Rumor: Dubas has told other teams "everyone is available, except 87."”

[Dog]

I be really shocked if Malkin, Karlsson, and Letang get traded. Karlsson they would have to cut part of his salary and even then teams might not be interested. So what he probably should of said was not the core of players but secondary scoring and possibly certain defenseman. Which means Rakell probably on top of list to trade first!

 

[Turin]

Why the f*** is blowing up the entire team on the table before firing the coach? HES BEEN THERE 10 SEASONS

 

[TLEH]

It's because it's a bunch of Leafs fans with a massive bitter ex syndrome.

Seems like it. Also a lot of people just don't like Dubas based on what he represents to them.

 

[VeteranPresence]

It's because it's a bunch of Leafs fans with a massive bitter ex syndrome.

He's also just maybe a bad GM? Maybe?

 

[Empoleon8771]

He's also just maybe a bad GM? Maybe?

Both can be true that Dubas has done a bad job with the Penguins while Leafs fans are also massive bitter exes about him.

Dubas is one of 3 GMs responsible for why the Penguins roster today sucks. Sullivan is the reason why the roster is performing even worse than it is on paper. It's not a simple "it's all Dubas' fault!" situation.

 

[SomeDude]

If you think it's Dubas' moves that has caused the cratering of the Penguins, you haven't been paying attention to them.

And I'm someone who thinks Dubas has done a bad job with the Penguins.

Because of Dubas, this team is anchored to Jarry, Graves, EK, and Bunting.

Dubas walked into a bad situation and made it worse. He tried to re-tool but failed because he’s a crappy GM. He’s going to fail at the rebuild too, and the rebuild after that. By then, someone at FSG might realize he’s not so smart and we can finally move on.

 

[Dog]

Because of Dubas, this team is anchored to Jarry, Graves, EK, and Bunting.

Dubas walked into a bad situation and made it worse. He tried to re-tool but failed because he’s a crappy GM. He’s going to fail at the rebuild too, and the rebuild after that. By then, someone at FSG might realize he’s not so smart and we can finally move on.

Paying for Karlsson was probably his worst decision. I can't remember was he also responsible for Rakell as well?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Because of Dubas, this team is anchored to Jarry, Graves, EK, and Bunting.

Dubas walked into a bad situation and made it worse. He tried to re-tool but failed because he’s a crappy GM. He’s going to fail at the rebuild too, and the rebuild after that. By then, someone at FSG might realize he’s not so smart and we can finally move on.

And as bad as those are, those alone aren't the reasons why this team is bad.

Like I just posted, there are 3 GMs and a coach who all share the blame for why this team is bad. They have no young players due to JR trading futures like candy. Hextall traded multiple prime aged players that would be a significant help on the team today for either nothing or worse players. Dubas has whiffed on almost all of his notable deals. Sullivan is Sullivan.

 

[Gurglesons]

And as bad as those are, those alone aren't the reasons why this team is bad.

Like I just posted, there are 3 GMs and a coach who all share the blame for why this team is bad. They have no young players due to JR trading futures like candy. Hextall traded multiple prime aged players that would be a significant help on the team today for either nothing or worse players. Dubas has whiffed on almost all of his notable deals. Sullivan is Sullivan.

It's weird how other teams are able to self correct when they have a bad GM, but the Penguins need to blame everything besides Dubas.

This is Dubas' ship now. He was a terrible GM in Toronto. He has been a terrible GM in Pittsburgh.

This mess is on his hands and has largely been excaberated by his ineffective management, poor player evaluation and just general dumbassness.

 

[SomeDude]

Paying for Karlsson was probably his worst decision.

worst decision…so far

We also have to wait and see how the Yager v Rutger trade ends up.

 

[Empoleon8771]

It's weird how other teams are able to self correct when they have a bad GM, but the Penguins need to blame everything besides Dubas.

This is Dubas' ship now. He was a terrible GM in Toronto. He has been a terrible GM in Pittsburgh.

This mess is on his hands and has largely been excaberated by his ineffective management, poor player evaluation and just general dumbassness.

Dubas has been the GM for 2 off-seasons. Expecting him to magically fix all of the issues Hextall and JR left the team with in 2 off-seasons is just moronic. The Penguins situation was having a bad GM for 8 years before Dubas took over.

