Series Talk: ECSF: New York Rangers vs. Carolina Hurricanes (NYR Lead 3-2)

[wunderpanda]

Isn’t this a silly game?
New York Rangers: takeaway the New York and the n, e, r and you get the “Rags”. The mods say that’s cool to use on the main board.
For me it opens an ugly door. Much like the “Broken Window Theory”.
But it can be applied to many teams.
Hurricanes: takeaway the h, 1r, c, a and you get “Urines”.
Welcome to your new nickname Carolina Urine fans.

1- never thought rags was disrespectful, been hearing it since graves & richter
2- bandwagon canes fan, my comments aren't representative
3- need a lot of rags to clean up after a urinecane pisses on your village

 

[Negan4Coach]

Trocheck is a beast. Not sure why he wasn't re-signed (his choice or Canes?) but so far he's outperforming his contract by a country mile.

Oh god don't get me started...

 

[hangman005]

Are either of these teams going to even remember how to play hockey by the time this series starts?

 

[Idiot Stick]

Canes in 5
Theyll shut down the rangers easily 5v5

 

[Sayba]

Any update on the schedule?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Canes in 5
Theyll shut down the rangers easily 5v5

its not the 5v5 im worried about, its the penalty disparity.

 

[Idiot Stick]

its not the 5v5 im worried about, its the penalty disparity.

you guys seem to play very disciplined, and your pk is top tier. Rangers powerplay is a tall task but the panthers for the most part shut down the most lethal pp in the playoffs and you guy are very similar to us.

 

[OVO16]

This can easily go 7 games but I've seen weirder things happen. After watching the Canes get swept in the ECF last year abruptly, it's so tough to predict

Regardless, I guess I'll go Rangers in 7

 

[Brad Meador]

you guys seem to play very disciplined, and your pk is top tier. Rangers powerplay is a tall task but the panthers for the most part shut down the most lethal pk in the playoffs and you guy are very similar to us.

True, the Islanders actually committed more penalties than we did, which is a surprise considering the market there in NY.

The thing I'm worried about is our PK. We were 8/11 on the PK vs the Islanders. Granted the last 3 Pk's in game 5 by Carolina was carolina like but that PK percentage needs to improve drastically vs the Rangers.

Either that or just don't commit a penalty. The Washington Ranger series had lots of penalties on both sides. Unfortunately Washington couldn't capitalize.

Carolina needs to stay disciplined like they were the first series or they'll be in trouble. Both teams will. Neither team can commit dumb penalties in this series and get away with it although in the regular season we were 9/10 vs the Rangers PP but playoffs are a different animal but it gives me confidence that we can shut down their PP if our PK success carries over to the playoffs and it hasn't really yet.

Hopefully with how awesome this series is (2 of the best teams going at it) the refs will pocket the whistles. and let the series be decided 5 on 5, unless something is blatantly obvious to be a penalty.

 

[Cuckoo4Kakko]

its not the 5v5 im worried about, its the penalty disparity.

During the 82 game regular season the Canes had 3 less penalties called on them and 3 more power plays than the Rangers had.

In round 1 the Canes had 4 more power plays than the Islanders. The Rangers had 1 less power play than the Caps.

I am also worried about penalty disparity.

 

[GG96]

True, the Islanders actually committed more penalties than we did, which is a surprise considering the market there in NY.

Hopefully with how awesome this series is (2 of the best teams going at it) the refs will pocket the whistles. and let the series be decided 5 on 5, unless something is blatantly obvious to be a penalty.

Are you already complaining about the refs before the series even starts? You even managed to retroactively complain about the last series even after getting the better whistle.

This idea of “swallowing whistles” is so dumb. Just call the game even. If it is a penalty on one team, it is a penalty on the other. Don’t let obvious penalties go because of time and situation.

 

[nyrallday]

As long as we get physical with Carolina, we will be ok. Bunch of softies over there and we can bully them all night. Have Rempe and Trouba destroy a few guys game 1 and Carolina will be horrified for the whole series

 

[John Price]

canes in 6

 

[patnyrnyg]

Rangers have the much larger fanbase, that's all the poll really reflects.

And yeah, that includes the best of 5s from back in the day- back then they didn't allow back to back games in a playoff series, from what I understand.

Not true, In first round they would play 4 games in 5 days. you can click on some of the series here

1985-86 NHL Summary | Hockey-Reference.com

Check out the Eastern, Western Conference and Playoff series Standings, Statistics, Leaders and more for the 1985-86 NHL season on Hockey-Reference.com

www.hockey-reference.com

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

During the 82 game regular season the Canes had 3 less penalties called on them and 3 more power plays than the Rangers had.

In round 1 the Canes had 4 more power plays than the Islanders. The Rangers had 1 less power play than the Caps.

I am also worried about penalty disparity.

in terms of penalty disparity the Rangers were 14th at home and 9th on the road when talking about PP to times shorthanded ratio. Canes were 21st and 22nd, respectively.

 

[Brad Meador]

Are you already complaining about the refs before the series even starts? You even managed to retroactively complain about the last series even after getting the better whistle.

This idea of “swallowing whistles” is so dumb. Just call the game even. If it is a penalty on one team, it is a penalty on the other. Don’t let obvious penalties go because of time and situation.

No, I'm not complaining about the refs. It's an observation from the last series I watched. The Islander Canes series was surprisingly a well disciplined series on both sides.

I do agree with one thing you said; if it's a penalty on one team call it on the other.

Ex: Players get in a scum after whistle and the ref calls a penalty on one player but not the other. That I do not like because both players were involved.

Also, I'm not the type of fan to blame the refs if your team loses a game or the series. Fans do that in heat of the moment to place blame on someone.

