Series Talk: ECSF: (A1)Toronto Maple Leafs vs (A3)Florida Panthers - (Series tied 3-3) Part 2

[Gentle Man]

Yea, but you're saying that was a headshot? It was a simple interference infraction, that's all.

I didnt say anywhere it was a headshot.

But concussions can happen without a headshot especially when you can just hit a guy who isnt even eligible to be hit


But then again, same fan base that clamor it's neigh impossible for a goalie to sustain a concussion from a shot.

 

[Two4Fighting]

This was Toronto’s series. Florida (their core + Bob) played like garbage the first two games. Toronto took their foot off the pedal and allowed Florida to regain control. Now Toronto’s core looks like garbage in games 3 & 4. We’ll see what both teams bring to games 5, 6 and potentially 7.

If both teams bring their A games, should be an exciting few games.

Unfortunately, this series hasn’t seen both teams have good games in the same game and has resulted in what we’ve seen so far.

the first 3 games were very close, even game 1 which it was the worst game of the series, still got very close, game have been decided by a goal, excluding the 4th one, because 2-0 is not close by any definition.

 

[tiefan]

I really think this year is the summation of the leagues efforts to remove "tough guys" and "fighting" from the league.

The instigator rule stopped large scale retaliation to these exact types of plays. Teams removed tough guys from their lineups who would know to sacrifice themselves via suspension or fight if a player went after their captain like Domi did to Barkov last night. Now you see scummy plays, Tkachuk on Guentzel and Marner, Mikkola's board, Domi's board, Hagel on Barkov, Bennett on Stolarz, Stone sliding into people's knees, Roy's crosscheck. This has been one of the dirtiest playoffs I can remember. I can only assume that's due to the lack of concern of any sort of punishment from the league or the other team.

The league has stopped suspending guys for dirty play. IDK why, but their tiny 5K fines are absolutely not influencing anything for a player who makes 4-5M a year. And now that tough guys are gone, these scummy middleweights are just running around giving cheapshots at the end of every game.

The league created this. If this is 10 years ago when 4th lines were bigger, and the code really mattered, Domi would 100% get his head knocked in to start game 5. Bennett would have already fought or been boarded by a 4th liner for the Leafs. Instead, these guys face zero pushback, and just do dumb shit over and over again.

Ridiculous what Bettman has created. Remove the instigator and start handing out 3-5 game suspensions in the playoffs for unnecessary plays like what Domi did

Very much almost all of this!!!

There should have been 3-4 suspensions already this series alone. In a misguided attempt for the league/refs to "not decide the series/games" they are doing exactly that. This series will likely come down to who loses the least amount of players due to cheap shots.

 

[Divine]

 

[CowbellConray]

I had a thought about the whole paltry fines thing, which I hadn't thought of before. While it's basically just a slap on the wrist, I kind of feel that maybe the purpose it serves is to put something down on the player's record as "supplemental discipline" even if it's almost entirely ineffective on its own. That way, if the same player pulls another stupid stunt later on (within the 18-month window where an incident of supplemental discipline classifies them as a repeat offender), DOPS can smack them harder because they now have "repeat offender" status. I don't really have an opinion one way or the other on whether this is good, effective, what they're actually trying to do, etc. but it's a thought.

Agreed - it's used not as a deterrent, but rather a mark to then have a baseline later on. I think it's stupid - the fines should be increased to 50K as it isn't a deterrent in its own right. Which IMO it should be

 

[TeamRenzo]

Deflect, deflect!

 

[Martin Skoula]

Are you talking about the tweet from one of the owners of the Florida Panthers directed at the Toronto Maple Leafs?

I do wonder how that could possibly be related to a series between the Panthers and Leafs.

He even specifically mentioned eliminating rats, it’s literally series related.

 

[I Hate Philadelphia]

Berube doing what coaches do.

He's really known for the things he says - google "berube peter worrell" for more info!

 

[Delete1]

I really think this year is the summation of the leagues efforts to remove "tough guys" and "fighting" from the league.

The instigator rule stopped large scale retaliation to these exact types of plays. Teams removed tough guys from their lineups who would know to sacrifice themselves via suspension or fight if a player went after their captain like Domi did to Barkov last night. Now you see scummy plays, Tkachuk on Guentzel and Marner, Mikkola's board, Domi's board, Hagel on Barkov, Bennett on Stolarz, Stone sliding into people's knees, Roy's crosscheck. This has been one of the dirtiest playoffs I can remember. I can only assume that's due to the lack of concern of any sort of punishment from the league or the other team.

The league has stopped suspending guys for dirty play. IDK why, but their tiny 5K fines are absolutely not influencing anything for a player who makes 4-5M a year. And now that tough guys are gone, these scummy middleweights are just running around giving cheapshots at the end of every game.

