Value of: Dylan Cozens

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Sam Reinhart peaked at 65 points in Buffalo, and that was the only time he had more than 50 points (albeit he was at 50 when covid shut the world down). Sure Cozens doesn't come close to Eichel but to say Cozens is nothing like what Reinhart was is just silly.

The problem with Buffalo is the losers mentality. The only player on that roster with a cup ring is Aube-Kubel. And the only other guys who have been to the finals are Tuch (went as a rookie) and McLeod (there last year). The Swords need someone who knows what it takes to win and is driven to do it again, or at the very least an energy guy. Maybe it's as simple as someone like Scott Laughton. Or if it's more of a free agent target, someone like Yanni Gourde would be a great target.
Reinhart has hockey IQ, Cozens runs off motor and is a winger at the NHL level, not a center.

Curious what Saber fans think is the issue. Injury? Wing vs Center? Linemates? Coach? Bad Luck? Something else?

Could see King's being interested. Don't really have a RD or center to send back.
The problem is center vs wing. He's not a center at the NHL level. When he played for team Canada he played on the wing. When he had that good season in Buffalo they had no system and were a run and gun team. They didn't have to worry about defense so Cozens could skate wherever he wanted and make things happen. Cozens is trapped in a system trying to play center and he just isn't that.

If the team acquiring him is looking for a big body with motor to play wing, he's worth what he's gonna get back but I wouldn't be looking at him as a center.
 

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Reinhart has hockey IQ, Cozens runs off motor and is a winger at the NHL level, not a center.


The problem is center vs wing. He's not a center at the NHL level. When he played for team Canada he played on the wing. When he had that good season in Buffalo they had no system and were a run and gun team. They didn't have to worry about defense so Cozens could skate wherever he wanted and make things happen. Cozens is trapped in a system trying to play center and he just isn't that.

If the team acquiring him is looking for a big body with motor to play wing, he's worth what he's gonna get back but I wouldn't be looking at him as a center.

Yeah that's what I'd be interested in from a Ducks perspective, put him on RW with Carlsson, a spot that has been occupied by Brett Leason since Carlsson returned from injury.
 

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Duck fans have talked about a
Mctavish for cozens swap

Both guys seem like they could use a change of scenery.
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Cozens will def explode once he leaves here, most likely on the wing. Hes a driven guy and cares. I don’t think he has the IQ to be a center in the NHL.

He is not a 2 way player that his nickname makes him seem. He is a play driving guy who is below average in his own zone. Doesn’t really elevate guys around him. Hes always “snakebitten”

That’s my opinion of watching him here, of course that’ll change once he’s traded.
 

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Cozens will def explode once he leaves here. Hes a driven guy and cares. I don’t think he has the IQ to be a center in the NHL.
Why can't he explode for us? Why did Mitts explode for us and play well, but we traded him. Cozens plays badly and we'll wait another five years and wait for him to explode.
 

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Why can't he explode for us? Why did Mitts explode for us and play well, but we traded him. Cozens plays badly and we'll wait another five years and wait for him to explode.
Cozens has been my whipping boy for 2 seasons - it’s more a statement about how things go with this organization
 

Fjordy

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Cozens has been my whipping boy for 2 seasons - it’s more a statement about how things go with this organization
Again, I gave an example of a good player that we just traded for a guy that we didn't really need. Thompson exploded and is playing well. Tuch, some other guys. I think of course Cozens could improve in the future, but right now we have to do something and we have to choose which of the young guys to keep on the roster and which to sell.
 

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Again, I gave an example of a good player that we just traded for a guy that we didn't really need. Thompson exploded and is playing well. Tuch, some other guys. I think of course Cozens could improve in the future, but right now we have to do something and we have to choose which of the young guys to keep on the roster and which to sell.
Who are you arguing with lol
 

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Sam Reinhart peaked at 65 points in Buffalo, and that was the only time he had more than 50 points (albeit he was at 50 when covid shut the world down). Sure Cozens doesn't come close to Eichel but to say Cozens is nothing like what Reinhart was is just silly.

The problem with Buffalo is the losers mentality. The only player on that roster with a cup ring is Aube-Kubel. And the only other guys who have been to the finals are Tuch (went as a rookie) and McLeod (there last year). The Swords need someone who knows what it takes to win and is driven to do it again, or at the very least an energy guy. Maybe it's as simple as someone like Scott Laughton. Or if it's more of a free agent target, someone like Yanni Gourde would be a great target.
It was pretty apparent to those that watched Reinhart night in and night out there was quite a bit more offensive potential for him outside of Buffalo. As others have said his hockey IQ is worlds better than Cozens and he frequently puts himself in the areas that goals are scored which Cozens does not. One fluke season doesn't put Cozens in the same ballpark as Sam Reinhart. I do agree about the losers mentality and we could absolutely use more vets in here that play the game the right way. Gourde would be a savvy pickup, Laughton not so much.
Duck fans have talked about a
Mctavish for cozens swap

Both guys seem like they could use a change of scenery.
As a Sabres fan I'd be a bit underwhelmed by that return and I dont even really care for Cozens all that much.
Idk why people call it a massive mistake trading Eichel and ROR when Eichel requested a trade even before his back injury and ROR used his words and attitude to force his way out.

