Eichel vs Point vs Malkin
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Jeff Babchuk
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Kinda unfair to compare a 36 year old to two 26 year olds, no..?
TheDawnOfANewTage
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I can see a Point for Brayden, Malkin an argument for Evgeni is more difficult. Eichel-ouldn’t choose anyone but Jack, personally.
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We just had a center poll recently
#8 Point
#11 Malkin
#12 Eichel
#8 Point
#11 Malkin
#12 Eichel
Incognito
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That’s the only way that Eichel or Point have a chance against Malkin.
TommyDangles
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I started by looking at the poll results before the actual question and thought Malkin was being severely underrated as I was thinking career, not as of today….
Gurglesons
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Voight
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How can one rank Eichel ahead of Point? I get the latter has struggled but he's reached heights Echel has not.
Yeah but id argue out of all top centers ranked Eichel and Malkin had the most question marks around them:
1. Can Eichel rebound after injuries?
2. Does Malkin "still have it" despite age/injuries?
Both have started the year pretty good. Whether it's enough to surpass Point or not is for each to answer themselves, but i think its a good question
Personally i have no idea how to rank them. Super close and I can see it either way. In the end I voted Malkin/Eichel/Point - but don't feel great about it being right
Buck Naked
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He's not shown to be elite without Kucherov though. Eichel, pre-injury, showed that he's one of those players who can produce no matter who he plays with on the worst team in the league. He was 28 points ahead of the second scorer on the team in 19/20 and in 18/19 he was 17 points ahead.
Then, sure. Point's been an amazing player for TBL when everyone's been healthy. I just prefer #1 centers who can play with basically anyone and still be great.
Voight
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He still had decent players to play with.
Point has been PPG or near it the last 4 seasons with or without Kucherov.
Playoffs or regular season? Point is a whole different animal come playoff time. Only 2 or 3 forwards in the league I would take over Point in a Game 7.
Buck Naked
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I personally think Stamkos and Palat, especially if you also add a guy like Hedman on the D, are a bit more prominent than Victor Olofsson and Sam Reinhart. It's also a pretty big difference between 1.15 ppg and .85 ppg, which is the difference between Point with Stamkos and Palat and Eichel with Reinhart and Olofsson as their most common linemates.
The Grim Reaper
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What a weird thread.
How would you currently rank these three players from best to worst (disregard their contracts)
McDavid
Matthews
Giroux
How would you currently rank these three players from best to worst (disregard their contracts)
McDavid
Matthews
Giroux
I guess it depends on how you define "near".....I wouldn't suggest he's been near ppg the last 2 years.
EDIT: at a minimum, even if you think pace of around 70pts is "near" ppg, his production was certainly down during the periods Kucherov was out. Not down, completely different player down, but down enough where it's noticeable.
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Eichel looks better than ever before IMO.
The season is young though, and it's not nearly enough to overcome Point's superiority over the past 4 or 5 years.
The season is young though, and it's not nearly enough to overcome Point's superiority over the past 4 or 5 years.
I really don’t see what’s weird about comparing players as they currently are, regardless of age. It’s literally what GMs and coaches have to do every day. The fact that Malkin is still worth comparing to two players in their 20s based on current ability is a compliment to how good he was in his prime, not a slight.
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Voight
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64 points/66 games
48 points/56 games
58 points/66 games
Thats near PPG IMO.
Sure. Any player who loses an elite linemate is going to suffer production wise (unless they are the best of the best).
This is why I suggest it depends on how you define "near" as I don't see 48pts/56 games or 58pts/66 games near ppg.....I haven't thought much about it myself, but if I had to come up with something quick, I would think within 5pts over a full season to be near ppg....so 75pts in 80 or 77 in 82......doesn't matter....that's stupid semantics.
Agree with you that most players will lose production when they lose an elite line mate....I was just being factual, he was at, near or better than ppg with Kucherov and he was quite a bit below without.
The Grim Reaper
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But that has nothing to do with current 36 year old Malkin. He’s not near these players currently.
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Buck Naked
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And that's the difference between the two in my opinion. Eichel never played with elite linemates yet produced well over PPG at his best. Point, while still playing with a guy like Stamkos, was .15 below ppg. He seems to be extremely connected to the success of Kucherov rather than holding his own.
Jorma Heart
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Even if I could have Eichel and Point both I wouldn't pick them over 26 year old Malkin. Malkin have been outproducing them both since 2006, even last season he was scoring higher pace than any of them. He can still turn on the beast mode when he's the absolutely best player on the ice.
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