that set the table for a classic Friday newsdump tomorrow?

The Oilers play game 2 tomorrow as well - would be so on brand of them to try and wash themselves out of the news cycle heading into a Friday night and the weekend.

Leafs are very typical big company. Make the "bad" news on a Friday so that they hide the weekend and things get blown away.

No idea if we'll get some insider leaks today but if Shanahan is indeed removed, I could see that being floated out today. I'd be surprised if they can keep that underwraps until they start talking.

 

[Fogelhund]

Nylander and Marner are currently ranked 5th and 6th in the league for playoff points. Matthews is 18th but we know he's playing hurt.

Great players, who can really put up points... but now do their performances beyond game 4. That's where the problem is, they completely disappear when it counts. Marner for example is a -6, with two points in six game sevens in his career. I'm not trying to pick on him, but I know that stat without looking it up.

Nylander had a great playoffs, except he had no points after game three against Florida. Marner had one assist after game three. Matthews had one goal, no assists after game three. Tavares had no points after game three.

Our most impactful player, after game three... was MAX DOMI... with three points... now congrats Max, but you just don't win this way.

Of course, a couple of games isn't a statistically significant event, but this is a repeated pattern now for nine years. Great regular season players, and good playoff performers early in a series, and then a disappearing act when it counts.

 

[Fogelhund]

Leafs are very typical big company. Make the "bad" news on a Friday so that they hide the weekend and things get blown away.

No idea if we'll get some insider leaks today but if Shanahan is indeed removed, I could see that being floated out today. I'd be surprised if they can keep that underwraps until they start talking.

If they gave permission to the NYI to talk to him, the writing is clearly on the wall. He's all but an announcement away from being done here.

 

[Tak7]

Leafs are very typical big company. Make the "bad" news on a Friday so that they hide the weekend and things get blown away.

No idea if we'll get some insider leaks today but if Shanahan is indeed removed, I could see that being floated out today. I'd be surprised if they can keep that underwraps until they start talking.

I would imagine that they would want that out there before they start talking - perhaps even via an official statement.

That would change the tone of that availability from them having the knives out for blood, to one of gratitude towards Shanahan and the job that he's done here, and wishing him well on his next journey (I believe the Islanders thing is already wrapped up, personally).

 

[Fogelhund]

Islanders ownership... .let's plunder Leaf's management castoffs, because they've done so well..... hmmm rinse and repeat.

 

[Racer88]

Getting rid of guys like Kadri and Hyman, overpaying those three, and wasting and throwing away picks has to be one of the biggest management blunders in NHL history.
Some of us knew it was a big mistake at the time.

Yup we did but we were scoffed at. There are still some that think we would be automatically worse if Marner leaves.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Nylander and Marner are currently ranked 5th and 6th in the league for playoff points. Matthews is 18th but we know he's playing hurt.

Everybody plays hurt in the playoffs. No more excuses.

 

[Apex Predator]

Islanders ownership... .let's plunder Leaf's management castoffs, because they've done so well..... hmmm rinse and repeat.

I wonder if Shannan will change his ways with everything he learned in Toronto or is he arrogant enough not not change his ways.

 

[Racer88]

You're not getting it. This has nothing to do with Leafs and Oilers as teams but the comparison of their top players. McDavid and Draisaitl constantly win puck battles and lead the Oilers in scoring in the playoffs.

Mathews and Marner rarely win puck battles and disappear come playoff time.

I could not have said it better if I tried. Anyone who watched our series with Florida and still thinks any of the core 4 are clutch guys are dreaming.

 

[Racer88]

This is why we should ask Matthews/Nylander and Reilly to waive or pick teams they would be willing to move too.
That way we can gauge the returns and have alternate rebuild plans. Instead of Marner leaving this summer and Matthew’s saying bye in 3 years both with nothing to show.

Absolutely. We are facing a retool if not a complete rebuild

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I wonder if Shannan will change his ways with everything he learned in Toronto or is he arrogant enough not not change his ways.

