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Early tier list for 2013 draft

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I have seen, heard and analyzed a handful of these prospects and have categorized them as such to separate talent levels, skill, character and drive. The players in each tier are not in any particular order, to be honest any of the tier 1s (apart from Lazar) has the potential to go 1st overall.

Tier 1 are players I think are most likely going to have a great impact on whichever team they join and potentially be a franchise player that will virtually be untouchable. Top 10 scoring potential and a player you usually build your team around. ppg+ ceiling or great 2-way ability with just a little below a ppg.

Tier 2 are players I believe have just slipped out of the tier 1 division, but will nonetheless become successful elite talents that will complement your franchise player. Think of any dynamic trio in the league, these kids will probably end up being a part of one in the future. Their ceilings would be that of a 50-80 ppg avr.

Tier 3 are the sleepers that we will make us look back at the draft and think that he should have been drafted higher. They have high end talent, but just not as complete as any of the aforementioned players in tier 1 and tier 2. Ceilings are similar to that of tier 2, but the likelihood of achieving those results is lower.

Tier 1: McKinnon, Jones, Shinkaruk, Monahan, Barkov
Tier 2: Lazar, Pulock, Duclair, Drouin, M. Domi, Sorensen, Tolchinsky
Tier 3: Erne, Hagg, A. Forsberg, Lindholm, Buchnevich, Nichushkin, Subban

Please leave your thoughts and opinions!
Any insight on players that you may favor or believe should be include in a higher or lower bracket is always welcomed. (You may also add to the list if you think I am missing anyone talented enough to be considered that should have been mentioned)
 
I think your description of "tier 1" and the players you've put in there are overly optimistic.

getting 1 player who qualifies under your "tier 1" definition would be great...but the responses to your post have put 6 players under that definition...which is pretty laughable.

a franchise player that will virtually be untouchable. Top 10 scoring potential
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and you all would collectively put McKinnon, Jones, Shinkaruk, Monahan, Barkov, and Lazar under that description?? :laugh:
 
UsernameWasTaken said:
I think your description of "tier 1" and the players you've put in there are overly optimistic.

getting 1 player who qualifies under your "tier 1" definition would be great...but the responses to your post have put 6 players under that definition...which is pretty laughable.



and you all would collectively put McKinnon, Jones, Shinkaruk, Monahan, Barkov, and Lazar under that description?? :laugh:
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2013 is very deep, im not surprised. mackinnon shinkaruk monahan and barkov will all be great nhlers, barring injury or any other setback. if mackinnon was eligible for 2012, he woulda been 1st overall. and yes that is a bold statement. :)
 
rocket1990 said:
2013 is very deep, im not surprised. mackinnon shinkaruk monahan and barkov will all be great nhlers, barring injury or any other setback. if mackinnon was eligible for 2012, he woulda been 1st overall. and yes that is a bold statement. :)
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I don't disagree...but trying to apply OP's "Tier 1" definition to all of them is silly...I agree it's a great draft...but seriously...come on

...and as far as MacKinnon goes, every year the scouts start claiming that next years potential #1 would have definitely been taken #1 this year. MacKinnon should go #1 next year (I have a soft spot for Shinkaruk...but don't think he'll overtaken MacK - and doubt Jones could be sufficiently better than MacK to justify a team taking a D over an F.

It's a good thing MacK wasn't eligible this year...b/c he needs to learn how to skate without going 100% speed 100% of the time. That's cute when you have enough size and power that you can run over all the other teenagers in the Q...but if he unleashes his skating technique as it is now at the NHL level he's going to go the way of Taylor Hall :help:
 
I think Kevin Ekman Larson should be added to the 'tier 3' category. He will probably be a sleeper pick, but will turn out really good.
 
UsernameWasTaken said:
I don't disagree...but trying to apply OP's "Tier 1" definition to all of them is silly...I agree it's a great draft...but seriously...come on

...and as far as MacKinnon goes, every year the scouts start claiming that next years potential #1 would have definitely been taken #1 this year. MacKinnon should go #1 next year (I have a soft spot for Shinkaruk...but don't think he'll overtaken MacK - and doubt Jones could be sufficiently better than MacK to justify a team taking a D over an F.

It's a good thing MacK wasn't eligible this year...b/c he needs to learn how to skate without going 100% speed 100% of the time. That's cute when you have enough size and power that you can run over all the other teenagers in the Q...but if he unleashes his skating technique as it is now at the NHL level he's going to go the way of Taylor Hall :help:
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i like your take, i agree, mackinnon is still young. he will be great though. i dont like the crosby comparisons, he is not at all like crosby. i doubt shinkaruk will go straight to the NHL from the draft. I only see MacKinnon, Jones, and maybe maybe maybe Lazar being able to. alot can change in a year though. look at ebert anthasuou and marcantouni.... lol
 
UsernameWasTaken said:
I don't disagree...but trying to apply OP's "Tier 1" definition to all of them is silly...I agree it's a great draft...but seriously...come on

...and as far as MacKinnon goes, every year the scouts start claiming that next years potential #1 would have definitely been taken #1 this year. MacKinnon should go #1 next year (I have a soft spot for Shinkaruk...but don't think he'll overtaken MacK - and doubt Jones could be sufficiently better than MacK to justify a team taking a D over an F.

