Post-Game Talk: Ducks 3 - Jets 2

[sipowicz]

The Jets are winning the Stanley Cup for sure this season, i guarantee it. Just wanted a really positive post to even out this post.

Wait the Jets picked up 3 more legit top 6 forwards to go with the 3 they already have, another top 4 D man to go with the one they already have? Maybe then I believe they actually have a chance!

When lines 2-4 are incapable of doing any scoring 5 v 5 you are in deep doo doo, Helly has masked a lot with these pretend contenders!

Watching the last 10-15 games I question if this team even has a will to win!

 

[Adam da bomb]

Here’s hoping Ehlers does something next game.

 

[Jets 31]

Here’s hoping Ehlers does something next game.

The entire team need to be ready to play when the puck drops, need to wake-up in our 1st periods.

 

[WolfHouse]

Here’s hoping Ehlers does something next game.

Like more than setting up a goal on his first game back from injury?

Haha tough crowd

 

[Huffer]

After playing on a stable organization, idk if he'd sign in Buffalo. Personally think the Jets will not be trading any of ehlers or perfetti for cozens. I'm thinking along the long of the Reinhart to Florida trade: 1st+a B/B+ level prospect +Iafallo for cap (who they can later flip at the tdl).

Cozens hasn't been productive this year, and was solid given the team last year. Nothing spectacular, but solid. Some of the prices ppl are theorizing is as if he is still producing at 30g ~70pt clip.

Agreed, that is more like it IMO (Bolding added by me).

Any thought of moving Perfetti for Cozens is extremely short sighted IMO. Cole's strengths as his hockey IQ and his metrics also show he is positive defensively. There's 0 chance I'd move Perfetti for Cozens.

Conzens has had a good season and now isn't even being used at centre on a team starved for centres. Sabres fans over and over comment on his lack of hockey IQ. Part of that can be attributed to a bad team, but at some point each player is also contributing to that being a bad team. If they added him tomorrow it's debatable if he improves the second line over Names. The "hope" is he does, and somehow turns into that 25-30g 70pt centre again, but that's just hope.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Like more than setting up a goal on his first game back from injury?

Haha tough crowd

He is making up for lost time and playing for a contract so yes he also needs to score one.

The team lost because of secondary scoring. The second line aka ehlers’s line needs to step it up.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

The hate for Stan and Heinola is a little much. They have there flaws but the loss is hardly on them. I think Fleury is hitting above his weight and top 4 is too much for him and Pionk is not good enough to carry anyone. That last goal starts with a poor decision from him and its in the net.

 

[sipowicz]

The hate for Stan and Heinola is a little much. They have there flaws but the loss is hardly on them. I think Fleury is hitting above his weight and top 4 is too much for him and Pionk is not good enough to carry anyone. That last goal starts with a poor decision from him and its in the net.

Don't think the 3rd D pairing is the problem and really hasn't been all season, Stanley drawing penalties because of his size is more on reff'ng than him!

Jets problems are currently lines 2-4 that can't score or generate much of anything

 

[SUX2BU]

 

[Flair Hay]

The hate for Stan and Heinola is a little much. They have there flaws but the loss is hardly on them. I think Fleury is hitting above his weight and top 4 is too much for him and Pionk is not good enough to carry anyone. That last goal starts with a poor decision from him and its in the net.

Fleury is hanging in there. All the signs are there that the bottom could fall out though. He has done well for who he is and what he is being asked to do

 

[ps241]

I’m glad we have him as well.
Oilers have Leon who is the 2nd best player in the league, he can drag them in.
Helle sure makes coaches and GMs look good.
( Hypothetical scenario )
Hellebucyk blows his knee out next game, we probably don’t make playoffs even with this early cushion.
Are the other goalies in this organization up to the task?
I didn’t think so.
Helle is league MVP important in that regard the Jets die without him.
Scheifele our second best player cannot carry this team on his shoulders.
Helle or bust.

I look at Morrissey and Schiefele as pretty much similar impact as far as the second tier behind Helle.

 

[Stumbledore]

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The bitching surprises me. Or maybe not, given the types on this board.

We're first in our division, with a NINE point lead over our dreaded nemesis after playing an equal number of games.

We're first in our conference, with more wins than any other team.

We're first over in the entire bleeding league and guys here are still bitching.

Unbelievable.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I look at Morrissey and Schiefele as pretty much similar impact as far as the second tier behind Helle.

I'd say that KC has made just as big of an impact as either of those guys this season.

 

[10Ducky10]

After playing on a stable organization, idk if he'd sign in Buffalo. Personally think the Jets will not be trading any of ehlers or perfetti for cozens. I'm thinking along the long of the Reinhart to Florida trade: 1st+a B/B+ level prospect +Iafallo for cap (who they can later flip at the tdl).

Cozens hasn't been productive this year, and was solid given the team last year. Nothing spectacular, but solid. Some of the prices ppl are theorizing is as if he is still producing at 30g ~70pt clip.

Buffalo doesn't need picks or prospects they need veterans.

 

[Buffdog]

The bitching surprises me. Or maybe not, given the types on this board.

We're first in our division, with a NINE point lead over our dreaded nemesis after playing an equal number of games.

We're first in our conference, with more wins than any other team.

We're first over in the entire bleeding league and guys here are still bitching.

Unbelievable.