Dubas can't go back in time and make JR keep his draft picks and actually draft well. He can't go back in time and prevent Hextall from giving up McCann, Matheson and Marino for nothing of value. He has done a bad job at remedying the issues and has been an extension of those bad GMing years, but washing away the failures of JR and Hextall because "Dubas has been the GM for 18 months" is idiotic.

People bring up the Capitals as an example of an effective retool, but that retool has been like 5 years in the making. The Capitals are getting significant contributions from McMichael (2019 1st), Protas (2019 3rd), Fehervary (2018 3rd), Lapierre (2020 1st) and Sandin (traded for with a 1st). The Penguins youngest player is Puustinen, who's like 26 already. Dubas hasn't been here long enough to remedy that issue because of how awful the situation he inherited was.

 

[Sideline]

Wut. That deal is untradeable.

Lol. Retaining down to 5MM a 34 year old defenseman with 2.5 years left and 1.5 years removed from winning a Norris trophy is definitely "movable."

 

[Gurglesons]

Dubas has been the GM for 2 off-seasons. Expecting him to magically fix all of the issues Hextall and JR left the team with in 2 off-seasons is just moronic. The Penguins situation was having a bad GM for 8 years before Dubas took over.

Dubas can't go back in time and make JR keep his draft picks and actually draft well. He can't go back in time and prevent Hextall from giving up McCann, Matheson and Marino for nothing of value. He has done a bad job at remedying the issues and has been an extension of those bad GMing years, but washing away the failures of JR and Hextall because "Dubas has been the GM for 18 months" is idiotic.

Nobody is expecting him to fix the issues.

I was expecting him to not put the Penguins in even further puragtory for a couple 2nds and 3rds.

There is literally 2 or 3 attractive pieces on the Penguins team. A few years ago when he took over he would have been able to move out Petry, Granlund and others for picks and prospects this deadline.

 

[tantalum]

Why the f*** is blowing up the entire team on the table before firing the coach? HES BEEN THERE 10 SEASONS

This is a case where both things need to happen. Not sure it matters which one occurs first.

 

[The90]

How many players of any value doesn't have NMC/NTC?

I mean why wouldn’t most of them want a better situation?

 

[SomeDude]

Dubas has been the GM for 2 off-seasons. Expecting him to magically fix all of the issues Hextall and JR left the team with in 2 off-seasons is just moronic. The Penguins situation was having a bad GM for 8 years before Dubas took over.

Dubas can't go back in time and make JR keep his draft picks and actually draft well. He can't go back in time and prevent Hextall from giving up McCann, Matheson and Marino for nothing of value. He has done a bad job at remedying the issues and has been an extension of those bad GMing years, but washing away the failures of JR and Hextall because "Dubas has been the GM for 18 months" is idiotic.

It is an odd approach to stop the bleeding by shooting yourself in the other foot.

Dubas doesn’t get a free pass on his blunders just because the team had no futures when he took over. He’s the one that looked at this roster and thought Erik Karlsson would actually add anything of value or that handing out long term deals to mediocre players would somehow be a good idea.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Nobody is expecting him to fix the issues.

I was expecting him to not put the Penguins in even further puragtory for a couple 2nds and 3rds.

There is literally 2 or 3 attractive pieces on the Penguins team. A few years ago when he took over he would have been able to move out Petry, Granlund and others for picks and prospects this deadline.

Or maybe Ron Hextall could have not made those atrocious deals that the Penguins would have to sit on until they were pending UFAs to get out of their deals? Crazy thought.

People bring up the Karlsson deal as a massive failure by Dubas, and I firmly agree at this point. However, that deal never happens if Hextall doesn't do the Marino and Matheson deals the previous season. They're never in a position to need to trade for Karlsson in the first place if they still had Pettersson-Letang and Matheson-Marino as their top-4.

It is an odd approach to stop the bleeding by shooting yourself in the other foot.

Dubas doesn’t get a free pass on his blunders just because the team had no futures when he took over. He’s the one that looked at this roster and thought Erik Karlsson would actually add anything of value or that handing out long term deals to mediocre players would somehow be a good idea.

