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Series Talk: ECSF: (A1) Toronto Maple Leafs vs (A3) Florida Panthers (Series Tied 2-2)

Who wins?

  • Toronto in 7

    Votes: 107 12.8%
  • Toronto in 6

    Votes: 119 14.3%
  • Toronto in 5

    Votes: 25 3.0%
  • Toronto in 4

    Votes: 27 3.2%
  • Florida in 7

    Votes: 68 8.1%
  • Florida in 6

    Votes: 275 32.9%
  • Florida in 5

    Votes: 152 18.2%
  • Florida in 4

    Votes: 62 7.4%

  • Total voters
    835
  • Poll closed .
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It's not really missing the point at all. I know this is how they play and how they have been playing all year. I've literally said so in previous posts.

Part of my point is that this style is not really how the vast majority of modern Cup winners play - the exception being the 17-18 Capitals.
I think it gets the Leafs to the Cup final, and then the result will depend on which team they play in the final. The leafs likely beat them all except maybe Vegas.
 
It's not really missing the point at all. I know this is how they play and how they have been playing all year. I've literally said so in previous posts.

Part of my point is that this style is not really how the vast majority of modern Cup winners play - the exception being the 17-18 Capitals.
Sometimes doing something other than the expected yields dividends. Who can adjust to counteract? Who can’t? Does it maximize your strengths and minimize your weaknesses?
 
Matthews goal posts will forever move, he could be leading the playoffs in goals and points and there would still be a reason he's overrated and underperforming. People can't seem to bring themselves to actually watch him play and just score card read.
The media overrated him for a while so fans of other teams have gone in the opposite direction and massively underrate him. The guy lost polls to Tim Stutzle, Patrick Laine, Matt Barzal and Elias Pettersson on this site lol.
 
Some people were/are talking like the only reason Toronto got through to the second round was by facing a scrub Ottawa team.

The Senators are a very fast team and are very underrated. They would’ve given Florida a lot of trouble.
 
The media overrated him for a while so fans of other teams have gone in the opposite direction and massively underrate him. The guy lost polls to Tim Stutzle, Patrick Laine, Matt Barzal and Elias Pettersson on this site lol.
The only thing polls on this site are good for is determining whose opinion you can safely ignore wholesale.
 
Weirdly enough I like our odds against Vegas but do not want to play the Stars at all.
I'm the opposite. I'm not too concerned about Dallas. I think the Leafs match-up well against them.

The wildcard in all of this is Edmonton. Mediocre defense, literally terrible goaltending, but two guys who simply dominate a game when they decide to. That's hard to defend against.
 
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The series is far from over. FLA is more than capable of holding serve at home. As they say, you’re not in trouble until you lose a home game. Leafs need one on the road and things will really shift in their favor.

But the way these games have been going suits them just fine. They’ve won many games this year this way. It took some time for some Leafs fans to understand this earlier this season. The Leafs have historically been on the other side of this in the past, against Tampa, Florida and Boston, and Berube flipped the script.

They’re more than happy playing a low event game. If both teams are limited on scoring chances, they’re expect their skill and goaltending will be the difference, and so far it has worked. Shot attempts, ‘deserve to win meter’, ozone time, etc., don’t really matter when the Leafs are keeping them out of the high danger zone.
 
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I think it gets the Leafs to the Cup final, and then the result will depend on which team they play in the final. The leafs likely beat them all except maybe Vegas.
The sportsbooks would have the Leafs listed as an underdog against all four Western Conference teams, minus perhaps Vegas.

The Leafs are one of 8 teams remaining. Saying they are likely to win is just probabilistically incorrect. No remaining team is "likely" to win the Cup.
Sometimes doing something other than the expected yields dividends. Who can adjust to counteract? Who can’t? Does it maximize your strengths and minimize your weaknesses?
"Sometimes things happen".

I mean yeah, sure. Anything can happen. That kind of truism doesn't add much analytical value (in the broad sense, not the numbers sense - I have to clarify because someone else will cry about spreadsheets or whatever) to the discussion.
 
The Blues were an elite Corsi/chance share/xG team after Berube took over the year they won the Cup. They were not an absorb pressure, counter-punch team.

But good job at making my point stronger.

The Blues were <50% xGF in each series except against the Sharks.
 
The sportsbooks would have the Leafs listed as an underdog against all four Western Conference teams, minus perhaps Vegas.

The Leafs are one of 8 teams remaining. Saying they are likely to win is just probabilistically incorrect. No remaining team is "likely" to win the Cup.

"Sometimes things happen".

I mean yeah, sure. Anything can happen. That kind of truism doesn't add much analytical value (in the broad sense, not the numbers sense - I have to clarify because someone else will cry about spreadsheets or whatever) to the discussion.
I take it you aren’t fond of strategy?
 
Some people were/are talking like the only reason Toronto got through to the second round was by facing a scrub Ottawa team.

The Senators are a very fast team and are very underrated. They would’ve given Florida a lot of trouble.
Facing Ottawa was the easier pick only because of their youth and inexperience. It was also a blessing in disguise though because they are the fastest team in the conference so either Florida team would feel slower in comparison.

The Leafs have certainly leveraged their speed advantage in this series. An advantage they didn't have against Ottawa.
 
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Facing Ottawa was the easier pick only because of their youth and inexperience. It was also a blessing in disguise though because they are the fastest team in the conference so either Florida team would feel slower in comparison.

The Leafs have certainly leveraged their speed advantage in this series. An advantage they didn't have against Ottawa.

Toronto definitely exposed Ottawa's lack of speed on the back end a few times in that series, Ottawa really isn't that quick.

I think Florida comes back to win the series, unfortunately.
 
People talking about Bob finding form.. As if Woll isn't rocking a .875 right now and looking better and better as it goes on. Seeing as he had a .960sv% last year against the Bruins.. And a .915 against the Panthers the year before...

Leafs have room to improve too

Too many people just watching the highlights...Woll definitely finished strong, but he was awful to start game 2, and poor in relief in game 1 as well.

He's capable of much more.
 
Are we really talking about the Finals ? Focus; we’re playing the literal champs . Nice start but Florida is coming with their best game of the series so Leafs better ready for a huge push back . They know they can’t go down 3 0
 
Not sure if true but one of the podcasts today claimed Panthers asked what the heck was up with that embellishment call and league told them officials felt the combined effort of the stay down and the skate off was too much, so makes you wonder if he does not go to the room if they don't call it

Who do you think would win between Carolina and Toronto should that be the conference finals?

Sorry quoted the wrong poster, but you can answer for fun if you want 🤣
 
CAR-WSH is kinda already a battle of the extremes of these styles. TOR would go into a series against CAR plaiyng the same way as WSH is now...absorb pressure and hope to get a counter attack goal in the vein of the Domi/Protas goals.

Who do you think would win between Toronto and Carolina?
 
Too many people just watching the highlights...Woll definitely finished strong, but he was awful to start game 2, and poor in relief in game 1 as well.

He's capable of much more.

For sure but this was expected after not playing for a month. Just wait a few games and see how good he plays.
 
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