It's because they haven't achieved 1st place "the right way"

You see, it's not ok to be elite for a stretch then struggle for a stretch. If you're going to be PROPERLY in 1st place, your pace has to be consistent. In other words, all stretches of games have to maintain the proper .691 points percentage

I've said it 1,000,000 times. Some people won't be happy unless they aren't happy. The saddest part is that these people are spouses, parents, etc... imagine living with someone who isn't happy with anything you do because it's never good enough

More than a few of us were raised by people like that

 

[Huffer]

It's because they haven't achieved 1st place "the right way"

You see, it's not ok to be elite for a stretch then struggle for a stretch. If you're going to be PROPERLY in 1st place, your pace has to be consistent. In other words, all stretches of games have to maintain the proper .691 points percentage

I've said it 1,000,000 times. Some people won't be happy unless they aren't happy. The saddest part is that these people are spouses, parents, etc... imagine living with someone who isn't happy with anything you do because it's never good enough

More than a few of us were raised by people like that

That's true. There are people that are critical even though the team is doing really well overall.

IMO, at least with some conversations I can see that (most of the time) the point is that there could be some underlying issues that could be unsustainable, and it could be about how to potentially resolve them so the team can be the type of team to go on a playoff run. Not everyone is being constructive, but some are IMO. Personally I think those conversations are good if the idea is to talk about where the team could improve. Like the recent conversation about if there are reasons affecting breakouts, or are there things that could be improved to improve the Jets 5v5 numbers, etc. Because I think we all want to see the Jets go on a playoff run and improving those things will likely help.

Conversely, there are posters here that never offer anything constructive at all, and just constantly pose negative comments about everything and no one ever complains about them (most likely because complaining about posters is against the rules and really doesn't solve anything and is a waste of time. Better to just ignore).

 

[DRW204]

Stanley may be hurt

 

[Optimistic Cynic]

Stanley may be hurt

His feelings? Have we been too critical?

 

[WolfHouse]

He is making up for lost time and playing for a contract so yes he also needs to score one.

The team lost because of secondary scoring. The second line aka ehlers’s line needs to step it up.

The team lost because they played like shit - Anaheim dominated fancy stats from minute one to the end... 100% the team went out and partied with their moms haha. That's the only thing the models are missing in this one...

I suspect they will have a strong game against the Wild - if they don't, Im reaching for the panic button and trading our 1st, Perfetti,Heinola and Iafallo to Calgary for Andersson

Stanley may be hurt

The medical staff were analyzing his skating after the shot block

'He's having a hard time accelerating and cutting off the gap. It seems he cannot crossover properly or skate backwards. He over extends when reaching with his stick leaving himself out of position to respond if a player gains ground on him.'

Arniel 'So you're saying he's 100% - great'

 

[DRW204]

His feelings? Have we been too critical?

 

[Jets 31]

That's true. There are people that are critical even though the team is doing really well overall.

IMO, at least with some conversations I can see that (most of the time) the point is that there could be some underlying issues that could be unsustainable, and it could be about how to potentially resolve them so the team can be the type of team to go on a playoff run. Not everyone is being constructive, but some are IMO. Personally I think those conversations are good if the idea is to talk about where the team could improve. Like the recent conversation about if there are reasons affecting breakouts, or are there things that could be improved to improve the Jets 5v5 numbers, etc. Because I think we all want to see the Jets go on a playoff run and improving those things will likely help.

Conversely, there are posters here that never offer anything constructive at all, and just constantly pose negative comments about everything and no one ever complains about them (most likely because complaining about posters is against the rules and really doesn't solve anything and is a waste of time. Better to just ignore).

@sipowicz gets a pass because of Senority and it's out of pure love.

 

[Buffdog]

That's true. There are people that are critical even though the team is doing really well overall.

IMO, at least with some conversations I can see that (most of the time) the point is that there could be some underlying issues that could be unsustainable, and it could be about how to potentially resolve them so the team can be the type of team to go on a playoff run. Not everyone is being constructive, but some are IMO. Personally I think those conversations are good if the idea is to talk about where the team could improve. Like the recent conversation about if there are reasons affecting breakouts, or are there things that could be improved to improve the Jets 5v5 numbers, etc. Because I think we all want to see the Jets go on a playoff run and improving those things will likely help.

Conversely, there are posters here that never offer anything constructive at all, and just constantly pose negative comments about everything and no one ever complains about them (most likely because complaining about posters is against the rules and really doesn't solve anything and is a waste of time. Better to just ignore).

Agreed

What i don't understand about posters who just wait for something bad to happen before jumping in to say "see, it's told you so... the Jets really DO suck" is that there isn't a team in the league that doesn't have their weaknesses

That's the beauty of the Cap Era. The parity means that any team has the chance to win as long as the stars align. To assume that one team (especially one at a disadvantage like the Jets) SHOULD be built to somehow be better than all the other teams is nonsense

There is a TON of stuff to be positive about so far this season. But negvative people will, by definition, only find negative things to focus on. You've seen some of them in here the past few days accusing those of us who aren't on the ledge of "pretending everything is fine", which isn't true. We all acknowledge the challenges the team faces but choose instead to focus on the positives.

 

[gojetsgo]

heinola better show he belongs

 

[Buffdog]

@sipowicz gets a pass because of Senority and it's out of pure love.

Somehow he manages to make his cantankerousness endearing lol

 

[WolfHouse]

Don't think the 3rd D pairing is the problem and really hasn't been all season, Stanley drawing penalties because of his size is more on reff'ng than him!

Jets problems are currently lines 2-4 that can't score or generate much of anything

Hahahahaaa holy fk

Names on pace for his most points since he was 25...
Ehlers on pace for 60 pts as always
Lowry on pace for a career high points - BY 13 POINTS
AHL Apples on pace for a career high
Perfetti on pace for career high - BY 12 POINTS

If there's one criticism its the usage of the fourth line - they are all underperforming... the only thing that changed with Barron and Iafallo is that Kupari is their main center this year