The league created this. If this is 10 years ago when 4th lines were bigger, and the code really mattered, Domi would 100% get his head knocked in to start game 5. Bennett would have already fought or been boarded by a 4th liner for the Leafs. Instead, these guys face zero pushback, and just do dumb shit over and over again.

Ridiculous what Bettman has created. Remove the instigator and start handing out 3-5 game suspensions in the playoffs for unnecessary plays like what Domi did

I don't know. If anyone remembers watching hockey before during the "instigator penalty" rule was created, the cheap shots were far worse back then, especially stick shots. Guys used to swing at each like they were holding hatchets. Anyone ever see a Gordie Howe elbow? Or anything Terry O'Reilly used to do? I don't think the answer is to go back to those days.

 

[Just Rude]

 

[Gizmoskevich]

That's okay for what it was. Honestly probably doesn't even get a fine if it wasn't in the dying seconds of the game.

 

[KniesMadeBradyCry]

Just a dumb cheapshot, taking a run at the other team's captain, from behind, near the boards, in the dying seconds of an out of reach game. Not even remotely a hockey play. In the old days there would be hell to pay for that gutless bullshit. The benches might have emptied. In today's NHL, you get a pocket change fine and life goes on, truely ridiculous. All the whining from leaf fans about the dirty play of Florida is really hypocritical considering they're all fine with this garbage. Hopefully Gadjovich gets a hold of Domi next game.

Gadjovich??

The Leafs aren’t scared of the panthers like other teams have been. If they want to start fighting it’s going to end very poorly for Florida.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Rocked? From a wrist shot, what, 30 or 40 feet out?

I played goal all of my life and I can tell you, with today's equipment, there is no way Stolarz is knocked out of the series from a wrist shot, even one that knocks his head off.

NHL goalie masks are designed to take shots 60-ish MPH and above, and well over 100 MPH. You think a wrist shot from that far out is going to concuss an NHL goalie for over a week? Really? Which, of course, is why concussion spotters left him in the game, right?

Oh, and Bennett "bumped into him"? You've apparently never taken a elbow/forearm to the head from a 200-pound guy moving forward when you are still. Storlarz literally grabs his head immediately. Bennett's shot knocked him out.

Panther fans are the best. "The wrist shot did it, not that guy who has knocked three guys out of the playoffs from dirty shots in each of the past three years."

But, hey, don't take my word from it. Let a concussion doctor explain:

Ya the first shot definitely caused some damage, I agree with shots that a goalie can deflect with his mask, aren’t as bad, as a lot of velocity isn’t lost, but he took that one square on the jaw, so there wasn’t much deflection, and velocity lost.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Well that should put all of the Bettman/Campbell/Parros conspiracy theories to rest.

Narrator’s voice: ‘It didn’t.’

 

[KniesMadeBradyCry]

Well that should put all of the Bettman/ Campbell/Parros conspiracy theories to rest.

Narrator’s voice: ‘It didn’t.’

Pretty tough, even for them, to suspend someone for that hit. Even a fine is questionable.

 

[Ratsreign]

What else would you expect him to say?

 

[Howboutthempanthers]

From a Panthers' fan perspective. I really am not confident in Jones and Schmidt's decision making. And they move the puck too slow for my tastes. If there is a weak spot on the Panthers, It would be there IMO.
But other than that, can't complain about the last two games. They didn't play great game 3, but they got the win. And game 4 was the best game they played of the series. We'll see how they play the rest of the way.

 

[BHD]

The Panthers have been getting their licks in well after the whistle is blown. So I can see why Domi wanted to get a pound of flesh, especially since the game was over.

 

[Foppberg]

Leafs had their chance in game 3 to put a noose around the Panthers neck, and blew it. I don't see them winning this now.

 

[sampollock]

ok but your guy hit a guy too. man up

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Leafs had their chance in game 3 to put a noose around the Panthers neck, and blew it. I don't see them winning this now.

Oh, anybody's Best-Of-Three series now, but Toronto is going to have to figure out how to get some greasy goals in scrums down low because simply peppering snipes from the perimeter or hoping for odd-man rushes is not going to get it done.

 

[sampollock]

some of the leaf fans have drifted away from posting
they will come back if the figs win wed night

 

[Foppberg]

Oh, anybody's Best-Of-Three series now, but Toronto is going to have to figure out how to get some greasy goals in scrums down low because simply peppering snipes from the perimeter or hoping for odd-man rushes is not going to get it done.

Maybe, but the longer this goes the more it's in the defending champs favour. Leafs needed to end this early before the Panthers found their game, and they didn't.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Narrator: It wasn't.

 

[ToDavid]

Who cares where he got hit


Where was the puck?

This is a conversation about headshots so it’s a tad relevant.