He didn't change a goddamn thing in the last 10 years here, not confident he'll be flexible there either.

 

[Tak7]

I wonder if Shannan will change his ways with everything he learned in Toronto or is he arrogant enough not not change his ways.

He's human.
When he eventually ends up in New York, he will learn from his mistakes here and, you would hope/think, grow and improve from it.
Even the most stubborn of hockey people have the capacity to pivot on how they think the game.

 

[Fogelhund]

I wonder if Shannan will change his ways with everything he learned in Toronto or is he arrogant enough not not change his ways.

It's hard not to bet on elite talent... few teams have had a collection of talent like we have had. He just bet on the talent, over will to win too long. Re-evaluating your hypothesis is very difficult, as is admitting you were wrong and need to change. Few can do it.

 

[Fogelhund]

The Leafs have reportedly granted the Kraken permission to speak with Lane Lambert

 

[colchar]

Nylander and Marner are currently ranked 5th and 6th in the league for playoff points.

Points do not tell the whole story. One good game could skew things and make a player look good.

Are you seriously trying to say that Marner and Nylander performed well in these playoffs?

 

[colchar]

Any word on when either Pelley or Tre will face the media?

I know there is supposed to be a board meeting today so am hoping they will talk after Pelley takes part in that.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Points do not tell the whole story. One good game could skew things and make a player look good.

Are you seriously trying to say that Marner and Nylander performed well in these playoffs?

"Remember Jerry: it's not a lie, if you believe it."
- George Costanza

 

[arso40]

how you can complain about Benoit is wild. LOL

I didn’t complain about benoit specifically at all someone decided to single benoit out and I replied that only tanev was a plus defender benoit doesn’t play with the net empty which means he was a minus defender in a third pair role I’m not complaining its just a fact

 

[arso40]

"A minus 3" because the Core Fore couldn't score.
"A minus 3" is reason to criticize any Toronto D when Toronto is outscored 12-4 in the final three games? lol

Once again I didn’t critique him my original quote was only tanev was a plus defender someone decided to single out benoit as if he was good whatever your reason is for why Hes a minus defender it had nothing to do with an empty net

 

[arso40]

Points do not tell the whole story. One good game could skew things and make a player look good.

Are you seriously trying to say that Marner and Nylander performed well in these playoffs?

They didn’t but if the goalies and defenders did their job they would have looked better doing not enough

 

[stealth1]

I wonder if Shannan will change his ways with everything he learned in Toronto or is he arrogant enough not not change his ways.

It's hard to say. We don't know how much of his decisions came from the board.

 

[WillNy29]

Great players, who can really put up points... but now do their performances beyond game 4. That's where the problem is, they completely disappear when it counts. Marner for example is a -6, with two points in six game sevens in his career. I'm not trying to pick on him, but I know that stat without looking it up.

Nylander had a great playoffs, except he had no points after game three against Florida. Marner had one assist after game three. Matthews had one goal, no assists after game three. Tavares had no points after game three.

Our most impactful player, after game three... was MAX DOMI... with three points... now congrats Max, but you just don't win this way.

Of course, a couple of games isn't a statistically significant event, but this is a repeated pattern now for nine years. Great regular season players, and good playoff performers early in a series, and then a disappearing act when it counts.

I was reading game 7 stats of a lot of players who get their flowers around here and was kind of shocked. Didn't realize McKinnon for example was a game 7 ghost. I wonder what it is about game 7s that makes even the best players in the NHL just kind of disappear and then makes guys like Justin Williams into legends. I find that extremely interesting.

 

[Fogelhund]

I was reading game 7 stats of a lot of players who get their flowers around here and was kind of shocked. Didn't realize McKinnon for example was a game 7 ghost. I wonder what it is about game 7s that makes even the best players in the NHL just kind of disappear and then makes guys like Justin Williams into legends. I find that extremely interesting.

On the flip side... he has 19 points in close out games altogether. I think that game 7 stat is the outlier, not the rest of the games he's played. He's got a 125 points, in 95 playoff games... well above what our guys do in the playoffs.