It's a good thing MacK wasn't eligible this year...b/c he needs to learn how to skate without going 100% speed 100% of the time. That's cute when you have enough size and power that you can run over all the other teenagers in the Q...but if he unleashes his skating technique as it is now at the NHL level he's going to go the way of Taylor Hall :help:
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I honestly think that for the most part most of players included in my tier 1 could easily have trumped the 2012 top 5 picks with Yakupov as one of the only possible exceptions. Though my tier list may not cater to everyone's liking, it serves as a best estimate from my perspective that I wanted to share with everyone else on the boards. The tier list does not predict which players will jump into the NHL first either.. great players don't always make the NHL right after being drafted, but I believe that these kids will be great players in the future regardless of when they make the jump.

As for the requests for Lazar to be in my tier 1; you might not have noticed but it was a hard decision for me to decide which category he'd fall under and as a result I cut him out of tier 1 right before making my post! I believe he'll be a impact player, but I don't think he beats out anyone listed in my 1st tier...

@UsernameWasTaken & rocket1990:
McKinnon isn't a Crosby clone, the only similarities between the two are that both of them come from Nova Scotia and they both excel at using their exceptional hockey instincts as playmakers. His speed and tenacity are what makes him, well him! There are other small players who play with their 100% all the time, think Stlouis and Parise.. The reason why McKinnon is so good is because he's able to make critical decisions and smart plays while bursting at his fullest! The kid just flies on the ice and makes things happen that he has no business doing. Personally I was never sold on him because of all the hype, but then I actually saw him play and I no longer thought it was all just hype.

@edd1e:
Sorry, I am not very familiar with Rasmus Ristolainen progression nor have I ever seen him play... In what tier would you suggest he be placed in?

@jason29walker:
I'm not sold on the kid, but I do see a lot of untapped potential.. We'll see where he's at after the midterm assessment!
 
From what I have seen and read:

Tier 1: MacKinnon and Jones.

Tier 2: Monahan, Barkov, Shinkaruk, Ristolainen.

Then you have the rest, IMO. Lindholm, Lazar and Pulock have the goods to be in tier 2 and are too good for the tier 3 description. Their draft years will be telling. Nichushkin has the talent for tier 2 but we all know his Russian passport will be held against him. I can already envision the freakout here during draft week 2013 when Nichushkin goes 20th in the Button/McGuire mock and falls big time in the real draft due to the Russian Factor. It will be hilarious.

Tier 3: Drouin, Domi, Kujawinski, Erne, Fucale, Hagg, Nurse, Compher, Rychel and Duclair. Some could, with monster draft years, be in the running for tier 2. I probably forgot some...

This draft is just sooo stacked.
 
Marc the Habs Fan said:
From what I have seen and read:

Tier 1: MacKinnon and Jones.

Tier 2: Monahan, Barkov, Shinkaruk, Ristolainen.

Then you have the rest, IMO. Lindholm, Lazar and Pulock have the goods to be in tier 2 and are too good for the tier 3 description. Their draft years will be telling. Nichushkin has the talent for tier 2 but we all know his Russian passport will be held against him. I can already envision the freakout here during draft week 2013 when Nichushkin goes 20th in the Button/McGuire mock and falls big time in the real draft due to the Russian Factor. It will be hilarious.

Tier 3: Drouin, Domi, Kujawinski, Erne, Fucale, Hagg, Nurse, Compher, Rychel and Duclair. Some could, with monster draft years, be in the running for tier 2. I probably forgot some...

This draft is just sooo stacked.
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I would put Shinkaruk in the top tier, but this seems about right. Damn, this class looks good.
 
I know what he said...I just don't know if any forward other than MacKinnon has that type of potential in this crop. Some of the Monahan/Barkov/Shinkaruk group could do it 2 or 3 times, but I assume the OP is talking about doing it for 10+ years.
 
Marc the Habs Fan said:
I know what he said...I just don't know if any forward other than MacKinnon has that type of potential in this crop. Some of the Monahan/Barkov/Shinkaruk group could do it 2 or 3 times, but I assume the OP is talking about doing it for 10+ years.
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No player in the NHL is a guaranteed Top 10 scorer per year. It's a highly competitive league with a long schedule where fluctuations in individual scoring are common. You only need to look at Ovechkin to know this.

So if any of the above do it 2/3 or times, chances are they are amongst the Elite Forwards in the NHL.

Of course things will change, and inevitably one or two of these hyped Forwards won't become elite NHL forwards, but right now, they do look an exceptional bunch. All compare very favourably to recent high end products out of their region, and all seem to have elite abilities in some areas.

I imagine Ristolainen would be in the 3rd tier right now, with the potential to move up, but also the potential to move down. Skills and projectability are there.
 
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