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NHL Draft lottery race - Bruins currently have 4th Pick

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ODAAT said:
Paging @DominicT for his response to the pace of play ability. I didn`t see that at the WJHC`s but..
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I watched Matthew Tkachuk in his draft year with the London Knights and I can say there are similarities between Martone and Tkachuk.

There stat lines in the regular season;

Tkachuk- 57GP- 30G- 77A
Martone- 57GP- 37G- 61A

The issue I have with Martone isn't anything that is being said here, it's that I question his ability to keep it up for a full season.

I've said it here before, but on Jan 1 he trailed Misa by 8 points and having played 6 fewer games. By the end of the season he trailed Misa by 36 points in 8 fewer games.

In his first 26 games Martone had 21 goals and 33 assists.

In his final 31 games he had 11 goals and 28 assists.

To me he was clearly warn out, but I said at the end of the season I would wait until his playoffs are over to pass judgement.

Right now, he is just above his production from the second half of the season and well below his production from the first half.
 
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DominicT said:
I watched Matthew Tkachuk in his draft year with the London Knights and I can say there are similarities between Martone and Tkachuk.

There stat lines in the regular season;

Tkachuk- 57GP- 30G- 77A
Martone- 57GP- 37G- 61A

The issue I have with Martone isn't anything that is being said here, it's that I question his ability to keep it up for a full season.

I've said it here before, but on Jan 1 he trailed Misa by 8 points and having played 6 fewer games. By the end of the season he trailed Misa by 36 points in 8 fewer games.

In his first 26 games Martone had 21 goals and 33 assists.

In his final 31 games he had 11 goals and 28 assists.

To me he was clearly warn out, but I said at the end of the season I would wait until his playoffs are over to pass judgement.

Right now, he is just above his production from the second half of the season and well below his production from the first half.
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Is that a fitness thing, in which case if he puts the work in and his body matures he should increase his endurance over time, or is there something in his style of play that tends towards him being a bit of a boom/bust player?
 
DominicT said:
I watched Matthew Tkachuk in his draft year with the London Knights and I can say there are similarities between Martone and Tkachuk.

There stat lines in the regular season;

Tkachuk- 57GP- 30G- 77A
Martone- 57GP- 37G- 61A

The issue I have with Martone isn't anything that is being said here, it's that I question his ability to keep it up for a full season.

I've said it here before, but on Jan 1 he trailed Misa by 8 points and having played 6 fewer games. By the end of the season he trailed Misa by 36 points in 8 fewer games.

In his first 26 games Martone had 21 goals and 33 assists.

In his final 31 games he had 11 goals and 28 assists.

To me he was clearly warn out, but I said at the end of the season I would wait until his playoffs are over to pass judgement.

Right now, he is just above his production from the second half of the season and well below his production from the first half.
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as always, thanks Dom, I knew you had watched him far more than I have which was only at the WJHC`s
 
Aussie Bruin said:
Is that a fitness thing, in which case if he puts the work in and his body matures he should increase his endurance over time, or is there something in his style of play that tends towards him being a bit of a boom/bust player?
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It's the way he plays the game. It's all out, give it 100 percent every shift. At some point you wear down. Tkachuk use to pick his spots and he knew how to conserve energy. Tkachuk became over a 2 point per game player in the playoffs because he had something left in the tank.

Now, some of it could be a fitness thing for sure. I'm not sure I want to gamble with it. Again, I will wait until the playoffs are over.

This is why I always wait until after the playoffs to release my rankings. I want the full story.
 
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DominicT said:
I watched Matthew Tkachuk in his draft year with the London Knights and I can say there are similarities between Martone and Tkachuk.

There stat lines in the regular season;

Tkachuk- 57GP- 30G- 77A
Martone- 57GP- 37G- 61A

The issue I have with Martone isn't anything that is being said here, it's that I question his ability to keep it up for a full season.

I've said it here before, but on Jan 1 he trailed Misa by 8 points and having played 6 fewer games. By the end of the season he trailed Misa by 36 points in 8 fewer games.

In his first 26 games Martone had 21 goals and 33 assists.

In his final 31 games he had 11 goals and 28 assists.

To me he was clearly warn out, but I said at the end of the season I would wait until his playoffs are over to pass judgement.

Right now, he is just above his production from the second half of the season and well below his production from the first half.
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Good insights!

I think he might be pretty good but he’ll have to learn how to be productive while also not going all out. You mentioned tkachuk but marchand fits the bill too. Once he cut out all (most) of his antics he took an adjustment to figure out how to be the same kind of impactful offensive player when not being a pest.

Martone has to figure out how to maintain production giving 95% instead of 100 all the time and then burning out
 
DaBroons said:
Everyone is twisting what I said. I said he was a generational plus player. What more do you want? As Dan said, he never scored 35 G nor 80 pts, so he wasn't a true #1 center. Neither was Krejci most of his career, but TOGETHER they gave the team two exceptional centers. The team wasn't nearly as good after Krejci left, but when he came back, they had the greatest regular season ever.
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Far enough. I’m not having a go at you slagging of Bergie. I know you’re not doing that.

My issue is with your #1C definition. I don’t agree with it at all.

Regardless, even if we go with your view of a #1C ———-Bergeron was, to be fair, the #1C on the so called “perfection line” (God, I hated that name. Ugh.). And everyone in the league was using that f***ing nickname. The point being that every NHL fan would call that a top line on most if not all teams in the League. And they’d call Bergeron a #1C on that awesome line as well.
 
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KnightofBoston said:
If the bruins pick Schaefer, Lorhei is 100% going as Schaefer is a L d and Lorhei would hold the most value in a trade for a center


33 points last I checked, 6 5 and can skate and move picks like the wind. Yea. A team will take him.