Cozens is playing his way off team ..
There wasn't much we could do about the Eichel situation (outside of actually building a better team around him), so I don't really blame them for how they handled that debacle. As for O'Reilly I thought that was really handled poorly by the team. The words and attitude aspect was completely overblown. The guy gave an honest answer in a locker room clean out interview after a terrible season and the media dragged him through the mud and the team piled on top. Most of what I saw from him in his time here was overwhelmingly good. He rarely mailed it in and was a great role model for some of the younger guys on the team. Reinhart specifically mentioned him as a guy who taught him how to put the work in to improve his game.
Spitballing… Carlo, Zacha, Frederic for Cozens, Kulich, Clifton/Joker
Buffalo could absolutely use Carlo he'd be a great target. I doubt they are ready to move a guy like Kulich though and certainly not for guys that are more depth type of pieces.
Hes exactly why teams should be weary of giving guys with less than 150 games played long term, big money contracts. Sure he looked like he was on the rise at the time, but his 68 point season is looking like a fluke.
Absolutely, but Buffalo has gotten into the habit of jumping the gun on these types of deals because they've botched these negotiations in the past by using bridge deals to slowplay long-term contracts for players and it's blown up in their faces. Reinhart being the 1st name that comes to mind. I think It's largely out of fear of losing the player as soon as they start to get some element of control over where they can play.
 

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Why can't he explode for us? Why did Mitts explode for us and play well, but we traded him. Cozens plays badly and we'll wait another five years and wait for him to explode.
Mitts never exploded for the Sabres. He went from horrid to good but he was on pace for less than 60 points the day the traded him.

If we had kept him, he’d be another 60 point player making $8 million a year on a long term contract.
 

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Curious what Saber fans think is the issue. Injury? Wing vs Center? Linemates? Coach? Bad Luck? Something else?

Not necessarily a Sabres fan, but I've watched Cozens enough to notice he's just not very creative or puck-skilled. A lot of the time it looks like he's handling a grenade out there instead of a puck. He's got a pretty good shot, if he's got time enough to get it off, but he's not really skilled or quick enough to drive his own line, offensively speaking. In his breakout-season, points wise, he played partly on a run-and-gun youth line with Peterka and Quinn, and also I think on the 1st unit PP with Dahlin and Thompson firing on all cylinders.

Eichel and Reinhart were always known to be very puck-skilled, so I don't see the comparison from that perspective. I'm also not sure Cozens has showed enough defensively to warrant any serious comparisons to O'Reilly.

He can still probably be a useful player on your club, but I'm not seeing superstar potential with this guy.
 
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Fjordy

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Mitts never exploded for the Sabres. He went from horrid to good but he was on pace for less than 60 points the day the traded him.

If we had kept him, he’d be another 60 point player making $8 million a year on a long term contract.
Well that's not true, he was our best center for the last year and a half before this season. He's versatile, a good playmaker, he also wanted to be in Buffalo. There was no mention of 8 million, so you're just making it up. Cozens is not a center at this point and we have a problem with that. Yeah, I'd definitely take a 60-point center right now over Dylan Cozens' 37-point season pace.
 

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Any Eastern teams can just leave because I don't have any interest in giving Cozens to you so you can make some absurd run to win the Cup at our detriment.
 

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Mitts never exploded for the Sabres. He went from horrid to good but he was on pace for less than 60 points the day the traded him.

If we had kept him, he’d be another 60 point player making $8 million a year on a long term contract.
A 60 point CENTER who actually plays defense and wins board battles. It's not all about points. You'd think you'd know that being a Sabres fan
 

Fjordy

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What’s not true? His 59 point pace? Adam’s giving everyone $8 million a year on long term contracts?
Where the hell did you get that 8 million figure? Adams paid Tage and Cozens 7 million. It would probably be close to that and we'd have 2C right now and Cozens would be playing wing.
 

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Some things I don’t understand when people criticize Buff. Trading Eichel….this was a marriage made in hell and that guy didn’t want to be in Buffalo. I don’t even think the neck thing is what did it, he already had requested being traded and it seemed every year the world was waiting for him to ask out. They couldn’t keep him happy and I think it’s great they traded him for both sides, even if Buff should’ve gotten a better deal.

Ror said things you can’t say to make sure he was gone. Nothing you can do there and they got the giraffe out of it which was the best possible outcome of a trade.

Reinhart. Wasn’t he going to be a free agent in the near future and wasn’t it unlikely he was going to stay? Seems the obvious conclusion.

They have good pieces there, something just seems to never click. I think it’s a mistake to have a knee jerk reaction right now and trade Cozens. I’m struggling to believe that’ll be the cure to anything or that he’s actually available. A tear down in general also seems like a horrible idea. They seem mid build as is with good parts in place. Keep trying to add leaders. I liked their summer moves.
 

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Wouldn’t mind giving him a fresh start in Calgary. Andersson seems like the natural price but I think if the flames don’t retain Andersson I’d rather he be moved for a futures package

Tough to find a fit
 
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Wouldn’t mind giving him a fresh start in Calgary. Andersson seems like the natural price but I think if the flames don’t retain Andersson I’d rather he be moved for a futures package

Tough to find a fit
That’s just it, Contending teams don’t really have a spot for Cozens. And rebuilding teams would likely just rather keep their high picks. I’m not sure where he’d be a good fit.
 

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That’s just it, Contending teams don’t really have a spot for Cozens. And rebuilding teams would likely just rather keep their high picks. I’m not sure where he’d be a good fit.

Why would Buffalo want picks?? The only reason it would make sense to move Cozens is if we can make our NHL team better by doing so.
 
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