I am literally not giving Dubas a free pass.

 

[Turin]

This is a case where both things need to happen. Not sure it matters which one occurs first.

The coach obviously needs to happen first because there might be something to be salvaged on the roster.

 

[Stephen]

Having someone who can actually articulate in compound sentences just blows the minds of NHL owners since the majority of hockey ops people are there purely due to nepotism and are idiots.

It’s going to take at least 8 years before anyone with any say finally starts to think, “maybe this guy isn’t as smart as we thought he was.”

What’s funny about Dubas is he’s spent his career surrounding himself with the same loyal faces, hiring Keefe multiple times in multiple leagues, bringing Spezza everywhere he goes, Wes Clark in scouting, acquiring Soo players for the Leafs year after year. For a young guy young in his career he does seem to have his own old boys network firmly entrenched.

 

[Vitto79]

Malkin and Letang won’t go if Crosby has any say let’s be real

 

[Gurglesons]

Or maybe Ron Hextall could have not made those atrocious deals that the Penguins would have to sit on until they were pending UFAs to get out of their deals? Crazy thought.

People bring up the Karlsson deal as a massive failure by Dubas, and I firmly agree at this point. However, that deal never happens if Hextall doesn't do the Marino and Matheson deals the previous season. They're never in a position to need to trade for Karlsson in the first place if they still had Pettersson-Letang and Matheson-Marino as their top-4.

Matheson is complete trash.

It's so weird how Penguins fans blame Ron Hextall for everything.

Once again, this team is on Dubas. Dubas didn't need to burn every asset to acquire EK65.

The Penguins could've easily made different moves to address their defense than signing Graves to a regrettable deal the moment his pen hit paper and trading top picks for EK65.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Karlsson I can see.

Karlsson retained 50% and the pens taking a contract back might have a team being able to fit him further down the pairings and insulate him

Letang and Malkin I can't.

 

[SomeDude]

I am literally not giving Dubas a free pass.

Brushing it off as Dubas only has been here 2 years is giving him a free pass. Hextall was here less than that and he’s satan to most Pens fans. They both did terrible jobs but Dubas gets a pass for…reasons.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Matheson is complete trash.

It's so weird how Penguins fans blame Ron Hextall for everything.

Once again, this team is on Dubas. Dubas didn't need to burn every asset to acquire EK65.

The Penguins could've easily made different moves to address their defense than signing Graves to a regrettable deal the moment his pen hit paper and trading top picks for EK65.

It's almost like he was a horrible GM for the Penguins that gave away numerous prime aged players for nothing and left the team in a far worse position than he inherited it.

The Graves and Karlsson deals both ended up horrible mistakes by Dubas, without a doubt. That doesn't change that Hextall butchered what was an effective defense in the name of getting more physical the year before, which prompted Dubas to have to fix the defense after Hextall killed it. Which, again, is why this team's roster issues are far deeper than "it's just the current GM's fault".

The team has no prospect pool because of JR, has no good prime-aged players because of Hextall and has a bunch of bad contracts on the NHL team because of Dubas. All 3 of them share responsibility for this mess.

Brushing it off as Dubas only has been here 2 years is giving him a free pass. Hextall was here less than that and he’s satan to most Pens fans. They both did terrible jobs but Dubas gets a pass for…reasons.

I am literally not giving Dubas a pass. Actually read my posts, I have said multiple times that Dubas has done a bad job with the Penguins and is one of 3 GMs responsible for the current mess.

 

[Gurglesons]

It's almost like he was a horrible GM for the Penguins that gave away numerous prime aged players for nothing and left the team in a far worse position than he inherited it.

The Graves and Karlsson deals both ended up horrible mistakes by Dubas, without a doubt. That doesn't change that Hextall butchered what was an effective defense in the name of getting more physical the year before, which prompted Dubas to have to fix the defense after Hextall killed it. Which, again, is why this team's roster issues are far deeper than "it's just the current GM's fault".

Marino got traded again within two years for a simlar return to what Hextall got him for and Matheson is a pariah in Montreal for his defensive abilities.

Neither of those players are providing any different outcomes in PIT.

Matheson trade also looks fine if Dubas retains Poehling.