Dark horse though is they get first overall and trade it outright in a blockbuster at the draft for a center right away
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Oh I’m not concerned about someone taking him, I am concerned about how they are adding a 1C and a 1W over the next couple years if they aren’t getting one of those in the draft this season. Does Lorhei + Poitras + 1st get you there? What does? And does that cost still make choosing Schaefer worth it? And who is at 2 or 3 and what would they pay to flip picks with you?

Too many variables to have a deep conversation now. But I don’t think you take Schaefer without having an immediate plan to add one of those two missing first line forwards (or a guy with the serious potential to be that).
 
DominicT said:
It's the way he plays the game. It's all out, give it 100 percent every shift. At some point you wear down. Tkachuk use to pick his spots and he knew how to conserve energy. Tkachuk became over a 2 point per game player in the playoffs because he had something left in the tank.

Now, some of it could be a fitness thing for sure. I'm not sure I want to gamble with it. Again, I will wait until the playoffs are over.

This is why I always wait until after the playoffs to release my rankings. I want the full story.
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Thank Christ you post here Dom. I could eat this stuff up all day. Thanks Dom.
 
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wintersej said:
Oh I’m not concerned about someone taking him, I am concerned about how they are adding a 1C and a 1W over the next couple years if they aren’t getting one of those in the draft this season. Does Lorhei + Poitras + 1st get you there? What does? And does that cost still make choosing Schaefer worth it? And who is at 2 or 3 and what would they pay to flip picks with you?

Too many variables to have a deep conversation now. But I don’t think you take Schaefer without having an immediate plan to add one of those two missing first line forwards (or a guy with the serious potential to be that).
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The good news is they will have 7 weeks between the draft lottery and the draft to decide what they want to do.
 
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DaBroons said:
Again, not taking what I said in total. They were 1.5 centers b/c they didn't score 35 G or 80 Pts, but Krejci led the playoffs in scoring twice (2011 and 2013). Both were great players, but not TRUE #1 centers, who have to put up 80 points.

This year there are 19 centers who have about a point a game. Not every team has one.
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Maybe but they aren't really number two centers either. Krejci's point totals were lower because of the lack of that winger. When he had Horton we went to the final and won.
You also have to consider the Bruins played a more defensive style and thus scoring totals were lower as defensive stats were good. The differential was the key.
I remember when Buffalo had Ryan O'Reilly they said he was a number two center but leading in St. Louis he looked pretty much like a number one didn't he? Bergeron in his prime was exactly the same. Better even.

You give me a Bergeron and a Krejci in their prime right now and I'd leave you to talk about how we lack a true number one center because I will be busy watching them win and win again.
 
DaBroons said:
Again, not taking what I said in total. They were 1.5 centers b/c they didn't score 35 G or 80 Pts, but Krejci led the playoffs in scoring twice (2011 and 2013). Both were great players, but not TRUE #1 centers, who have to put up 80 points.

This year there are 19 centers who have about a point a game. Not every team has one.
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Scoring levels were a bit different then.
 
Under the completely arbitrary and specious 80 point barrier, and being generous to those Cs who missed a chunk of games (projecting the last few games):

A 1C this year:

Dylan Strome
Matt Duchene
John Tavares



Not a 1C:

Anze Kopitar
Nico Hischier
Dylan Larkin
Connor Bedard
Macklin Celebrini
Sebastian Aho
Tim Stutzle

This threshold has it as 11 1Cs nominally, plus a few like Matthews, Tage, Hughes and Barkov who ostensibly would get there were they to play a full season.

Does this seem like the right way to do it?
 
Thinking this dead cat bounce is over for the Flyers. Pretty lifeless period from them.

Quick made a good stop on Konecny, but that's really all the flyers had.
 
MarchysNoseKnows said:
Under the completely arbitrary and specious 80 point barrier, and being generous to those Cs who missed a chunk of games (projecting the last few games):

A 1C this year:

Dylan Strome
Matt Duchene
John Tavares



Not a 1C:

Anze Kopitar
Nico Hischier
Dylan Larkin
Connor Bedard
Macklin Celebrini
Sebastian Aho
Tim Stutzle

This threshold has it as 11 1Cs nominally, plus a few like Matthews, Tage, Hughes and Barkov who ostensibly would get there were they to play a full season.

Does this seem like the right way to do it?
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To be fair I think one time in a career would have qualified under the ops definitions.

OTOH it’s hard to imagine that goalpost would not have been altered if Bergy got one more point in 18/19.

I agree that this is an arbitrary set of criteria and that if we applied it over a 20 year period we would see many other great Centers overlooked who are unquestionably 1C.
 
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wintersej said:
Oh I’m not concerned about someone taking him, I am concerned about how they are adding a 1C and a 1W over the next couple years if they aren’t getting one of those in the draft this season. Does Lorhei + Poitras + 1st get you there? What does? And does that cost still make choosing Schaefer worth it? And who is at 2 or 3 and what would they pay to flip picks with you?

Too many variables to have a deep conversation now. But I don’t think you take Schaefer without having an immediate plan to add one of those two missing first line forwards (or a guy with the serious potential to be that).
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Yea figuring out who we could get for who is not something I have the capacity to comb through these days, I want the best forward available and hopefully that’s a center

That said if the bruins win the lottery and the sharks really want Schaefer, getting a young prospect from them for the second pick and then taking Misa or whoever seems to be the consensus 2 at the time is something I can wrap my head around

I’m certain the sharks wouldn’t give up a pick considering they have a high probability of getting McKenna next year but i wonder if they have any players of interest in their farm system that is log jammed there but would be welcomed here and has potential
 
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