The reality is the other team was just better and capitalized on their chances.

 

[eco's bones]

Florida is probably going to have a much easier time dispatching Boston/Toronto than the winning team will have in this series. To me Florida, Carolina, Rangers (in no particular order) are the best teams in the east as well as the best built for the playoffs. Whichever team comes out of the Conference final will have the bragging rights for that.

One of the positives for the Rangers is no one is seriously injured or banged up and even Chytil is available so the Rangers have probably the best depth going into a second round than they've had for decades. Even the best backup goalie they've had in a while. They're a rested team though Carolina should be pretty rested too. My guess is they do play Rempe at least for some of the series. Playoffs are about luck but attrition also figures into it. He causes attrition.

 

[tarheelhockey]

True, the Islanders actually committed more penalties than we did, which is a surprise considering the market there in NY.

The thing I'm worried about is our PK. We were 8/11 on the PK vs the Islanders. Granted the last 3 Pk's in game 5 by Carolina was carolina like but that PK percentage needs to improve drastically vs the Rangers.

Either that or just don't commit a penalty. The Washington Ranger series had lots of penalties on both sides. Unfortunately Washington couldn't capitalize.

Carolina needs to stay disciplined like they were the first series or they'll be in trouble. Both teams will. Neither team can commit dumb penalties in this series and get away with it although in the regular season we were 9/10 vs the Rangers PP but playoffs are a different animal but it gives me confidence that we can shut down their PP if our PK success carries over to the playoffs and it hasn't really yet.

Hopefully with how awesome this series is (2 of the best teams going at it) the refs will pocket the whistles. and let the series be decided 5 on 5, unless something is blatantly obvious to be a penalty.

The loss of Pesce and Fast isn’t being talked about enough. That’s half of a very good PK unit and two guys who make a big difference in the middle of the lineup. In a tight playoff series with depth on both sides and facing a good PP, those losses could tilt the outcome.

 

[NYRFAN218]

Any update on the schedule?

Word is Sunday/Tuesday for games 1 and 2 with times TBD. MSG is tentatively booked both Saturday and Monday with Knicks games 7 and 1 of following round. Times TBD presumably due to game 7's in the NHL that are still on the board still.

I'll go Rangers in 7 as my homer pick but I'm sure this series isn't going any less than 6 either way with a very good possibility of 7.

 

[Brad Meador]

The loss of Pesce and Fast isn’t being talked about enough. That’s half of a very good PK unit and two guys who make a big difference in the middle of the lineup. In a tight playoff series with depth on both sides and facing a good PP, those losses could tilt the outcome.

Fortunately, it appears Pesce will be back in this series. Don't know when and how deep in the series he'll appear but whenever he returns that will be a big piece back in our lineup.

I've been watching; I wonder who kills penalties in their place?

Word is Sunday/Tuesday for games 1 and 2 with times TBD. MSG is tentatively booked both Saturday and Monday with Knicks games 7 and 1 of following round. Times TBD presumably due to game 7's in the NHL that are still on the board still.

I'll go Rangers in 7 as my homer pick but I'm sure this series isn't going any less than 6 either way with a very good possibility of 7.

I'd be surprised if it goes less than 6 too, especially since the last time the teams met it went the distance and knowing how almost identical both teams were in the regular season.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

The loss of Pesce and Fast isn’t being talked about enough. That’s half of a very good PK unit and two guys who make a big difference in the middle of the lineup. In a tight playoff series with depth on both sides and facing a good PP, those losses could tilt the outcome.

They played in years past and the PK got smoked anyway in series losses.

I think we’re in an era in which an elite PP can just overwhelm even the best PK. Edmonton humiliating the #2 RS PK in the league exemplifies that.

The Rangers are talented enough to do that. Canes need to show that the PP is for real. Another 30/10 split makes for an uphill climb.

 

[patnyrnyg]

There was a brief period where teams could opt for 2-3-2 over 2-2-1-1-1, wanna say it was maybe 90-92 or so. I think most teams would always go for 2-2-1-1-1 but obviously if you had big travel the league would not do that

Believe it was only if a team in Eastern time zone was playing a team in the pacific time zone. Team with home ice had the choice.

 

[Chaos2k7]

 

[RockTheRedDC]

rags in 4 losses aka Canes in 5.
rags is a PP team.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I've been watching; I wonder who kills penalties in their place?

So far, losing Fast hasn’t had too much of an effect as he was on the third PK unit, which is only on the ice a little bit. He has been replaced there by Drury, who isn’t as good as Fast but is still within the comfort zone for that role.

In that limited role, Drury did become a negative factor on the Isles’ PPG in game 4, losing the faceoff and getting jammed in his defensive lane. It’s not a huge deal but a thing to keep an eye on.

For Pesce, it appears Orlov has graduated up as the replacement to pair with Skjei. That’s not ideal as it puts two LHD on the ice, not to mention Orlov being a less stout PK’er than Pesce. When Orlov took a penalty, his former 3rd-pair-PK partner Chatfield was the next man up to take his place. In the small sample, they have notably not used a 3rd defensive pair at all, so the biggest long-term impact might be the increased workload on Slavin-Burns as they skate a couple more shifts per game.

They played in years past and the PK got smoked anyway in series losses.

I think we’re in an era in which an elite PP can just overwhelm even the best PK. Edmonton humiliating the #2 RS PK in the league exemplifies that.

The Rangers are talented enough to do that. Canes need to show that the PP is for real. Another 30/10 split makes for an uphill climb.

I don’t agree. In a tight series, allowing even just one more PPG against could be the end of your season. Depth at those PK positions is crucial, and in particular, losing a key PK defenseman is a needle-moving issue.